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A HERITAGE WALK IN ASCOT VALE, ( VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.)& two Bruce families.

Journal by itellya

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on 2013-01-30 03:51:23

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-01-30 21:51:43

by itellya on 2013-01-31 02:17:11

JOHN VANS AGNEW BRUCE. There are numerous reports of the disruptive tactics adopted by the Irish workers employed on the construction of the Melbourne-Mt Alexander and Murray River Railway, especially near Sunbury. If these Irish workers, for whom Keilor's historic St Augustine's R.C. church was started, reacted to Bruce's penny-pinching tactics with a word meaning "born out of wedlock", they were spot-on.

THE PEERAGE, PERSON PAGE 13280.
John Vans Agnew Bruce1
M, #132793
Last Edited=2 Nov 2004
John Vans Agnew Bruce was born illegitimately.1 He is the son of John Vans Agnew of Barnbarroch and Sheuchan and Catherine Robertson.1
He was given the name of John Vans at birth.1 He emigrated to Australia and had issue.1
Citations

[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 263. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.

WAS JOHN VANS AGNEW RELATED TO STANLEY MELBOURNE BRUCE,THE PRIME MINISTER?
It was claimed on page 45 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA by Colin McLear,in discussing Maria Stenniken working as a servant at the Brucehouse on the Survey,that:
"Bruces of Paterson, Lang and Bruce, the well known merchants of Flinders Lane, Melbourne, had a house on the Survey just to the south of what is known as Ellerina Road*, the boundary between the Shires of Flinders and Mornington.--(Maria)---.The Bruce family was that to which Lord Stanley Melbourne Bruce, one time Prime minister of Australia belonged." Somewhere else in the book, the Clarke and Bruce index entries giving no clue as to where,Colin stated that the Brokil Estate was a wedding gift to Bruce, his son-in-law, whereas Charles Hollinshed in LIME LAND LEISURE said that it was sold at a decent profit.

Stanley Melbourne Bruce was the son of John Munro Bruce, a Scot born in Ireland.It was John Munro Bruce who was the RESIDENT partner of the firm mentioned above and it was John Vans Agnew Bruce who sought a lessee for his Brokil Estate in 1874, so both of the peninsula histories have put their money on the wrong John Bruce.

I have so far failed to find any BRUCE-CLARKE marital link although the Clarke-Bruce family could provide a clue. I suspect that the relationship between John Vans Agnew Bruce and John Munro Bruce would be back as many generations as that of Convict Henry Gomm (transported to Hobart 1836, buried at St Kilda) and Henry Gomm of Somerville. Possibly their ancestors were both sons of Robert the Bruce! It is highly unlikely that the prime minister's family had anything to do with the Brokil Estate.

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