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Just in case you're ever talking to a Scot and to save some embarrassment AYRSHIRE is pronounced ALESHIRE.

The reason being the name Ayrshire came from the 12th century A.D. when the Scottish alphabet did not include the letter 'L'. For this reason the spelling had to be changed in order for it make sense in a written context. However the oral traditions have remained from the Gramian region of Scotland and confirm the correct pronunciation is actually 'Aleshire'. It was believed at this early stage in the language that the 'yr' between the 'A' and the 'Shire' was the best way in which to navigate this problem and hence this is the reason for the spelling today.

I doubt a Scot or anyone else could say Mamungkukumpurangkuntjunya Hill which is in South Australia, not an 'L' to be found till we get to the Hill.
Mamungkukumpurangkuntjunya is pitjantjatjara (pronounced pitjanjara) for 'where the devil urinates'

Then again, I guess the kiwi's didn't have any 'Ls' either. I'd like to hear from anyone that can pronounce this uninhabited hill in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand, Taumata?whakatangihanga?koauau?o?tamatea?turi?pukakapiki?maunga?horo?nuku?pokai?whenua?kitanatahu
Which translates to;-The summit where Tamatea, the man with the big knees, the climber of mountains, the land-swallower who travelled about, played his nose flute to his loved one.

I won't mention the Welsh.

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on 2011-04-03 00:04:59

janilye - 7th generation, Convict stock. Born in New South Wales now living in Victoria, carrying, with pride 'The Birthstain'.

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by janilye on 2011-04-03 00:18:16

I don't know if I could resist big knees and a nose flute

by andrewsm on 2011-04-03 16:24:05

did you say airsheeeeer to a Scot Jani

by janilye on 2011-04-04 06:05:16

Indeed I did several years ago at a visiting Scottish lecturer. He let fly at me with invective in a very broad Scottish accent of which only two words I managed to understand "ignorant Australian" I retaliated, of course, with "You can't intimidate me, even if you lose the trousers and paint your face blue" I then noticed his face was in fact turning blue and made a hasty exit.

by ngairedith on 2011-04-04 09:56:02

Hi janilye,

the Maori alphabet is - A E H I K M N Ng O P R T U W Wh
The place name above has gained a measure of fame as it is the longest place-name found in any English-speaking country and it is the second longest place-name in the world

The name is often shortened to Taumata by the locals for ease of conversation

AND NOW, because you asked :) ...

here is someone pronouncing the word Taumata - turn your speakers up ...

by janilye on 2011-04-04 23:54:34

Very good ng. Shame nobody will ever hear me pronounce Mamungkukumpurangkuntjunya

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