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any one have any info on thomas hall b. 1849 ireland? married eliza matthias in aust 1872.

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thomas hall is my gggrandfather. he was born in ireland/eng in 1849 to thomas hall n matilda batsford, He migrated to aust? and married eliza matthias at goulburn nsw aust in 1872. they has several children incl my ggrandfather Patrick francis hall. B. goulburn d. Nyngan 1849 nsw aust. thomas hall died in 1888 in qld. I cant find any death for eliza matthias/hall or any of her children. Did she return to eng or ireland with the children? My ggrandfather came to Nyngan when he was just 14 with an uncle n stayed n never return home or mentioned much about his family. I belive he had no contact with them after he left. What happened to his uncle dont know that either. does anyone have any info at all. it would be a great help. thanks in advance

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on 2011-11-01 05:41:58

mikatipalialgr7 has been a Family Tree Circles member since Oct 2011. is researching the following names: CARRICK, HALL, LEAHY and 13 other(s).

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by asheppard on 2011-11-08 20:12:54

Marriage for Thomas Hall and Matilda Batsford

Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
BATSFORD Matilda Lambeth 4 275
HALL Thomas Lambeth 4 275

information from www.freebmd.org.uk

Possible birth for Thomas

Births Dec 1849 (>99%)
HALL Thomas Lambeth 4 255

Do you have any further details on ELiza Matthias, her fathers name from her marriage certificate.

by mikatipalialgr7 on 2011-11-09 03:38:25

eliza matthias parents were thomas d matthias and margaret jones

thanks heaps

kate

by asheppard on 2011-11-10 22:02:16

Hi Kate

There are a few family trees on Ancestry that have different mothers for Patrick Francis Hall

1 - Elizabeth M. Keely on NSW BMD she married John Hall 1855 Sydney so it's not her but she could be the Aunt?

2 - Eileen Elizabeth Walker I can't find marriage but Eileen is the mothers name on Patricks death certificate - but the information is only what the informant is aware of.

Do you have a copy of Thomas Halls death certificate 1888? it may give you further details regarding his length of time in colony, children, if he is widowed or married. It's possible that Eliza may have died prior to Thomas going to QLD.

You can search the NSW BDM at
www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm

and also the QLD BDM at www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch

both are very worthwhile digging around in, you never know what you might find.

Do you know the name of the uncle that Patrick went to stay with in Nyngan?

I have also found two couples for Thomas & Margaret Matthias

1 - Thomas Davies Matthias married Margaret Davies Sept 1848 Newcastle Emlyn Pembrokeshire - Baptist Minister

2 - Thomas Matthias married Margaret Jones Dec 1850 Wrexham Flintshire - Cola Miner (Collier)

both couples had Eliza/Elizabeth b 1849 one in Wrexham Flintshire and one in Newcastle Emlyn Pembrokeshire.

Do you have Thomas Matthias occupation from Eliza's marriage certificate to narrow the search.

happy hunting

by mikatipalialgr7 on 2011-11-16 04:09:22

thank you

by janilye on 2011-11-16 17:49:49

according to nsw.bdm Thomas Hall and Eliza MATTHIAS were married in Sydney in 1872.
nsw.bdm
MARRIAGE 765/1872 HALL THOMAS MATTHIAS ELIZA SYDNEY

children born in Goulburn to a Thomas and Eliza HALL were:-
10101/1872 HALL ELLEN CATHERINE THOMAS ELIZA GOULBURN
10726/1874 HALL MARY ANN THOMAS #MARY ELIZA GOULBURN
12039/1877 HALL ELIZABETH THOMAS ELIZA GOULBURN
10101/1872 HALL ELLEN CATHERINE THOMAS ELIZA GOULBURN
12939/1884 HALL BELINDA THOMAS ELIZA GOULBURN
*13868/1879 HALL PATRICK FRANCIS THOMAS ELIZA GOULBURN

Thomas Hall death in Queensland 1888
qld.bdm 1888/B20852 Thomas Hall Thomas Hall Matilde Batsford

I took the least common name 'Belinda' and ran it through WA, Queensland and nsw.bdm between 1884 and 1980 and came up with one death, which is not her but Belinda Lily the daughter of Eliza Hammond.
nsw.bdm DEATHS 5958/1903 HALL BELINDA L THOMAS ELIZA GOSFORD
The above child 'Belinda' was born in Goulburn on 2 April 1884 so that narrows down the births in Goulburn and indicates there was certainly more than one Thomas and Eliza Hall living in Goulburn at that time.

Was Thomas Hall alone when he died in Qld? that is what you really need to find out.
This is the Patrick Francis which asheppard found who died in Nyngan, registered in nsw 1959
27203/1959 HALL PATRICK FRANCIS THOMAS EILEEN NYNGAN
It's daunting!

by janilye on 2011-11-16 18:27:15

I don't think Thomas was alone in Queensland when he died. The info on that death registration is too detailed. I mean you are not likely to tell your best mate or your landlady your mother's maiden name. I think if Eliza did leave the country it would have been from Queensland and I don't understand why she would leave Patrick and his brother? unless after father died they went into care. puzzling. Maybe you should check the orphanages being placed in one would be enough reason not to mention the family.

by mikatipalialgr7 on 2011-11-22 05:43:10

thank u janilye

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