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Benjamin Milton WILDEY + Elizabeth WILSON + Catherine Wasen MUNRO

Journal by ngairedith

for veritasvictrix and the query of 23 Sept 2011:
WILDEY FAMILY from England/Scotland
... DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON RELATIVES LIVING IN NEW ZEALAND THAT ARE PART OF THE BENJAMIN MILTON WILDEY MARRIED TO CATHERINE WASEN MUNROE FROM SCOTLAND .
CHILDREN ALEXANDER, EDWARD, JOHN, MARY, SARAH, CATHERINE, JOSEPH AND DAVID.... WE ARE MISSING INFORMATION FROM THEN ON...



Benjamin Milton WILDEY (1824-1905)
- born in England, Benjamin was sent to Hobart, Tasmania as a convict on the ship NILE which left Portland in July 1850 with 300 passengers, arriving in Hobart in October 1850 with 299 (Richard Mason having died during the voyage)

- Benjamin was a Carpenter

He married Elizabeth WILSON (1829-?) in Hobart Town, Tasmania on the 6th October 1851

* On 23 December 1854 Benjamin (& William Dixon), appeared in the High Court at Hobart Town when they took action against Mathew Fitzpatrick for the recovery of £33, alleged to be due them for the loss of time, under a contract for the erection of the frame of a house at Petchey's Bay, Hobart Town. A witness named James Oliver proved the execution of an agreement and other evidence was adduced to show that the plaintiffs had lost thirty three days for the want of timber, which ought to have been supplied by the defendant. For the defence it was alleged that the amount was not owing, and that the defendant claimed a set off for rent of a hut etc. It was shown also that when the plaintiffs were settled with by the defendant on the 8th of September, a receipt for which was produced, nothing was said relative to loss of time and which loss of time was caused by plaintiffs themselves.
His Honor in summing up to the jury pointed out the date of the agreement, which appeared to have been written over an erasure; there was also a discrepancy as to the date of the contract in refrence to the alleged loss of time; it was for the jury, however, to take all the particulars into their consideration and decide accordingly.
The jury retired and after an absence of nearly two hours, returned a verdict for plaintiffs, damages £18 18s

* On January 26th 1856 Benjamin was granted his 'Ticket of Leave' in Tasmania

* On October 8th 1860 Benjamin caught the screw steamer CLINCH from the Port of Hobart Town to Sydney

- Benjamin arrived in Dunedin New Zealand about 1861/62

Catherine Wasen MUNRO (1841-1926)
- she was born in Glasgow, Scotland and arrived in NZ about 1861/62


Benjamin & Catherine married in New Zealand on 16 July 1863

the known CHILDREN of BENJAMIN & CATHERINE:

... 1
1863 - 1953 Alexander Edward Wildey
- Alexander was a Printer (in at least 1889 he was the Secretary, Provisional Directors, Tuapeka Advocate Newspaper and Printing Company). In 1896 he was with the "New Zealand Wheelman"
- Alexander in Sep 1898
- Alexander in Aug 1911
- he married Annie Angel THOMAS (1866-1945) in 1885
- MARRIAGE, WILDEY-THOMAS At the residence of the bride's father, on the 18th November, 1885, by C. A. Moore, Evangelist, Alexander Wildey, of Lawrence, eldest son of B. M. Wildey, of Caversham, to Annie A. Thomas, eldest daughter of D. A. Thomas, Primrose Hill, Mornington
- (Annie is buried in Christchurch Cemetery as is her son Alexander Edward & daughter Annie Constance)

- the 5 of the known children of Alexander & Annie Wildey:

1887 - 1957 David John Wildey
- In March 1908 in Christchurch - Some months ago an ambitious young man named David John Wildey conceived the idea of supplying Christchurch with cheap and fresh fish. His friends wished hm luck and helped him to purchase a trawler, but the Goliath of monopoly and adverse fortune was rather too big for this particular David, and he met his creditors in the Official Assignee's office this morning to explain why his anticipations had not been realised ... more here
- David married Katherine McAllister {later Kathleen "Kitty" Lydia} LYON (1889-1940) in 1910
- (POSSIBLY) a daughter of George LYON & Catherine McALLISTER who married in Hobart, Tasmania in 1863
- (WILDEY - On October 10, 1940, at Sydney, Kitty, eldest daughter of E. Lyon, The Terrace, and mother of Dave Wildey; aged 53 years (Peacefully at rest))
- some of the known children of David & Kitty (not verified):
* 1st born, Otto William Wildey in Christchurch, (1910 - died in Sydney, Australia)
* 2nd born, David John Wildey (on August 6 1940, the engagement is announced between Joan Katherine, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. Molan, of Wanganui, and David John, second son of Mrs K. L. Wildey, of Sydney)
* 3rd born (either Constance of Joan)
* Constance Wildey
* Joan Edward Milton Wildey
* 4th born Robin Adair Wildey (1915 - 1991)


1888 - 1967 Alexander Edward Wildey ... At her residence, Colonsay street, Lawrence, on the 11th October, 1888, the wife of Alex. Wildey, of a son
- Alexander married Hilda May SCOTT (1890-1962) in 1912
- WILDEY - SCOTT, On the 21st February 1912, at St. John's Presbyterian Church, by the Rev. Dr. Gibb, Alexander Edward, second son of Alexander WIldey, of Christchurch, to Hilda May, only daughter of Samuel R. Scott, Boulcott-street, Wellington
- On the 6th February 1915, at their residence, 1 Maarama-crescent, to Mr. and Mrs. Alex. E. Wildey - a daughter; both well
- SCOTT, On November 8, 1937 at Wellington, Lydia, dearly loved mother of Horace S. Scott, Island Bay, Wellington; Ernest R. Scott, Los Angeles, California; and Mrs. Wildey, Christchurch. Interred at Karori Cemetery today

1890 - 1966 Catherine Mary Wildey

1892 - 1918 Annie Constance Wildey

1896 - ? Wilfred Roland Wildey
- Wilfred married Violet Sadie BROWN in 1919
- ... Wilfred Roland Wildey, who is serving a sentence of three years for forgery, escaped from the Waikune Prison on Tuesday. Wildey is an ex-naval man, is about 30 years of age, 5ft 7in in height, and has a dark complexion and brown hair. At the time of his escape he was dressed in prison clothes
... reported in the EVENING POST: - Christchurch, December 1922 - a fire which destroyed the wooden building occupied by Lutjohann's billiard table factory was very rapid and intense and threatened the adjoining Salvation Army Barracks and Wildey's printing works, both of which are of brick. Lutjohann's building was owned by Mr. McCormick. The loss on the building and stock is not ascertainable. Wildey's had a lucky save, but a considerable amount of damage was done to the stock and machinery by water. The loss includes quantities of stationery and railway time-tables. The insurances are: Lujohann's building, £200, and on the contents £1700; on Wildey's building £2000, on machinery and plant £3035, on ticket machine £600, and on stock in store £500 and £2450
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... 2
1867 - ? Edward Milton Wildey
- Edward was given an award in Dec 1878 for his unbroken attendance during the year at Caversham District School
- he married Martha Ann OLIVER (1879-1899) in 1890
- Martha died in Gordon St, Caversham on 10 May 1899 aged 29
- ... WILDEY - On the 10th May, after a short and painful illness, Martha Ann, the beloved wife of Edward M. Wildey, and daughter of Henry Oliver, Gordon street, Caversham; aged 29 years
- Edward was a widower when he married Rose Anne ROBINSON from NZ on 3 March 1908 at the Register's Office, Holborn, London
- note their address in 1917 when his son Milton was Killed in War

- the 4 of the known children of Edward & Marta Wildey:

1891 - 1984 Edward Henry Wildey
- born 26 April, Edward married Margaret Seaton BEADLE (1896-1963) in 1912

1893 - 1909 John Wildey

1895 - 1917 Milton Wildey (KILLED IN ACTION WWI see notes below)

1897 - ? Fanny May Wildey
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... 3
1869 - 1956 John Earl Wildey
- married Elizabeth BOULT (1869-1964) in 1897

- the 4 of the known children of John & Elizabeth Wildey:

1899 - ? Winifed Eliza Wildey

1902 - 1996 Doris Mary Wildey
- Doris was Baptised in 1903 in West Taieri Parish, Otago
- she married Arthur, aka Eric PETERSON (1902-1992) in 1929

1907 - 2006 Myra Catherine Wildey

1911 - 1998 John Benjamin Wildey
- John was Baptised in 1913 in West Taieri Parish, Otago
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... 4
1870 - 1948 Mary Stokes Wildey
- married Thomas William SEAL (1870-1926) in 1891

- the 5 known children of Mary & Thomas Seal:

1891 - 1891 William Thomas Seal
- William died aged 3 months

1892 - 1973 Christopher John Seal
- Christopher married Jessie MILLER (1892-1954) in 1917

1893 - 1969 Winifred Catherine Ruth Seal
- Winifred married Percy Randolph BOND (1894-1966) in 1919
- son of John BOND & Lavinia STUBBS or FRELAN
- Percy served in WWI as Corporal 75500 with the NZEF, 39th Reinforcements A Company. His next of kin was his mother, Mrs L. Bond (mother), 5 Law Street, Caversham, Dunedin

1901 - 1978 Alice Selina Mary Seal
- Alice is on the Caversham, Dunedin Electoral Rolls from 1922 to 1938 as a Spinster living in Surrey St., South Dunedin (No 7 Surrey St in 1922 then from 1925 to 1938 at No 100 Surrey St which was the home of her parents)

1905 - ? Olive Alma Seal
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... 5
1872 - 1967 Benjamin Milton Wildey
- served as Private 50278 with the NZEF, Samoan Relief
- Occupation: Horse Trainer
- NEXT OF KIN: Mrs Catherine Wildey (mother), 11 Playfair Street, Caversham, Dunedin
- Embarkation Date: 4 May 1918
- Place of Embarkation: Auckland, New Zealand
- Transport: Talune 4 May 1918
- Vessel: Talune
- Destination: Apia, Samoa
Benjamin died 23 July 1967 aged 95. He had been living at 85 Cannington Rd., Dunedin. His ashes were scattered
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... 6
1873 - 1962 Sarah Munro Wildey
- married William Patrick BUTLER (1871-1953) in South Dunedin 29 September 1893
- they were living in Bradshaw St, Dunedin in 1916 when son William died in WWI

- the 5 of the known children of Sarah & William Butler:

1893 - 1916 William Manus Butler
- William served as Rifleman 4/81 with the Samoan Advance Party, New Zealand Railway Engineers in 1914 and Rifleman 4/62 with the 2nd Battalion, New Zealand Rifle Brigade in 1915. He DIED OF WOUNDS in France in WWI aged 23. He is buried at B.18.2. St Sever Cemetery, Rouen, France

1897 - 1960 Terence Milton Butler
- Terence married Jane Maxwell LOVE (1896-1968) in 1920
- daughter of Johnston LOVE & Lottie JACKSON

1898 - 1987 Thomas John Butler
- Thomas married Ada BURNS (1898-1983) in 1920
- daughter of Andrew BURNS & Mary SMITT

1902 - 1977 Stanley Benjamin Butler
- Stanley married Gertrude Doreen KING (1902-1976) in 1924
- daughter of Arthur Bramwell KING & Caroline MARSLIN

1905 - 1972 Mary Catherine Butler
- Mary married Roberton SMALLMAN (1896-1970) in 1930
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... 7
1877 - 1940 Catherine Munro Wildey
- married Francis Edward FORD (1877-1955) in 1899

- the 4 of the known children of Catherine & Francis Ford:

1900 - 1987 Catherine Laura Marion Ford
- Catherine married Alan Campbell PATTIE (1890-1971) as his 2nd wife on 3-9-1938 (they lived in Blenheim) Alan's 1st wife was Phylis Amy BONNY (1890-1935)
- Alan was the 9th of 12 children of David Hill PATTIE from Mouswald, Dumfriesshire, Scotland & Mary McRae FULTON (1858-1935)

1903 - 1966 Roy Fraser Ford
- Roy married Rose Edna SOLE (1908-2007) in 1930
- daughter of William Henry SOLE & Emma WILLS

1905 - 1999 Mavis Dorothy Ford
- Mavis married Albert John DIVER (1906-2002) in 1930
- a son of John DIVER & Elizabeth CARSON

1910 - ? Frances Jessie Ford
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... 8
1878 - 1882 Joseph Wildey
- Joseph died aged 4
- he is buried with his parents in Plot 24 - Block 131 at Southern Cemetery, Dunedin
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... 9
1881 - 1939 David Munro Wildey
- in February 1891 David Wildey, 11 years of age, who resided with his parents in Playfair street, Caversham, was knocked over by a waggonette. One of the wheels of which passed over his right thigh. He had been running after a tramcar and stopped suddenly in fromt of the aggonette. The driver, a man named Francis Brown, did not see him and no blame was attributable to him for the accident. He picked David up in a stunned state, but he was able, without assistance, to go home, where Dr Martin attended to him
- in January 1896, David was in trouble for throwing stones at Alexander Mitchell in what the judge described as a 'New Year's frolic'
- David was a Bookbinder
- he married Caren Louise LYDERS (1882-1976) in 1909 in Caversham
- Caren was a daughter of Peter Andrew LYDERS & Maria Louise JENSEN?

- the 2 known children (very possibly others) of David & Caren:

1910 - ? Catherine Munro Wildey

1911 - ? Caren Lyders Wildey

David Munro Wildey died on 28 March 1938 aged 58. He had been living at 8 Picardy Street, Mornington, Dunedin. He is buried PLOT 27 - BLOCK 152 at Andersons Bay Cemetery
Caren Louise Wildey (nee Lyders) died 17 July 1976 aged 95. Her last address was 8 Picardy St., Mornington, Dunedin. She is buried PLOT 29 - BLOCK 152 at Andersons Bay Cemetery
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DEATH - WILDEY, On the 10th April 1905, at Playfair street, Caversham, Dunedin, Benjamin Milton, the beloved husband of Catherine Wildey (after a long and painful illness); in his seventy-eighth year. "At rest"

Benjamin is buried with his wife Catherine & 4 year old son Joseph in
Plot 24 - Block 131 at Southern Cemetery, Dunedin

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NOTES
Benjamin Milton Wildey's father was Edward Milton Wildey (1798-?) who also emigrated to New Zealand
- I originally had them as brothers -


an A. E. Wildey lived at 103 Haitaitai Road Wellington in 1919


CAVERSHAM, Dunedin, ELECTORAL ROLLS:

1893, Wildey, Benjamin
- Playfair Street, Caversham
- Carpenter
- also Wildey, Catherine Milton, Housekeeper

1896, Wildey, Benjamin
- Playfair Street, Caversham
- Carpenter
- also Wildey, Catherine Milton, Housekeeper

1899, Wildey, Benjamn
- Playfair Street, Caversham
- Carpenter
- also Wildey, Catherine Milton, Housekeeper

1902, Wildey, Benkamin
- Playfair Street, Caversham
- Carpenter
- also Wildey, Catherine Milton, Housekeeper

1905, Wildey, Catherine Milton
- Playfair Street, Caversham, Married
(WHERE WAS BENJAMIN THIS YEAR)

1911, Wildey, Benjamin Milton
- 11 Playfair Street, Caversham,
- Traveller,
- also Wildey, Catherine, Married

1914, Wildey, Benjamin Milton
- 11 Playfair Street, Caversham,
- Traveller,
- also Wildey, Catherine, Married

1919, Wildey, Benjamin Milton
- 11 Playfair Street, Caversham,
- Traveller,
- also Wildey, Catherine, Married

1922, Wildey, Benjamin Milton
- 11 Playfair Street, Caversham,
- Traveller,
- also Wildey, Catherine, Married (Catherine died 1926)

1925, Wildey, Benjamin Milton
- 11 Playfair Street, Caversham, Horse Trainer
- also Wildey, (son) Benjamin Milton, Horse Trainer

1931, Wildey, Benjamin Milton
- 40 Bradshaw Street
- Labourer, 1320
- also Butler, (daughter) Sarah Munro, Married
- also Butler, Thomas, Clerk
- also Butler, William Patrick, Bootmaker


Milton Wildey
Rank Last Held: Lance Corporal
War: World War I, 1914-1918
Serial No.: 8/3114
First Known Rank: Private
Next of Kin: Edward Milton Wildey (father), 75 City Road, London E.C., England
Marital Status: Single
Enlistment Address: Birchwood, Southland, New Zealand
Military District: Otago
Body on Embarkation: 7th Reinforcements
Embarkation Unit: Otago Infantry Battalion
Embarkation Date: 9 October 1915
Place of Embarkation: Wellington, New Zealand
Transport: HMNZT 32 OR HMNZT 33 OR HMNZT 34
Vessel: Aparima or Navua or Warrimoo
Last Unit Served: Otago Infantry Regiment
Place of Death: Ypres, Belgium
Date of Death: 12 October 1917
Cause of Death: Killed in action


LISTEN to Peter Wildey (1914-?), Second Lieutenant, with the 7th (NZ) Field Company as he recalls shooting at gliders in the battle for Crete in May 1941. Peter was a mining student at the University of Otago when WWII broke out. He combined his studies with a job as a radio serviceman at Dunedin firm Calder Mackay, becoming involved in a radio station that operated from the premises. He married Mary Helen CRAWFORD (24 Aug 1913-1989), who nursed him in Auckland before the war when he had cut the tendons in his wrist during training. She decided to go to Cairo when he was posted there, which is where they married However, they had first met at Mornington School in Dunedin. They had 3 daughters. Peter returned to New Zealand in 1944, Mary had returned a little earlier. In 1945, he answered an advertisement for an engineering position at the Otago Harbour Board, where he remained for 30 years. He and Mary later moved to Christchurch. He settled in Alexandra following the death of Mary in 1989. You can read his story here: Sapper recalls exploits at the front which was told to Shane Gilchrist in April 2008


On 5 November 1934 John Edward Brough Wildey, aged 20, ws admitted to probation for three years on a charge of breaking and entering at Lumsden, Southland


an Ann WILDEY/WILDE was born in 1766 in Gloucestershire, England. She married James HORLTE in London in 1785. james was born in 1754 in Belbroughton, Worcestershire, England. He was a soldier in the Dragoons (Mounted Infantry) based in London. They had Martha Hortle in Coventry, England in 1786 and Thomas Hortle in 1788. They sailed with his unit to Sydney Cove, NSW, Australia on the Salamander in 1791 and had at least 7 other children there.
James was later transferred to the NSW Corps and they all moved to Tasmania (sometme after 1801)
James Hortle died in Port Dalrymple, Tasmania on 25 June 1808 aged about 54. He was speared to death by aboriginals. He is buried in the Soldiers Grave at Yorktown, Tasmania. Ann died in Launceston, Tasmania on 11 June 1814 (no age available at this time)


SEE ALSO
WILDEY buried in CHRISTCHURCH

WILDEY buried in DUNEDIN

WILDEY buried in TIMARU

WILDEY marriages in NEW ZEALAND

WILDEY deaths in NEW ZEALAND

by ngairedith Profile | Research | Contact | Subscribe | Block this user
on 2011-09-24 21:22:49

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by elspeth1981 on 2011-09-24 22:08:17

thanks Ngairedith we have checked your information against our tree. We were lucky to find some confirmation of Benjamin Wildey a convict who married Elizabeth Wilson in Hobart Town, Tas. then must have travelled up to NZ & married Catherine Wasen Munro?
My email is Kathleen.milton-wildey@uts.edu.au
now don't laugh but I changed my name last year after my divorce...so hence the milton.

We need information on Catherine Wasen Munro & Benjamin's parent in UK? and Scotland?

also now it is interesting that he had a brother...Edward Milton Wildey...we would like more on this connection also...who are Edward's relatives/descendents...we realise that there are a few family branches around in NZ & Aust. Our father is William Otto Wildey son of David John & Kathleen Lydia (prev. Katherine McAllister Lyon).

by elspeth1981 on 2011-09-27 18:40:52

dear Ngairedith, thank you again for all these links. We are very surprised that Kathleen Lydia McAllister Wildey's mother you write, may be a McAllister... I have Kathleen's death certificate and it lists her mother as Esther Burns Lyon on her death certificate and her marriage certificate. her father is James Lyon, Harbour Master we think the father of James Lyon is the George Lyon and his wife is a Catherine McAllister...hence why Kathleen is named McAllister as a middle name...this makes sense.

1. Can you find any information on George Lyon and his descendents? We were always told they were connected to the Queen Mother's family ...Bowes Lyon?

2. We are stumped about how to find out about Benjamin Milton Wildey who as a convict did not name any family connections (in Tasmania documents). Where did he come from in the UK and his siblings and parents?

3. we would like to confirm that Benjamin Milton is the father of Alexander Edward who married Annie Angel Thomas...just to be sure. If Benjamin was a carpenter when and how did the family make money following this time...was it the sons in printing & publishing (Alexander Edward) as they then seemed to be well off and had the large home in Antigua St in Chrishchurch (which later burnt down in the 1900s). We were told that David John married to Kathleen Lydia Wildey was quite well off also but went bankrupt a couple of times before they separated just prior to her death on 4/10/1940.
regards Kathleen

by elspeth1981 on 2011-09-27 19:02:04

I can confirm that Otto William became William Otto and Married Elsie Winifred D'Arcy in Manly, sydney. David JOhn is his brother, Joan, Constance & Robyn Adair. But we did not know that Joan was named Edward Milton Wildey? this is new to us but we do not have the death certificates etc to confirm this as William & Elsie are now deceased. Can you confirm this with her name?

some of the known children of David & Kitty (not verified): *1st born, Otto William Wildey in Christchurch 1910 - died in Sydney, Australia; *David John Wildey (on August 6 1940, the engagement is announced between Joan Katherine, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. Molan, of Wanganui, and David John, second son of Mrs K. L. Wildey, of Sydney); *Robin Adair Wildey; *Constance Wildey; *Joan Edward Milton Wildey.

by sallyw on 2012-02-07 00:42:34

Benjamin Milton Wildy spent a lot of time on the goldfields & made absolutely no money there.

What proof is there that Benjamin WILDY , married to Elizabeth Wilson in Australia

is the same person as Benjamin Milton Wildey , [both names have different spelling] married to Catherine Munroe in Dunedin a couple of years later?

We believed that Ben came from Germany , to England to NZ.
I have one photograph of him standing outside his wee house in Caversham. He built it himself.

by ngairedith on 2012-07-06 20:38:23

thanks to GlenH for her recent mesage

Subject: RE: Childerhouse
To: ngairedith
From: GlenH
Date: 2012-07-06 04:55:05


Hi Ngaire
Re Your records for Mary & Thomas Seal

On NZ BDM search two marriages for John Bond & Lavinia Frelan also John Bond & Lavinia Stubbs were registered in 1891.
Percy Randolph Bond has no connection with Lavinia Frelan or her husband John Bond of Thames. Lavinia had three daughters and one son, William Frederick B1901 who were registered with the surname Bond. The remaining 4 or 5 children on the result list for John Bond & Lavinia search including Percy Rendolph must relate to the other family.

As well as personal knowledge of the Bond children because my father lived with and was raised by his grandmother, at least two members of the Bond family have done research.

by JuanitaM on 2012-09-16 07:36:50

Hi I am a descendant of of Sarah and Michael . Thomas Butler and Ada Burns are my grandparents. I understood from my aunt that they met on the boat on their way to NZ and her family were opposed to the marriage.

by veritasvictrix on 2012-09-29 07:42:29

hello JuanitaM and ngairedith
I would like to thank you for contacting and putting information on my family. I would like to be able to converse with you on email or skype if possible. I have had very little or no contact with anyone in NZ over this family of mine very very strange. as i have been told that any of the Wildeys in NZ are all related. Please email me christinabickley@gmail.com
would love to talk I am the 5th child born to William Otto and Elsie Wildey granddaughter of David John Wildey.
kind regards Christina Bickley nee Wildey.

by veritasvictrix on 2012-10-27 19:20:47

hi
sallyw on 2012-02-07 00:42:34 would like to speak to you about any information at hat you might have on the Wildey family... please could you email me
christinabickley@gmail.com

I am nee Wildey GGG daughter of Benjamin Milton and Alexander Edward Wildey

would love to chat about any information or photos you might like to exchange..
kind regards

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