Can anyone help me please with info relating to the ancestors of Edward Henry LEDWELL (Born 1863 in Hobart, Tasmania, and his wife Esther Jane SMITH (Born 1862 in Richmond, Tasmania)? Married 21st April 1885 in Hobart, Tasmania. :: FamilyTreeCircles.com Genealogy
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Can anyone help me please with info relating to the ancestors of Edward Henry LEDWELL (Born 1863 in Hobart, Tasmania, and his wife Esther Jane SMITH (Born 1862 in Richmond, Tasmania)? Married 21st April 1885 in Hobart, Tasmania.

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on 2011-01-26 00:25:49

ianmalik has been a Family Tree Circles member since Jan 2011. is researching the following names: HULL, FORREST, ALLENDER and 2 other(s).

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by ChristineL on 2011-01-27 02:18:35

Have you looked in the Tasmanian Archives name indexes?
http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/nameindexes

by ianmalik on 2011-01-27 04:52:36

i am not sure, but i will do now - thank you very much ChristineL

by Aussie1947 on 2011-01-27 09:24:24

Hi,
Some pre 1900 directory information

Tasmanian Directory 1887
Ledwell James, B, tailor, 79 Elizabeth St.
Ledwell & Co., tailors, 79 Elizabeth St

Tasmanian PO Directory 1892-93
Ledwell Charles H, 20 Colville St, Hobart.
Ledwell Mrs Charlotte, 63 Davey St, Hobart.

Tasmania Post Office Directory 1894-95.
Ledwell Edward H, 20 Colville St, Hobart.
Ledwell Mrs Charlotte, 63 Davey St, Hobart.

Tasmanian Post Office Directory 1899.
Ledwell Edward H, Flemington Hotel, Argyle St, Hobart.

also

Hobart Gazette 1903
Tuesday January 13th 1903.
Licence to retail liquior ending 31st December 1903 was granted to a
Ledwell Edward Henry, Flemington Hotel, Argyle St.

Gerry

by ianmalik on 2011-01-27 18:11:37

Thank you Gerry - you are always very helpful. I know enough about EH Ledwell to know that your last paragraph is correct - my grandmother often spoke about growing up in a hotel environment - it is his ancestors, rather than his wife's, that I am having trouble locating.

Kind regards, and thanks, once again,

Ian.

by allycat on 2011-01-27 21:42:35

I had a look yesterday online and your LEDWELL genealogy is in family trees at RootsWeb. Scroll down to FamilyTrees WorldConnect, click on Search Family Trees, type in just simply Ledwell Edward and contact the database owners.

EDITOR.

by ianmalik on 2011-01-27 23:00:54

Have done that, thank you allycat, but no ancestors of Edward Henry LEDWELL listed ....

by ianmalik on 2017-03-30 07:32:18

It has now been 6 years since my original request for assistance in finding the parents of Edward Henry LEDWELL, without much success. But I certainly appreciate the assistance offered.

I wonder if anything has come to light during the intervening years?

Ian.

by tonkin on 2017-03-30 09:03:26

Hello Ian.

Now that you have pulled your journal up someone may be able to assist you with some details.

To start with I'm unable to locate a birth for Henry Edward LEDWELL born 1863 in Hobart, Tasmania.

May I ask where you obtained Henry's birth details from?

by janilye on 2017-03-30 15:37:08

In 1911 Henry Edward Ledwell was the licensee of the Flemington Arms Public House in Argyle street, Hobart. But back in 1907 when he was charged with supplying liquor to a child (female) who had been sent there to buy beer for her mother; he was Edward Henry Ledwell he pleaded guilty and was fined.
So try Edward as the forename

The Mercury (Hobart, Tas) Monday 19 March 1923
FALL FRACTURES LEG.

Edward Ledwell, aged 59, a resident of Risdon, was admitted to the Hobart
Public General Hospital on Saturday evening suffering from a fractured leg
caused by a fall on the pavement of Federal-street, North Hobart.
His condition is satisfactory.

by janilye on 2017-03-30 16:01:20

The Mercury (Hobart, Tas) Wed 29 April 1885
LEDWELL.— SMITH.
On April 21, at St. David's Cathedral, by Rev. John Gray,
Edward Henry Ledwell, to Esther Jane Smith, both of this city.
The Mercury (Hobart, Tas) Tuesday 13 August 1912

LEDWELL. -On August 12, 1912, at 11 Browne-street, Jack Edward Ledwell, only son of Edward Henry and Mary Ledwell.
Funeral will move from the above address This Day (Tuesday), for Cornelian Bay Cemetery, at 10 o'clock. Friends respectfully invited to attend.

The Mercury (Hobart, Tas.) Monday 7 March 1932
LEDWELL.— On March 5, 1932, at her residence, 94 Elm Crescent, Risdon,
Esther Jane, the dearly beloved wife of Edward H. Ledwell, aged 70 years.

The Mercury (Hobart, Tas.) Monday 9 December 1940
LEDWELL.- In December 6. 1940. at The Royal Hobart Hospital, Edward (Ted),
the dearly beloved husband of the late Esther J. Ledwell, of 378 Argyle Street, aged 78 years.

by janilye on 2017-03-30 16:29:53

There was a barque which travelled from Hobart to Sydney called the Australasian Packet in the 1860's; the master of that vessel was Edward J Ledwell. He died in Sydney in 1891.
Now the thing is, I think he should be looked at because in Hobart in 1865 there was a maintenance order taken out against Edward Ledwell (I don't know if it's the same Ledwell but gee how many can there be!) by Margaret Kempton for two illegitimate children.
It's 3.30 am I will find the document later and show you.
Maybe there's a birth reg. in the name of Kempton

by janilye on 2017-03-30 17:03:58

Captain Edward James Ledwell died at the residence of his eldest son, Edward James Ledwell in Liverpool Street Hobart in June 1874. age 65.
The son married Annie Marie Sowter on 15 December 1873 in Sydney. It was this son who died in 1891.

MAINTENANCE ORDER

by ianmalik on 2017-03-31 01:51:15

Hi Tonkin. Thank you for your advice.

I am not sure now from where the birth details came from - I do not have any documentation to support either the location or date.

Maybe your search was effected by the swapping of first and middle names, as you mentioned Henry Edward rather than Edward Henry Ledwell.

Ian Malik

by ianmalik on 2017-03-31 01:58:39

Hi janilye.

You have provided me with a wealth of information with respect to Edward Henry Ledwell, for which I am grateful.

Unfortunately it has not lead me to his parents yet but I continue to follow your information.

I do not believe that the person in question was a merchant seaman.

Thanks again for your helpful contribution.

Ian Malik

by janilye on 2017-03-31 02:20:13

I found this under LADWELL
Name: Ladwell, Henry Edward
Record Type: Births
Gender: Male
Father: Ladwell, Edward
Occupation: sailor
Mother: Isherwood, Margaret
Address: Sandy Bay
Date of birth: 16 March 1864
Registered: Hobart
Registration year: 1864
AND
Name: Ledwell, Albert
Record Type: Births
Gender: Male
Father: Ledwell, Edward
Occupation: Mariner
Mother: Isherwood, Margaret,
Address of mother: Campbell-street
Date of birth: 30 August 1865
Registered: Hobart
Registration year: 1865

by ianmalik on 2017-03-31 03:23:35

Hi janilye, and thanks again for your assistance.

Both your search results relate to individuals associated with maritime activities, but I am sure that the family was involved in the hotel industry, as advised by my grandmother, Ruby May FORREST(nee LEDWELL), a daughter of Edward Henry LEDWELL, who told us many stories of her upbringing in a hotel environment.

Thanks again and kind regards....

by janilye on 2017-03-31 06:54:07

Indeed, Edward Henry Ledwell was in the hotel business, I have seen the licenses and his Will leaving everything to his daughter Ruby. But you do not know who his parents were or what their occupation may have been. I'm looking at all Ledwells' in Tasmania. If you say he was born in Hobart that's, firstly, where we need to look.

by ianmalik on 2017-03-31 07:01:42

OK, thanks janilye

by ianmalik on 2017-04-12 01:54:14

In spite of the kind assistance from janilye and tonkin, I don't appear to be any closer to discovering who the parents of Edward Henry (or Henry Edward) LEDWELL were. I wonder if some misinformation on my part could be hampering the search, and if so, where to go from here?

by ianmalik on 2017-04-15 08:11:29

Hi Janilye,
I have just spent the last few hours reviewing your advice and comments regarding the parents of Edward Henry LEDWELL and now believe that your comment "I think he [Capt. Edward J. LEDWELL who died in Sydney in 1891]should be looked at because in Hobart in 1865 there was a maintenance order taken out against Edward Ledwell (I don't know if it's the same Ledwell but gee how many can there be!) by Margaret Kempton for two illegitimate children." is significant, and may well explain why they have been so difficult to track down!

At the same time you mentioned a document to be shown later. I have not succeeded in locating anything about it and was wondering if you found anything about the maintenance order.

Kind regards, Ian Malik

by janilye on 2017-04-15 14:02:01

Firstly I believe Margaret Isherwood and Margaret Kempton are one and the same.
I also believe her children were Henry Edward Ledwell and Albert Ledwell.

Despite the transcription of LEDWELL as LADWELL I believe THIS is the birth registration of Henry Edward LEDWELL.
And THIS is his brother Albert LEDWELL
If you click on MAINTENANCE ORDER and read about Margaret Kempton taking Edward Ledwell to task for her 2 children I believe the children are Henry and Albert and Margaret Kempton is Margaret Isherwood.
Albert Ledwell married Eleanor Maude Rowlands age 19 on 2 October 1894.
The Mercury (Hobart, Tas) Sat 1 Dec 1894
LEDWELL-ROWLANDS.- On October 2,1894, at West Coast, by the Rev. W. A. M. Cockerill, Albert Benjamin Ledwell to
Eleanor Maud, third daughter of William and M. A. Rowlands.

Albert Ledwell died on 24 November 1916, at Hobart General Hospital. His residence, was 29 Lillie street, Glebe, and he is buried at Cornelian Bay Cemetery. His daughter Margaret Catherine Ledwell age 16 was murdered at Cheshunt in 1914.

by ianmalik on 2017-04-16 02:22:09

Hi janilye, This makes for fascinating reading and I am going to pursue your leads on the assumption that you have got this right!!

As a direct descendant of Edward Henry LEDWELL I am keen to sort this all out....

Sincere thanks for your kind assistance, and my apologies if I appeared doubtful at first.

Kind regards, Ian Malik

by janilye on 2017-04-17 01:45:34

A bit more for your puzzle - tracing Margaret Kempton.
Found this story reported in the Mercury, Hobart. Inquest on a woman who turned out to be Margaret Kempton.
Here is the official record of the Margaret Kempton Inquest , dated 15 June 1887. Date of death 13 June 1887. age 65

by ianmalik on 2017-04-17 09:03:28

I have copied and saved 3 documents resulting from your further advice regarding Margaret KEMPTON / ISHERWOOD / ADAMS.

Thank you for this janilye.

by janilye on 2017-04-18 02:29:02

James Isherwood was licensee of the Fountain Inn on Argyle-street in 1871.
The reason I mention this, besides the surname was that his second wife was a widow called Mary Kimpton, married 1869, James Isherwood was a widower 2 sons mentioned in his Will; John and James Henry.
The ship Neptune, Captain Ferris, arrived from England, on the 7th Oct., with 348 male prisoners (If it's the same Isherwood) There seems to be quite a bit to look at

by ianmalik on 2017-04-18 04:04:57

Many thanks janilye.....again, I have recorded all this with mounting interest!

by janilye on 2017-04-18 11:45:47

I found this notice
The Mercury (Hobart, Tas) Sat 23 Jul 1864
FUGE—ISHERWOOD.—July 20th, by special license, by
the Rev. J. W. Simmons, Mr. John Philip Fuge,
Chief Officer of the brig Daniel Watson, to Catherine,
second daughter of Mr. James Isherwood, Lower Sandy Bay.
then when I went to find a Fuge-Isherwood marriage certificate I found instead a [url=https://talis.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qf=NI_INDEX%09Record+type%09Marriages%09Marriages&qu=Kate&qu=Kempton] FUGE - KEMPTON marriage.So there is the link between the Isherwoods and the Kemptons; now you just have to figure out why, what, where, when

by janilye on 2017-04-18 11:49:07

sorry! I got carried away
FUGE - KEMPTON

by ianmalik on 2017-04-18 13:16:03

That's OK, I do it all the time!

I will now try to digest this rather convoluted relationship, but not quite sure at this stage what it all means?

Very much appreciated though. Thank you janilye.

by janilye on 2017-04-19 14:31:53

Don't know how to break this to you but Margaret Isherwood had another illegitimate child. A female she named Alice born on 24 August 1868, at Campbell-street. Margaret named the father as William Bridger (a baker).
Alice was born blind.

by ianmalik on 2017-04-20 02:33:34

This part of the Family history is more intriguing than a mystery movie and one must now wonder, what next?!

Thank you for this info.....

by baulko on 2017-08-16 14:06:23

Hi Ian,

I am a descendant of Edward James Ledwell, a Master Mariner born 1809 in Deptford, London died 1874 in Hobart. He married Nancy Noble in London in 1836. They had 2 children, Edward James born 1843 and James Barnes born 1844, both in Deptford, London.

When Nancy arrived in Hobart on the ship “Elizabeth” on 18 November 1855 with the two boys, Edward was already there. I am not sure when he arrived in Hobart.

Son Edward James was also a mariner in his early life. He was in Sydney in 1873 when he married Annie Sowter. They had seven children who to the best of my knowledge lived in Sydney.

I do not know much about the parents of Edward James b. 1809. His father was Edward Ledwell and his mother Rachel Stroud. They had three children, Edward James, George James and William George, all born on Deptford, London.

I have no knowledge of your Edward Henry Ledwell. It is possible he is another son of which I have no knowledge.

by ianmalik on 2017-08-17 02:04:27

Thank you baulko for this advice. You have added another direct descendant to my line of ancestry.

As you suspected, Edward Henry LEDWELL (1863-1940)[my great-grandfather] was a son of Edward James LEDWELL (1843-1891)

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