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Captain James Joss

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Irene Emma Joss is my grandmother. Her father is Captain James J Joss. Arrived in New Zealand late 1800's from Banff, Scotland. Does anyone have any other information on the Joss family?

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on 2013-01-07 19:09:26

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by Nanagram on 2014-09-26 22:51:31

Hi, I am a descendant of Captain James Joss from Banff, Scotland who arrived in NZ, ( Stewart Island) c1830-40.
IUm wondering if you are connected somehow?
Jenny Brown ( Nanagram)

by gellfamily on 2014-09-27 01:49:10

Hi Jenny - My Great-Grandfather is indeed Captain James Joss, from Banff, Scotland. I am told he brought his family and a large Jewish community from Scotland to Invercargill in the late 1830's.

His daughter, my Grandmother, Irene Emma Joss, married a merchant seaman, Matatahi Wikiriwhi (known as Mat Whitecliffe), from Maketu, Bay of Plenty and they moved to Wellington and had 6 children - my father Wallace Wilson (5th born). Irene Emma Joss died of Asthma in 1946.

I do not have any other information on the Joss family and would be really excited to learn more.

Kindest regards Mereana Gell (nee Whitecliffe)

by Nanagram on 2014-09-27 21:13:31

Hi Mereana, Im highly intrigued now. My James Alexander Joss was from Banff, was a whaler and lived on Stewart Island. I have a copy of his will dated 1836. He is a man of mystery. He took 2 maori woman as wives and Bishop selwyn told him he would marry one of them to him but not 2! I descend from Kurukuru and she produced only girls, the other woman gave him sons, whose descendants still live on Stewart Island. I discovered he had 2 sons with him when he disppeared presumably his ship "The Rovers Bride" was wrecked somewhere in the Pacific Islands. The sons were stated as being from Scotland in his will, the rest stated as all from NZ. I wonder how we might be connected?? I know my whakapapa is Ngatahu. James Joss has been a puzzle to all of us as to what happened to him or did he have brothers, sisters in Banff.
Kind regards, Jenny Brown, nee Thompson

by sues66 on 2014-09-28 11:45:17

Hi Mereana and Jenny.my 3x gr grandfather is James Joss.I think we corresponded years ago, Jenny. If either of you have information on our mysterious forebear I would love to share. Sue Saunderson nee Johnston

by Nanagram on 2014-10-02 04:36:00

Hi Sue, Yes we did correspond many many years ago. Im just discovering the data available on the nety, Very exciting. Sad to say I havent been able to verify exactly what happened to James. Did you ever get a copy of his will?
Jenny

by gellfamily on 2014-10-07 02:28:32

Hi Sue and Jenny - wowee what a can of worms lol!! I do believe there are 2 brothers involved here (one saint and one sinner) so to speak..My grandmother was definitely white and scots as were both her parents. I havent got the info as yet on who my Great Grandmother is and am on the hunt because I believe this information will confirm which brother is which.

Jenny - I would definitely be keen to see the will if you have a copy though.
Cheers Mereana

by Nanagram on 2014-11-01 21:29:50

Hi Mereana, I do have a copy of the will and will send you a copy, Just tell me , do you want it photo copied or sent online.
Our James drives me bonkers, just cant seem to get back further. We know he had brothers, ALEXANDER, a coast guard, married Ann....Children, JAMES b. 1827,SCT, Emma, b.1830 Cruden ABD, and Harriet, b. 1832, Newhills KCD, JOHN, was a shipbuilder and shipowner n Hartlepoole, and died, 1877. WALTER, mariner and is said to of died, in or after the Crimean war.
I found details of his James, son David, and found a bpt.18-9-1834 in Sydney for James Bruce, born 15-11-1829. parents James Joss and Mary, Nee Robinson.
I have still to tie them all together. We know Cpt James wife possibly died and he bought 2 sons to Sydney with him. To add to the mystery, I found a mention of Mary Robinson a ex convict. James may of married her to help with his boys while he at sea.
Good story for a book.
Look forward to hearing from you,
Jenny

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