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Charles Henry HERBERT - Mingenew, West Australia

Journal by ngairedith

in reply to a query from kelliejaynenelson 24 Nov 2011 regarding her great, great, grandmother Mary Elizabeth GALBRAITH and Mary's very good friend Charlie HERBERT who is mentioned on her gravestone

a family tree for Charles Henry Herbert, the 7th of 12 children, & his brother Jacob George Herbert, the 12th of 12 children, of Henry HERBERT and Leah HUNT

another family tree for Henry Herbert & Leah Hunt

Father Henry HERBERT
Born 1846 England
Immigration - 1 June 1850 on the convict transporter "Scindian" with his parents Henry & Ann & brothers James and Joseph. The Scindian arrived in Fremantle with 200 passengers and 75 male convicts. Of the 200 passengers, 163 were pensioner guards and their families, the number being made up of 55 pensioners, 29 wives, 43 sons and 36 daughters
FATHER: *Henry HERBERT (1800-1885), a Private with the Royal African Corp - enlisted when he was 18, discharged in Sierra Leone (see notes below)
Occupation - Stockman, Butcher
Residence - Before 11 April 1866, Greenough, WA
Died - 8 Jan 1916 Victoria Hospital, Geraldton, Western Australia
Buried - 10 Jan 1916 Methodist Cemetery, Mingenew, Western Australia
Married - 11 Apr 1866 Greenough School Room, Western Australia
NOTE - Henry is mentioned in Dictionary of Western Australians 1829-1914 Volume 4 Pt 2

Mother Leah HUNT
Born - 29 Oct 1849 Worth Matravers, Dorset, England
Baptism - 4 Nov 1849 Worth Matravers, Dorset, England
Census - 1851 1 yr old - born Worth Matravers, Dorset, Eng
Emigration - 8 Aug 1857 "City of Bristol" with parents and siblings and 262 other passengers
Died - 11 Sep 1909 Midland Junction, Western Australia
Cause - Cardiac Failure
Buried - 14 Sep 1909 Methodist Cemetery, Mingenew, Western Australia

the known children of Henry & Leah Herbert:
William Henry Herbert
Born - 1867 Greenough, Western Australia
Died - 1 Mar 1927 Perenjori, Western australia
Buried - 2 Mar 1927 Perenjori, Western Australia
Spouse - M ALLEN
Married - 1916 Perth, Western Australia
NOTE - leased 20,000 acres around the Perenjori rockhole in 1905

Jane Herbert
Born - 10 Mar 1869 Bokara, Greenough, Western Australia
Died - 15 Aug 1910 Golden Grove, Messangers Patch, Pinyalling Rd, South of Yalgoo, WA
Buried - 6 Oct 1910 Under a beautiful old golden wattle tree alone in the hot desert outback of Messengers Patch, supposedly behind the pub "Shadow of Death", Golden Grouve Hotel
Spouse - Thomas Richard OLIVER (1860-1933) west Guildford WA - Morawa Hospital WA. Farmer, Gold Prospector, Stock Manager, Inn Keeper, Miner, Publican
Married - 17 Aug 1887 House of Mr. Joseph Wakens, Strawberry, Weslyen House of Worship, WA
Childred: (born Mingenew, Mt Magnet, Yalgoo)
1889-1890 William Henry Oliver
1891-1958 Winifred Elizabeth Oliver
1892-1896 Horace Oliver
1894-1978 Rhoda Leah Oliver
1896-1919 Ivy Church Oliver
1898-1944 Thomas Herbert Hunt Oliver
1899-1976 Edward Charles Oliver
1902-1987 Alma Jane Oliver
1905-1905 George Oliver
1907-1938 Harry Richard Oliver
1908-? Robert Angus Oliver

Susan Mary Herbert
Born - 1872 Irwin River, Western Australia
Died - 24 Dec 1892 Dongara, aged 20 years & 4 months
Buried - 1892 Dongara Cemetery, Western Australia
Spouse - William Joseph FOGARTY (1870-1901)
Married - ?
Child - Asher Daniel Herbert (1891-1958), Cleaner of 196 Anzac Tce, Bassendean, Perth
NOTE ... Asher served in WWI- HERBERT Asher Daniel: Service Number - 2343: Place of Birth - Mingenew WA: Place of Enlistment - Perth WA: Next of Kin - (Brother) HERBERT Jacob George.
... Note how his uncle Jacob was listed as his brother which may lead us to assume that as his mother died when he was an infant he was brought up by her parents, his grandparents, Henry & Leah Herbert. As Jacob was born the same year they were probably close and Asher may have even been told they WERE brothers. Close family descendants may know the story

Louisa Herbert
Born - 23 Mar 1874 Dongara, Western Australia
Died - 31 Oct 1951 Gutha, Western Australia
Buried - 2 Nov 1951 Karrakatta Cemetery, Nedlands, Western Australia - Methodist Section
Spouse - John Thomas METCALFE (1864-1910) Stockton on Tees, Yorkshire - Lake way, Wiluna
Married - 9 Jun 1894 Mingenew, Western Australia
Children: (born Yalgoo & Wiluna)
1895-1951 Jane Metcalfe
1896-1897 Herbert Metcalfe
1897-1987 Forrest Metcalfe
1899-1900 Henry Metcalfe
1901-1976 John Thomas Metcalfe
1902-1965 Harriett Metcalfe
1905-1988 Horace William Metcalfe

Edward Herbert
Born - 19 Jan 1875 Irwin, Western Australia
Died -3 Dec 1947 William Street, Mingenew, Western Australia
Buried - 4 Dec 1947 Methodist Cemetery, Mingenew, Western Australia Grave no. B23
Spouse - Liz(s)ette HUGG/HOGG (?-1947)
Married - 1907 Irwin/Mingenew, Western Australia

Born - 1879 *Irwin, Western Australia
Died - 18 Oct 1961 Sunset Home, Nedlands, Western Australia
Cause - General Steriosclerosis, Senility
Buried - 20 Oct 1961 Karrakatta Cemetery, Nedlands, GRAVESITE 0590, SECTION GA, WESLEYAN AREA
*the Shire of Irwin consists of the towns & localities of Dongara, Allanooka, Arrowsmith, Bookara, Port Denison, Springfield, Yardarino

Maria Jane Herbert
Born - 22 Apr 1881 Geraldton, Western Australia
Died - BEF. 13 Mar 1919 Not 1919, 1918
Buried - ?
Spouse - M WILLIS
Married - possibly didn't marry as her parents wouldn't allow it
Child - Newman Augustus Herbert (1898-1967)

Joseph Forrest Herbert
Born - 16 Oct 1883 Dongara, Western Australia
Served in WWI:
Regimental number - 15151
Religion - Methodist
Occupation - Teamster
Address - Mingenew, Western Australia
Marital status - Single
Age at embarkation - 32
Next of kin Brother, - Joseph George Herbert, Mingenew, Western Australia
Enlistment date - 19 November 1915
Place of Enlistment - Blackboy Hill, WA (more than 10,000 men enlisted from Blackboy Hill)
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll - 17 November 1915
Rank on enlistment - Driver
Unit name - Field Artillery Brigade 10, Reinforcement 3
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/37/3
Embarkation details - Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A35 Berrima on 4 July 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll - Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll - 3rd Light Trench Mortar Battery
Fate - Returned to Australia 12 March 1918
Died - 23 Aug 1945 St. John of God Hospital, Subiaco, Western Australia
Buried - 25 Aug 1945 Karrakatta Cemetery, Nedlands, Western Australia - Methodist Section

Annie Elizabeth (Anna Eliza) Herbert
Born - 7 Feb 1884 Upper Irwin, Western Australia
Died - 5 Jun 1928 Mingenew Western Australia
Buried - 6 Jun 1928 Mingenew Western Australia
Spouse - Charles MURRAY
Married - 2 Aug 1907 Mingenew, Western Australia

Maud Rachel Herbert
Born - 1885 Mingenew Western Australia
Died - 22 Aug 1958 North Midlands District Hospital, Three Springs, Western Australia
Buried - 25 Aug 1958 Three Springs Cemetery, Methodist Section, Row 2, Plot 52
Spouse - Patrick 'Paddy' Samuel HOWARD (1874-1941). Buried Three Springs 23 Nov 1941 Methodist Section, Plot 13
Married - 29 May 1907 Mingenew, Western Australia. They lived in Three Springs

Robert Samuel Herbert
Born - 1887
Regimental number - 2347
Religion - Methodist
Occupation - Butcher
Address - Minginew, Western Australia
Marital status - Single
Age at embarkation - 28
Next of kin - Brother, Jacob George Herbert, Minginew, Western Australia
Enlistment date - 5 May 1916
Rank on enlistment - Private
Unit name - 44th Battalion, 4th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number - 23/61/2
Embarkation details - Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A39 Port Macquarie on 13 October 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll - Private
Unit from Nominal Roll - 44th Battalion
Fate - Died of wounds 4 October 1917
Place of burial - White House Cemetery (Bavaria House Cemetery, Memeorial No. 12), St. Jean-Les-Ypres, Belgium

Jacob George Herbert
Born -15 Jul 1891 Upper Irwin, Western Australia
Died - 22 Jun 1981
Buried - ?
Spouse - Kathleen Mary SHEARN
Child - Eileen Leah herbert (1917-1993), married William DOWLING
Married - 30 Aug 1914, Irwin/Mingenew, Western Australia
NOTE - Jacob was listed as NEXT OF KIN for 2 brothers & a nephew in WWI

the suburb of Claremont, Perth, WA has a Museum with a great deal of early pioneer names and history. Claremont Museum is situated in Mrs Herberts Park, a lovely parkland beside Freshwater Bay, a short walk from the CBD of historic Claremont
The Claremont Museum was originally Mrs Herbert's School built in 1860. It served the Pensioner Guard Community as a school and place of worship and it was the first school between Perth and Fremantle. It remained active until the opening of the State School in Bay View Terrace in 1892.

Mentioned on page 1 of the pdf file is:
* Henry HERBERT, father of Charles Henry Herbert above
... During the Napoleonic wars British soldiers and sailors found themselves on half pay during periods of peace. After the wars however the need for a large army faded and deserving veterans were placed on small allotments within various British colonies. There they could act as a reserve police force. These soliers were called pensioners and in Australia they were used to guard onvicts.
The pensioner guards and their families who were settled at Freshwater Bay arrived on the first convict ship to Western Australia. They were each given a lot beside Freshwater Bay and a second lot at Butler's Swamp (now Lake Claremont)
... The Pensioner Guards settled at Freshwater Bay were:

* Andrew GORDON, Corporal, 40th Regiment
* Michael STOKES, Private, East India Company Artiller
* Robert LINDSAY, Private, 2nd Queens Regiment
* Moses O'KEEFE, Private, Royal African Corps
* HENRY HERBERT, Private, Royal African Corps
* John KINGDON, Private, 43rd Regiment
* Peter MURPHY, Private, 31st Regiment
* Joseph FOOT, Private, 76th Regiment
* John ATKINSON, Private, 2nd Dragoon Guards
* James MURPHY, Private, 19th Regiment
* Michael REDDIN, Sergeant, 61st Regiment
* Thomas McMULLEN, Private, Royal rtillery
* Samuel SUTTON, Private, Royal Marines
* John BARRETT, Private, 61sst Regiment
* Samuel BUTTERWORTH, Acting Corporal, Royal Artillery
* Thomas BANDY, Private, 98th Regiment
* James ROURKE, Private, 27th Regiment
* Charles CLARK, Private, 40th Regiment
* William FINLAY, Private, 97th Regiment
... Source: CLAREMONT A HISTORY: Bolton & Gregory 1999

a lot more interesting reading at that link

headstone of Henry & Leah Herbert at Mingenew
- note incorrect dates for Leah -

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on 2011-11-25 14:29:20

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by janilye on 2011-11-25 19:42:56

Hahaha! trust you to go looking for him. Good on you ng. It fits in with out little 'Dongara' project too. Which I was thinking I have to get back to.

by ngairedith on 2011-11-25 19:54:57

Hi jan,

that is exactly what I was thinking at 3am this morning when I was searching for him. There is a lot of Dongara connections around him which reminded me of 'our' large, (put-aside-for-now) journal :)

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