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David Earl Lindsay. came to NZ1856. Does any one know them

Question by Tiko

Been stuck on this one for 15 years and no one knows

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on 2012-12-09 23:25:33

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by ngairedith on 2012-12-11 16:54:56

David Earl Lindsay arrived in New Zealand from America with William Miller. They were in partnership together:
13 June 1868 - in NAPIER
... It is hereby agreed by and between the undersigned WILLIAM MILLER and DAVID EARL LINDSAY, both of Napier, in the Province of Hawke's Bay, Builders, hitherto carrying on business in co-partnersip together, at Napier, aforesaid, under the style or firm of "Miller and Lindsay," that the said partnership shall cease, determine and be dissolved by mutual agreement, as and from the fifteenth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight
- WILLIAM MILLER & DAVID EARL LINDSAY. Witness, Joshua Cuff, Colicitor, Napier
... In reference to the above notice of dissolution of the partnership hitherto existing between us, the undersigned, it is requested that all accounts against the late firm be sent in forthwith for liquidation, and that ll monies due to the same be paid without delay, to either, whose respective receipt shall be a sufficient discharge for all moneys paid to him on account of the said firm
THE undersigned begs to inform his friends and the public that the business heretofore carried on by the firm of "Miller and Lindsay," will for the future be conducted by himself alone; and trusts to merit as large a share of the public patronage as has been nestowed upon the late firm. DAVID EARL LINDSAY, Napier, June 11, 1888
- THE Undersigned, William Miller, in retiring from the late firm of "Miller and Lindsay," begs to thank the public for the support received during the time they have carried on business in Napier; and trusts that a continuance of that support will be bestowed upon his late partner, David Earl Lindsay, who will for the future carry on the said business on his own behalf. WILLIAM MILLER, Napier, June 11, 1868

the ship they arrived on not yet found, but David married in New Zealand in 1856

by Tiko on 2012-12-11 19:08:27

Thank you for what you wrote but have all this as I say we have been on it for 15 years and can not crack it yet. We have all papers past in formation but have nothing for Aussie as yet . Why I say this is he would have come out at a time of poverty and he had money when he got to Wellington so we think he must have done OK at the Gold fields in Aussie but can not find any reference to him We have his married cert but is hard to read but the date could be 29th or 19th. They had to get permission to marry as she was too young . We have no information on his family back in Ayr Scotland. Thank you for this it is most appreciated

by Tiko on 2015-01-02 00:06:09

Still looking for this person and still no further ahead
Any clues,

by asheppard on 2015-01-02 01:24:45

Does his marriage or death certificate give his parents details names and occupation anything to go on.

There are quite a few Lindsay families in Ayr

by Tiko on 2015-01-02 14:36:54

No they don't unfortunately ,I only wish they did. What I was hoping was that his friend Miller may have been a friend in Ayr and gone to the same school and found some thing that way. The passenger list give nothing away that I have found so far and we have the month he arrived so it is so frustrating . The only thing is the way he spells his name as Earel which is different.In the Bible he wrote his name this way and had Ayr and no parents names but all his down line was there ---well a lot of it.
Any clues would be great.

by asheppard on 2015-01-02 16:59:20

Does the bible give a date of birth for him, and are any of the children William Hannah or Jean??

by asheppard on 2015-01-02 17:52:13

I had a look at ngairedith journal post for the names.

I did find this it's way way early but you may be able to work forward to David it was the name that caught my attention

Baptism record
Name: David Earl Crawford Lindsay
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 Mar 1576
Baptism Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Father: David Earl Crawford Lindsay
Mother: Lilias Drummond
FHL Film Number: 1040383

Their marriage
Name: David Lyndsey
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 12 Feb 1572
Marriage Place: Perth,Perth,Scotland
Spouse: Lylias Drummond
FHL Film Number: 1040133

I've come across a couple of other entries in marriages with fathers
John Earl Crawford Lindsay
William Earl of Crawford Lindsay

John's entry appears also as
John Earl of Crawford Lindsay

and this one
Alexander Earl Balcarres Lindsay
Name: Alexander Earl Balcarres Lindsay
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1640
Marriage Place: Leslie,Fife,Scotland
Father: David Lindsay
Mother: Sophia Seton
Spouse: Anne Mackenzie
FHL Film Number: 1040386

I'm wondering if sometime after his marriage to Lilias that David was made Earl of Crawford as it seems to carry through a few generations.

by Tiko on 2015-01-02 18:12:26

he never married Lillias as he married Elizabeth Brown 29/9/1856

by janilye on 2015-01-02 18:54:40

NO! that was 1572 Asheppard was merely showing you earlier 'LINDSAYs'

If he arrived in New Zealand from America why would you think he spent time in Australia between the two. If you're thinking gold; it wasn't discovered in nsw till 1851 and the Californian rush was in 1848. Some little thing must have pushed you to think Australia. He was married in 1856. Where was that? If in NZ, it would have been a very quick visit to Aus.

by Tiko on 2015-01-02 20:30:35

I never said he spent time in Aussie but he got his money from some where and that was why I thought being in USA he may have been onto the gold but this is just guessing. His wife came from New castle on Tyne and then to Australia. Did the boat call in to Aussie on the way out as they were soon married when he reached Wellington . yes we have seen earlier Lindsays as well and there is a David Lindsay who had children the same names like Jane, Agnes David etc but he was born 1826 with a wife as Agnes as we have been told Davids wife was called .

by Tiko on 2015-01-02 23:18:33

I have found David Earel Lindsay in US papers but have not been able to access them as yet . There wouldn't be more than one could there with this spelling?

by janilye on 2015-01-03 01:20:32

not very likely

by janilye on 2015-01-03 01:33:41

This probably doesn't mean anything but I thought I would throw it in the mix.

I found A David Lindsay who arrived in Australia from San Francisco on the American 372 ton barque 'Isabella' ( Capt. Harrison) but not until 15 December 1854, ticket paid in full.This vessel left San Francisco 20 September 1854.
PassengersâMessrs. J. H. Scrutton, Rowett, Bartholemew,
Hathaway, Parker, Hammond, Alfred, Phillips, and 60 in the steerage. I do not have a full list.
I'm not for one minute suggesting that the above is your LINDSAY merely showing you a time when miners were arriving here from America, and the Lindsay family did have a connection with San Francisco.
Between 1852 and 1861 over 342,000 people arrived.
In March 1853, 3 tons of gold was shipped from Sydney in 3 days.
That news reached San Francisco and the rush from California began.

by Tiko on 2015-01-03 01:41:00

Yes I understand what you are saying and it could be him as we are relying on a chaps written verse at his funeral saying that he came from USA with William Miller and maybe he didn't.Maybe he knew his wife to be before Wellington.
Thanks for that, worth looking at.

by janilye on 2015-01-03 05:25:34

Well my personal opinion for what it's worth is that he didn't come to Australia but just like the man said in the obituary, he went directly to New Zealand. I cannot find any evidence of him in Australia.

by Tiko on 2015-01-03 13:34:02

Yes that is our thinking too .

by asheppard on 2015-01-03 18:37:59

You mentioned that you found him in US papers, what papers??, perhaps we could access them.

by Tiko on 2015-01-03 19:36:27

I hate admitting this but I don't know. I was searching in one sight and it had US papers of that time so I just typed in David Earel Lindsay and there were several in different places and I have tried to find it again but to no avail. I said I found him which is not correct I found the name Earel which I don't think many would have that spelling. Sorry . I think I put in 1854 and then the name,

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