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Does anyone know who Josiah Fletcher's parents were in Manchester UK

Query by edf

Josiah Fletcher born in 1816 married Anne Bird in 1836 at Manchester Cathedral and they immigrated to Port Phillip bay onboard the Barque Salsette in 1842.
Josiah Fletcher tragically drowned at Merri Creek in 1845 and Anne married George Hall in December 1845

Josiah. b. 1816 had a step sister Martha b. 1806 who married John Ralphs, I believed they had the same mother Mary (Foden) Fletcher however Martha's father Josiah Fletcher(victualler of old Hall) died of fever in 1811,

Question is who did Mary (Foden) Fletcher re-marry ? was it John Fletcher ? and what relation was he to Josiah Fletcher who died of fever in 1811

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on 2013-12-27 21:13:34

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by markav on 2013-12-28 08:39:17

Hi I have Josiah Birth 4 Jun 1811 and Baptised 28 July 1811,Liverpool St Nicholas, Lancashire. Mother Mary Foden father Josiah Fletcher.

by lynda1 on 2014-01-03 05:13:33

Edf There were to many Edmunds,Georges,Josiahs,and Johns.Was John Clifton Fletcher
your ggrandfather?I have some HOLES in my Fletcher line.But l want to figure out whos who.

by steve74 on 2014-01-03 18:22:36
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by edf on 2014-01-03 18:31:31

Lynd1, Josiah and Anne's eldest son Edmund, your G.G.Grandfather Georges elder brother was my great grandfather and their are 4 Edmundsin the same line...edf

by edf on 2014-01-03 18:37:44

Hi Markov, Josiah born to Josiah victialler of old hall and Mary (Foden) Fletcher on the 28 July-1811 died in the same year, Josiah the father died in the same year, these are not the parents of Josiah born in 1816... edf

by edf on 2014-01-03 19:37:28

steve74, thanks for posting the transcript of the ownership dispute over the house that Josiah built, I hadn't read it in its entirety however had read the published newspaper report

Edmund left Victoria after the trial and moved to Mullaway station on the Murray river as a stockman where he met his wife Margaret O'Brien who was a house maid at the station
They married in Albury in 1861 and moved to Jerilderie then to Urana NSW Edmund d. 1899 and Margaret d. 1916.....edf

by lynda1 on 2014-01-03 23:20:17

Edf. Found my Edmund m Margaret O'Brien papers. Please correct.
They had 9 children. Edmund, Caroline, Sarah Jane, do you know where she was born? l know it was NSW. George , Margaret Also in NSW .Do you know where ?Emily, May, Edmund and John J .Then l will have that straight.
The only thing l need for this post is about "places" for Sarah and Margaret.
Thanks Lynda



by edf on 2014-01-04 01:39:33

lynda1 you are correct Edmund and Margaret did have 9 children,5 girls and 4 boys, George b.1874 d. 1875 and is buried with his father in Jerilderie

Most of the children were born in Jerilderie NSW and moved to Urana NSW. some of the girls moved interstate after they married and Edmund b. 1870 moved to Fremantle

Most of the girls lived happily to old age and the boys all died fairly young, some unfortunately tragically ...hope that assists you

by lynda1 on 2014-01-05 04:04:11

Edf Don't know if this fits anywhere. John Fletcher.m Mary Hilton 25 Oct 1804
From Family Search.

by edf on 2014-01-05 18:26:36

Lynda, I am not certain but the dates all fit married 1804 if you look at the original handwritten immigration manifest for the Barque Salsette for Josiah and Anne Fletcher, Josiah's age was given as 34 years, Josiah & Mary (Hilton) had a son Josiah born in 1807, Salsette sailed in 1841 which does make Josiah's age 34 years it all fits.
However if you look at other sailing documents for the Salsette, it gives Josiah's age at 24 years born in 1816, possible son of schoolmaster John and mother Mary and his death certificate issued in 1845, states his age as 29 years at date of death. b. 1816 d. 1845...29 years of age, we seem to have two Josiah's hope you can shed a bit more light on the subject....edf

by lynda1 on 2014-01-05 23:35:28

Edf Have to wait for week to look up shipping records.I think "Josiah" and Mary
had a son who died.Then had another son named Josiah who m Ann Bird.

by lynda1 on 2014-01-06 01:24:17

Edf. Baptism 1809. Josiah Fletcher Son of Thomas and Mary (formally) Foden.
Occupation Victually.
Also in paper, Relphs 1908. Lara Fletcher wife of J Relphs -a daughter. ----
This means nothing -but.

by edf on 2014-01-09 21:56:45

Hi Lynda, Josiah (son) born in 1809 to (father) Josiah and Mary (Foden) Fletcher, lived for three months and died the same year died, Josiah and Mary had another son also named Josiah born in 1811, he also died in 1811 after living for only 5 months and his (father) Josiah died in the same year,1811, sadly leaving Mary (Foden) Fletcher a widow with only one living child Martha (Foden) Fletcher who was born in 1806......and went onto to marry John Ralphs in 1832, Josiah and Mary (Foden) Fletcher are not our G.G.G. Grandfathers parents and it confused me for over 12 months until I had a colleague in Manchester research it for me

However your latest research on Thomas Fletcher and Mary (Foden) Fletcher who had a son Josiah who married Anne Bird is very promising, it must be a different Mary (Foden) Fletcher, can you please forward more details as this may be our G.G.G.G. Grandparents ....good work Edf

by edf on 2014-01-10 21:20:05

Hi Lynda, I see from your previous research that you may have found out what happened to Ann (Bird) Fletcher, Hall, if so could you update me on where she is buried, date of death and did she re-marry after George Hall....many thanks, edf

by lynda1 on 2014-01-11 04:43:58

Edf, Looked through my records for Ann next to death is 1873 .and nothing else.
Don't know anything else.No notes attached -no Reg no. I haven't found anything
about her. Lynda1

by edf on 2014-01-11 17:00:16

Hi Lynda1, the Ann (nee Stevens) Hall who died in 1873 at Green Gully in Vic. is buried alongside a young man whose name was Ibbotson, she isn't our G.G. Grandmother.
I think Ann (nee Bird, Fletcher) Hall may be buried at the old St James church in Docklands Vic, where Josiah is buried and the same church where she married George Hall...needs some research to prove....however I don't know if she remarried or not
as Ann is proving a mystery...edf

by edf on 2014-01-16 01:11:23

lynda1, did you find out anymore about Thomas and Mary Fletcher.....edf

by lynda1 on 2014-01-16 04:41:57

Edf. Look up , Lancashire OnLine Parish .I don't know where Ann is,or where she went but her Cawthorne -Hall turned up in Walhalla.

by lynda1 on 2014-01-16 04:47:21

Edf. Will look up Fiche next week for-----.

by lynda1 on 2014-01-16 05:30:07

Edf. Do you know anything about Edmonds The Jeweller?

by edf on 2014-01-16 07:58:56

lynda1, Liela Mary Fletcher b. in 1918 in Boulder married John Edmund Edmonds in Kalgoolie in 1940, Liela died in Crewe England on the 26 July-2001 and it was she that did most of the early Fletcher family research many years ago. Liela and John Edmonds had 4 children, Barry, Marion, John & Trevor and to my knowledge they all live in WA. Liela's parents were Josiah George Fletcher and Beatrice Jane Grylls married on the 24-08-1907 at St George cathedral Perth. The Edmonds family originally came from South Petherton Somerset UK and arrived at Port Phillip Bay in 1851......trust this helps edf

by lynda1 on 2014-01-25 23:44:54

Edf Sorry but my research doesn't go that far.Who was Josiah George Fletcher's
parents?Was it John Clifton or Edmund's? Lynda1

by lynda1 on 2014-01-27 04:24:58

Edf Found inform about Josiah and Beatrice.When George Hall m Ann,she used Fletcher as her surname. Also do you have,?I have a book with names from Narrandera.
Living 1949 1970 at school. Barbara, Christopher, David, Frances,Jacki,Lenore,Marilyn Mark, Sue, If any names there ,will write
more. Lynda1

by edf on 2014-01-28 04:10:14

lynda1, Josiah Georges parents were George Fletcher and Emily Tonkin, I think that Josiah George and James Edmund who both lived and died in the WA goldfields must have gone to Western Australia with Edmund, the son of Edmund Fletcher buried in Jerilderie NSW
The Fletcher's in Narrandera to my knowledge are not related to us and there is also another family of Fletchers who currently live in Colamberlie NSW, they are also not related.
I found a John and Anne Fletcher buried in the cemetery at Urana NSW, they are also not related to us.....that is interesting that Ann used Fletcher as her surname after marrying George Hall...I looked at Ibottson and Cawthorne as per your mail and found that and Ibbotson and Cawthorne served together in the Tasmanian Light Horse during the Boer war 1899 to 1902

by lynda1 on 2014-01-28 05:18:07

Edf Ann used "Fletcher" for her surname when she married George hall. Good to know about John+Ann l have them in the " Don't know if that fits".tree

by tonkin on 2014-01-28 05:50:54


When Ann married George HALL in 1846 she was recorded by her previous married
name of FLETCHER.

When George and Ann's daughter Carol was baptised in 1848 Ann was recorded
by her correct maiden name of BIRD.

by edf on 2014-01-28 07:41:43

Tonkin , lynda1 that is interesting, why would Ann go by her maiden name ?
The grave stone at Urana simply states JOHN FLETCHER beloved husband of ANN FLETCHER who died at Coonambell on the 11 Oct 1881 age 60 years, the words were very weathered when I took a photo, also buried some distance away in the same cemetery is Margaret Fletcher my G.G Grandmother, the wife of Edmund who died in 1899, buried in the same grave is John Josiah Fletcher who drowned and George Fletcher who died after been thrown from his horse

by lynda1 on 2014-01-29 03:42:06

Edf Looked up Fiche today.Fletcher. Couldn't get copy this week.
Fletcher. Josiah m Hannah Renshaw. Will go back next week.Didn't write down what year.same cathedral Manchester. Josiah m Mary Foden,was there,Josiah Fletcher m
Ann Bird. Also; Melbourne Directory 1847.HALL George,carpenter,Bourke St.

HALL Ann Laundress, ditto.

From Reference Book.

by lynda1 on 2014-01-29 18:33:06

Edf ,Forgot,George Hall was living same place,Melbourne 1841.

by edf on 2014-02-06 00:35:19

Lynda1, I will contact the local historians in both Jerilderie and Urana to see if Ann- Bird- Fletcher- Hall or "Cawthorne" lived or is buried in either of those towns between 1850 - 1870 and see what turns up, she may have gone to live with her daughter in law, Margaret after George Hall died....edf

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