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I have been doing a lot of research on my original
ancestor, Captain John King, who was born most likely in
1629 at Boyle Abbey, Boyle, Roscommon, Ireland. However,
there is a possibility that date is wrong. I just think
that is the most likely year he was born. He is listed
as possible immigrating to Massachusetts in 1645 at the
Age of 16. He is alleged to have married a Sarah Conway,
who was born in Dublin, Ireland.

As far as who his parents are, I think the most commonly
listed information (that he is the Son of Sir John King)
is incorrect. If you go to the various websites about
the History Of Boyle, Ireland, Sir John King was born
between 1560 and 1580 in Stafford, Yorkshire, England.
Who is father is I cannot find anywhere. He became a
hugely powerful landowner in Boyle, of which he settled
in 1603 there. He had several children, none of whom
are mentioned as having to ever traveled to America.
In addition, his son Edward King, born in 1612, attended
Cambridge University, met John Milton, and later was
eulogized in a famous poem by Milton.

I don't believe that Captain John King is Sir John King's
son. What I have seen on other websites is more
plausible. Reverend Edward King was born in 1577 at
Stukely,Cambridgeshire, England (the hometown of British
Prime Minister John Major). His father was Thomees
King. No information about him, except that he was born
at Magdalen Laver, Essex, England in 1550. In the late
1590s Edward King attended the first years of Trinity
College, Dublin. In 1604, he got his Master's from
Cambridge University. He married Anne Coxsed of
Cambridgeshire (1577 - 1626) in 1609.
From 1611 to
1639, Reverend Edward King was Bishop of Elphin, Ireland
for the Anglican Church. He had fifteen children between
his two wives. He remarried a Grace Sampson, daughter
of Thomas Sampson, a Anglican minister who leaned towards
puritanism in thinking. In 1611, he had a son named
James. In 1612, he had a son named John.

The Son John (1612 - ?) has no information whatsover on
his life. Now, if Captain John King was born in 1629,
the Son John would have had his namesake child at the
tender Age of 17. However, if Captain John King is
actually the Son of Reverend Edward King, the reverend
would have been 51 years old. However, Grace Sampson is
said to have had children, and thus she was probably at
least twenty years younger than her spouse. Therefore,
if the Son of Reverend King, his Mother would have to be
Grace Sampson, if he was born in 1629 (because Anne
Coxsed died in 1626).

There is another possibility. Captain John King may
actually have been born in 1612, and be the John listed
as Reverend Edward King's son. The 1629 date may have
been confused with the date of birth of Sir John King of
Boyles' son John.

Confused? Yes, you should be. Basically, however, I
don't believe that websites that claim that Captain
John King is the Son of Sir John King and Catherine
Drury (a direct descendant of Edward King). I am sorry
to disappoint those who want their ancestor to be
related to Winston Churchill and Princess Diana through
Catherine Drury, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

I will tell you, however, that if Captain John King is
the child or grandchild of Reverend Edward King, you are
also getting a good deal. Reverend Edward King got his
Bachelor's and Doctorate from Trinity College and his
Master's from Cambridge University. He is listed as
the "Archbishop of the Anglican Church Of Ireland".

I guess, either way, it is not nice to know that Reverend
Edward King and Sir John King were both invaders. There is the
downside, too. Irish Catholics see the two of them as
the representatives of an alien English Protestant
invasion. Sir John King had a few tens of thousands of
acres of land in Ireland. He also was a military leader
who crushed Irish rebellion.

Reverend Edward King is listed as a good bishop, but
still his Kilmore Estate was raided and taken over in the
early 1640s (after his death) by Irish Catholic rebels.
His second wife, Grace Sampson, is listed as being the
unwilling hostesses of the rebels.

Surnames: King Sampson Drury
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Comments

by Doug177 on 2014-11-30 11:50:20

In the age of DNA testing have there been any refinements to your hypothesis?

by lizjohnson on 2016-03-25 23:34:51

I found a Google Book on the family of Sir John King and Catherine Drury King. It appeared that because they were aristocracy, all their male children were appointed to official positions in Ireland and none emigrated. Is Captain John King the same as John King of Weymouth? I thought Catherine Drury King was his mother for the longest time, then broke the connection on realizing my error. I checked and John King of Weymouth had no parents attached.... still doesn't.

by StephenD on 2018-05-04 11:06:27

It appears that Catherine King (nee Drury) died in 1617, so if Captain John King was born in 1629, well, the implication is obvious! However, as I don't know when Catherine was born, she may have been the good Captain's mother (i.e. still of child-bearing age) if he was born in 1612. It's also possible that Sir John King married for a second time after 1617, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that this is the case.
You seem to be stating that Catherine is a direct descendant of Edward King (whoever he is) but I can find no reference to the King family in the Drury family tree. Nor can I find any link to the Churchill or Spencer families. Perhaps you could elaborate on the information you have.

by StephenD on 2018-05-04 11:34:51

Correction: I can find no reference to the King family in the Drury family tree OTHER THAN THE MARRIAGE OF CATHERINE DRURY TO SIR JOHN KING.

by JohnKingDescendant on 2018-08-04 20:07:42

Since the time I wrote this, I have found genealogical websites that list John King of Northampton, Massachusetts as the Son of Reverend Edward King. I always found it a great coincidence that John King and Edward King lived in Boyle and Elphin, just some miles apart. Some websites state that they are brothers and both sons of Thomasee King of Magdalen Laver in Essex. Problem is that John was born in Northampton and Edward in Great Stukeley, which are pretty far apart. I noticed that there is a big difference between Town Of Birth and Town Of Baptism. Maybe, there was a mistake made there. The good news is that Magdalen Laver is between Great Stukeley and Magdalen Laver. John King had stated that hee was descended from Sir John King of Northampton, England, but he may have been trying to enhance his resume in America. Whether John and Edward were actual brothers or not, I found that John King, Sr. had a son John who died in a boating accident, and the John Milton wrote a poem about his Cambridge friend's passing. I figured out that John King, even with his marriage, would have been probably too old or too young to be Father or Grandfather to John King of Northampton, Massachusetts. John King became a well known and liked New Englander. There is a biography of him on the Internet. Most likely John King of Northampton, Massachusetts, was the Grandson of Reverend Edward King, who had fifteen children between his wives (One passed away, and he remarried Grace Sampson). The first son was James, and the second was John, 1611. John could have easily been 18 when he had a son named John (1629). Best bet is that John King of Northampton, Massachusetts is the Grandson of Reverend Edward King. Is it a bad thing not to be royalty? I don't think so. I cannot go up to Queen Elizabeth and say "Hey 'cuz!" anyway. Reverend Edward King got his Bachelor's from Trinity College in Dublin, Class of 1599, which made him part of the first students at this school which was founded in 1597. He got his Masters' from Cambridge, and PhD from Trinity. A PhD in the early 1600s is nothing to frown upon. I figure two things. If John King of Northampton, Massachusetts was the Son of John, the Second Son of Edward, in those days the Second Son inherited nothing. Plus, an English Protestant kid in Catholic Ireland, maybe not so good. John King came to America in 1645 at the Age of 16. He was a founder of Northampton, Massachusetts and very well liked by the common people of the town. He married into the Family of Judge William Clarke. Both Clarke and King signed the document that opened up New England to greater settlement. There is the wars they participated in where King Phillip of The Massanoit People was killed and a slave that was executed during that time. All was not rosy, but still very interesting. I am glad that there are extensive biographies on both William Clarke and John King. Not much is known for sure about what their lives were like before they immigrated. Their descendant, Simeon King, immigrated to Wisconsin and opened up the first bookstore there. The King Family married into the Purdy Family (Probably from England).

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