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on 2013-04-02 07:33:43

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by janilye on 2013-04-02 08:51:20

I corrected it earlier

by janilye on 2013-04-02 08:58:48
by itellya on 2013-04-05 01:43:10

Crown allotments 13-18 of the parish of Frankson were separated from the grants of John Edward Sage by the future (and past!)Mornington-Baxter railway and from the southern half of Baxter's Carrup Carrup pre-emptive right by the n.w. to s.e. Baxter-Moorooduc boundary in Melway 106 H7 and J8.Sumner Rd was also a boundary between Sage's 324 acres and Sumner's c/a 13. It had a road frontage to Three Chain (Moorooduc) Rd of 1674 metres and frontage to the north side of Eramosa Rd(to number 214) of 2078 metres.

The grants in the parish of Moorooduc were the Ballanrong pre-emptive right of 640 acres (bounded by Bungower, Moorooduc and Mornington Tyabb Rds with a Bungower Rd frontage of 1993 metres to the west) and the land east of Derril Rd from Eramosa Rd to Mornington-Tyabb Rd, frontages being 1410 metres and 1470 metres, respectively, to the east.

by itellya on 2013-04-05 21:17:56

Having failed to find a parish of Moorooduc map online, I used the technique that located the Frankston parish map and googled MOOROODUC,COUNTY OF MORNINGTON, and there it was.

Moorooduc, County of Mornington [cartographic material] / photo ...
Moorooduc, County of Mornington [cartographic material] / photo-lithographed at the Department of Lands and Survey, Melbourne, by J. Noone. Victoria. Dept. of ...

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Moorooduc, County of Mornington [cartographic material] / drawn ...
Moorooduc, County of Mornington [cartographic material] / drawn and reproduced at the Dept. of Lands and Survey, Melbourne, Victoria. Victoria. Dept. of Crown ...
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by itellya on 2013-04-08 03:56:17

by itellya on 2013-04-11 23:03:08

by itellya on 2013-04-11 23:39:10

Two words that often escape my lips are: I wonder.... In relation to the previous comment this occurred thrice. Was the parish of Lyndhurst north of the Halfway Hotel P.R.? How on earth did I miss "a oral" when I proof-read the comment? Could I find the Lyndhurst parish map to see if James McMahon had grants there?

Using the same trick that helped me find the Frankston, Moorooduc and Blackwood parish maps, I googled LYNDHURST, COUNTY OF MORNINGTON. (Blackwood is in the county of Bourke.)

James McMahon didn't have grants along the coast north of the Halfway Hotel, whose northern boundary was the Frankston/Lyndhurst parish boundary (on Long Island.)

by itellya on 2013-04-12 04:53:34

The answer to the second question in the previous comment is that I'm a dill. The fact that I clicked SUBMIT before I finished the comment confirms it!

Hugh and R.Brown, A.Rawlings, Frankston pioneer Mark Young, James McMahon and C.Wedge were among the grantees in the parish of Lyndhurst, the first three just south of Mordialloc Creek. A Rawlings was possibly Alf Rawlings who later owned The Thicket at Rosebud (now Warranilla Ave and the other curving streets between Boneo Rd and First Avenue south of Hope St.) Browns Reserve (Melway 192 J2) was probably excised from Hugh Brown's grant when the secondary drain was built.

J.Keys and R.McMahen (sic), executors of James McMahen (sic), were granted crown allotment 119 of 175 acres on 25-2-1879. It was slap-bang in the middle of the swamp. With roads un-named and no longer extant roads and drains, it is hard to determine the property's location. It was on the north east side of Wells Rd about 66 chains south east of Edithvale Rd,its frontage probably being that of Ashley Business Park and its north east (back) boundary being a continuation of Soden Rd. It is not surprising that J.Keys was an executor and the McMahons and Wells were related because this property was between the grants of T.Keys and H.Wells.

The incorrect spelling on the parish map has been perpetuated in the name of McMahens Rd (Melway 94 C12) alongside the Patterson River Water Sport Area. Crown allotment 110 of almost 194 acres was granted to M.McMahen (sic) on 8-5-1882. Between it and Pillars Rd was crown allotment 112 of 194 acres, granted to J.Keys. M.McMahon's grant fronted the Eumemmering Channel (which flowed into the Carrum Creek,renamed the Patterson River for reasons outlined in the article about Hugh Brown)with its south west boundary (at a right angle to McMahens Rd) to the bend in the Springs Drain (Melway 94 A11.) As Rossiter Rd no longer exists,it is hard to be positive, but the grant probably includes Greenpatch and Homestead Drives.

Wedge's Banyan Waterholes Run has been mentioned previously and his pre-emptive right of 640 acres was south of the Boundary Rd frontage of the Eastern treatment plant (western 700 metres), extending a similar distance west of the Rossiter Rd corner. Many other grants to the Wedge brothers are shown.

by itellya on 2013-04-12 05:52:43

This journal was intended to be about the 1850's but a chat with my next door neighbour,Gordon Boyington (who has just returned home from a spell in hospital ) changed that. As you might realise,previous chats with Gordon resulted in my journal about his experiences in Moonee Ponds,Father Tucker's Settlement at Carrum Downs, Frankston etc.

Gordon was the second person to buy land on The Pines Estate in Frankston North. As a boy living on Father Tucker's Settlement, his ramblings often took him to the vicinity of the Frankston Pier.The McMahons were fishermen and would return to the Melbourne side of the Frankston Pier with their nets full of fish. Once Gordon helped them pull in their nets to get the fish out but when he asked for a fish to take home to his needy family, he was refused, so that was the last time he helped them.

Gordon and his son,Terry, were adamant that McLelland Drive, the boundary of the parishes of Frankston and Langwarrin,was known as Boundary Rd.

by itellya on 2013-04-12 06:56:59

Two other grantees in the parish of Lyndhurst attracted my attention. One,J.A.Gamble, might have been Frankston's undertaker (Mr Gamble) or his ancestor. The other was William John Turner "Big" Clarke who bought land wherever it was available. Another was J.Lord from whose descendant much of the land for Melbourne Airport, west of the present "Glenara",was probably acquired circa 1960.M.Quinlan, might have been Maurice Quinlan, subject of two of my journals, bookmaker, owner of much land in Airport West and Oaklands Rd, Bulla, and owner of "Aberfeldie" at Essendon.Another grantee that did not surprise me was Hugh Glass who owned much of Flemington/Ascot Vale and crown allotment 14 Wannaeue between Boneo Rd and First Avenue, the southern half of which became Alf Rawlings' "The Thicket". Glass and Big Clarke were probably the catalysts for the Land Acts of the early 1860's, which required buyers to live on their purchases.
Blois and Butchart's pre-emptive right and J.T.Smith's grants have a connection with Beleura at Mornington and Nyora (Ranelagh) at Mt Eliza.

by itellya on 2013-04-12 23:52:29

In an effort to confirm my assumption that McMahen (on the Lyndhurst parish map and in the name of the road on the northern bank of the Water Sports Centre) was a spelling mistake I turned to trove. I'm none the wiser as both versions,McMahon and McMahen,were mentioned in relation to Carrum. Noel McMahen, a great of the Melbourne Football Club in its multiple premiership era about half a century ago, went to the Demons from Mordialloc Football Club. Hopefully investigation into the
Mordialloc Farmers' Common, Mr McMann having been said to have been the manager, might provide clarification. The following, an extract from Jill Barnard's piece on Chelsea, comes from the eMelbourne website.

(3196, 30 km SE, Kingston City)
Before its absorption into the City of Kingston in 1995, the municipality of Chelsea covered the narrow stretch of coastal sandy ridges and former swampland between Mordialloc and Frankston. Initially both the coastal area and the swampy, flood-prone land were known as Carrum, with the name Chelsea derived from a London borough, first used in 1907 for a new railway station on the Frankston line. The Shire of Dandenong administered the district.

In the mid-19th century James McMahon's Long Beach squatting run covered the coastal district, while a lone fisherman, John Watkins, had a shack near present-day Aspendale by the mid-1860s. The road to the Mornington Peninsula, now the Nepean Highway, followed the coast inland of the dunes. When the area was first surveyed in 1865, it was the coastal strip, dubbed 'the Long Beach' and now comprising Aspendale, Edithvale, Chelsea, Bonbeach and Carrum, that was first offered for sale. Some of the first buyers established farms and market gardens. William Coleman built the Bridge Hotel near Mordialloc Bridge and James McMahon opened the Half-Way House, later known as the Carrum Pub. The Carrum Swamp was gazetted as the Mordialloc Farmers' Common in 1861, but 10 years later was offered for sale by selection. Unfortunately, few selectors could build on or improve their flood-prone properties. During the 1870s and 1880s the Dandenong Roads Board and the Lands Department carried out swamp drainage work, but homes were subject to flooding until the 1950s.

by itellya on 2013-04-13 10:49:21


The apology first. When I look now at the Ballanrong pre-emptive right on the copy of the Moorooduc parish map that I obtained at the Public Records Office, I see:

The full stops in P.R. are very faint and the ones between 18 and 5 and 8 are almost invisible. There is no space between the numerals except between the 8 and the 5. The final 8 is only evident through a powerful magnifying glass.

I have stated on several occasions that Sumner was granted the pre-emptive right in 1858 for reasons that may now seem obvious. When I was researching for the Yuille entry in my EARLY LANDOWNERS IN THE PARISHES OF MOOROODUC, FRANKSTON etc journal, I discovered that Archibald Yuille held the Ballanrong Run from 1852 until the lease was cancelled in 1857. Looking at the P.R. on my map (without the magnifying glass), I read the date as 1856 and decided to see if there was a date on the online map (MOOROODUC,COUNTY OF MORNINGTON.)

There was: 18.5.80! Good old T.J. was instantly deleted from the early landowners journal, making this NEW journal necessary to retain the information and to correct a serious error.

by itellya on 2013-04-16 04:49:50

MR CHARLES DOREY! At last I have found why William Vale referred to Mr Dory's pre-emptive right. I almost deleted the Dory/Doery/Dorey information from the journal as it seemed irrelevant but now I'm glad I didn't.

It annoys me when there is a mystery, so today I set out to solve it. I found out that there was a Dorey St in Frankston near Playne St and contiguous to the railway. It no longer exists by that name and may have been Plaza Lane.

There was also a letter from the Public Works Department to Mornington Shire Council about the length of the road on Mr Dorey's estate; this could have meant Daveys Bay Rd or Old Mornington Rd. It cost a lady her life and the testimony of a Mornington resident and(I think) a future Rye pioneer, David Allison, to indicate that James Davey's pre-emptive right had become the property of Charles Dorey.

Here follow two extracts from a report* of an inquest into the death of Miss Selina Coates, who had apparently been a guest of the Grice family. Dorey's Gully would refer to the gully at Melway 101 H-J 8 where Old Mornington Rd crosses Kackeraboite Creek,the northern boundary of James Davey's P.R. As Mr Dorey's gate is mentioned after the gully, it is likely that Mr Dorey had also purchased one or both of William Wooley's crown allotments 11 and 17 on the Frankston side of the creek. As Mr C. Davey's gate is later mentioned it is likely that he had James Davey's 30 acre c/a13 or William (Old Man Davey)Davey's c/a 14 of 85 acres on the inland side of the highway. Davey's gate and Dorey's gate may also have been one and the same.

The route taken between Grice's and Dorey's Gully would have been the highway to Wooralla Drive, a hundred metres or so straight into Mt Eliza Way south and then turning to the right when the south east corner of the pre-emptive right was reached (start of Mt Eliza Way north.) After 935 links (186 metres) the coaches would veer left into Point Nepean Rd (Old Mornington Rd); the present highway was not reserved until 1922.

(*P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Standard, 30-4-1884.)
D. Allison. was then examined, and stated he resided at Mornington and was driving for Mr. Pope. Remembered the evening of the 16th inst., and drove from Mornington to Frankston, leaving about 6.30 and some little time in advance of Cobb and Co.'s coach. Was driving two horses and had eight passengers. Saw the coach on the road and behind. I kept ahead until arriving at Dorey's Gully, where the other coach passed me. Grogan was driving, and kept just ahead of me about 100 yards until coming to top of hill known as Oliver's Hill.

I did not notice anything on coming down the hill about C. Davey's gate.

The other driver, James Grogan's testimony included:
I then proceeded steadily on, nothing unusual occurring until descending the last hill leading to the beach at Frankston. I had the horses well in hand and the break hard on to just below Mr.Payne's gate. ..... I believe I fell off nearly op- posite Chas. Dorey's gate, but cannot be certain.

by itellya on 2013-04-17 09:03:01

by itellya on 2013-04-17 09:17:02

STEVE74:23rd January 1902 The Argus
McMAHON. -On the 22nd January, at her residence, "Tyrone" Ormond-road, Elsternwick, Maria McMahon. Late of Frankston aged 91 years,dearly beloved mother of John McMahon, Trafalgar: Mrs John Keys, Keysborough: Thomas McMahon, Traralgon: James, Mary Jane and Elizabeth McMahon of Melbourne.

MCMAHON.-The Friends of the late Mrs.MARIA MCMAHON (late of "Ballam-Park," Frankston are repectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of internment, the Melbourne General Cemetery.

The funeral is appointed to leave her late residence, "Tyrone," Ormond-road, Elsternwick, Tomorrow (Friday, January 24, 1902), at 2 p.m.

by itellya on 2013-04-23 09:22:23

Well,there's one mystery solved, thanks to steve 74! McMahens Rd on the north side of the National Water Sports Centre has the correctspelling. Would you believe, the Keys family was related by marriage to the McMahons and the McMahens?

Steve's email.
You were right. The McMahon & McMahen are not the same family.

William McMahen died at Mordialloc in 1892 (son of James McMahen and Ann More). Interestingly William McMahen was married to Margaret Keys (sister of John Keys who married Selina Crawford McMahon)

by janilye on 2013-04-23 23:17:17

by itellya on 2013-04-25 20:26:21

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by itellya on 2013-05-01 05:37:44

More information from steve74 about James McMahon of Frankston and the halfway house or Carrum Hotel in the site of the Riviera Hotel. David McMahon wrote a 200 page history of the family. I wonder if the Frankston Library and Historical Society have copies.

There is no info re James McMahon's birth but it is estimated to be around 1806. Maria and James were married in Co. Tyrone in 1835. Shipping records say they both came from Co. Tyrone. Their first and third children, Robert and Selina were born in Tyrone but their second child John was born in Lochgilly.

Nothing is known of James' father. James' son John recalled that his father had no brothers and he knew nothing of his fathers sisters.

James McMahon's mother accompanied them to Australia but died soon after they arrived. She was buried in the old Melbourne cemetery. His father had died in Ireland some time previously so their were few ties left when they emigrated. I don't know the name of James' mother.

They came to Australia on the 'Strathfieldsaye' in 1841.

1846-1953 .. Leased the Nine Mile Beach run at Brighton

1854 .. Purchased 320 acres at Frankston, or Ballam as it was then known.

James McMahon went gold mining in New Zealand and died Oct 1872 at Invercargill. Cause: Disease of Liver and Stomach .. occupation listed as Miner.

Estate worth 1405 pounds at death.

This information comes from a book by David McMahon called 'The Clan of the Bear' .. this was published in 2006. Limited print numbers.

by dosborn on 2013-11-05 09:11:57

I am a descendent of William Moore McMahen and Margaret Keys through their son Joseph Moore McMahen born 1863 (he is missing from janiyle's list). I have a detailed private family free on ancestry.com which contains quite a lot of information about the McMahen, McMahon and Keys families (and yes they did intermarry). If anyone has a particular interest in these families feel free to contact me and I will give you short term access for research purposes.

Alternatively if you have information about the McMahen and Keys families that you would like yo share with me (particularly about their Irish roots) I'd love to hear from you.

by itellya on 2013-11-05 13:51:25

by Notrite on 2014-07-24 00:27:17

Wrong spelling of surnames can be a problem, but jumping to conclusions can also.
It is impossible to tell that Joseph Hann knew of the case that was coming up. Further,the magistrates that sat the case included Balcombe, that is why the article was titled "Balcombe vs. Ex Parte Hann". Ex Parte because Hann wasn't there. The case was appealed and Hann won the appeal such that he did not have to pay court costs. That is Balcombe and others didn't get paid for that day in court.

Hann's wealth is also open to question. He did everything with no money to spare. To that effect he was like everyone today. He bought Coolart by getting a mortgage.

Does that mean that everyone with a mortgage is rich. This surely is the lucky country.

by itellya on 2014-07-24 20:06:41

A rule nisi to prohibit E. B. Balcombe, Edward Lintot, and W. P. Cobb, justices of the peace,from executing a conviction made by them in petty sessions at Schnapper Point, against the complainant, in his absence, on an information by servants claiming wages.

Mr. Chapman for the rule nisi, and against the conviction; Mr. Fellows in support of the conviction, and against prohibition.

An information was laid against Mr. Hann by two persons whom he had engaged as labourers on a hiring for a term. A summons to attend was issued to Mr. Hann on Saturday, the 28th September. Mr. Hann started from his place at Western Port with cattle to Melbourne on Tuesday, the 1st October. The summons issued to him on Saturday, the 28th September, was not served by the constable until Friday, the 4th October.

It was served on Mr. Hann's daughter, at his house at Western Port, sixteen miles from Schnapper Point, and Miss Hann informed the constable that her father had left with cattle for Melbourne, on the 1st, and would be back on the 7th. On the 5th, the case came on for hearing at Schnapper Point. The constable, who served the summons, informed the Bench that he had served the daughter of the defendant, and been
informed by her of his having left for Melbourne,with cattle on the 1st, and of her expectation that he would be back on the 7th. The Court was asked to adjourn.

Adjournment was refused, the case was gone into in the absence of the defendant; and an order was made for such a sum and costs that he could not appeal. After Hann's
return, he applied for a rehearing, and was refused. It was sworn by Mr. Armstrong, clerk of the bench, that no depositions were taken in writing ; and that this step was taken in this case by the express directions of Mr. Balcombe, J. P.

Upon the law of the subject reference was made to Ex parte Hopwood, 15 Q.B., 121; Ex parte Williams,2 Pra. Rep., and 21 L J. (M.C.) 46;The King v. Simpson, 10 Modern; The King v.Malling, 2 Burrowes, 679; Rex v. Johnson, J. Strange; Mitchell v. Foster, 12 Ad. & Elll.,472.

The Court felt constrained by the authorities to refuse prohibition ; but under the circumstances they would not give the magistrates costs. The Chief Justice said the whole proceedings were wrapt in mystery; depositions would have been taken in writing if that had not been expressly prohibited.

The complainants had absconded from their service , and yet an order was made in their favour for a sum which was not the sum due at the rate stipulated ; and
altogether the conduct of the magistrates was most arbitrary. The Court discharged the order for prohibition, but with great regret, and certainly without costs.

Mr. Justice BARRY.-It might be very desirable to refer this matter back to the justices to compel them to do justice ; but on this application for prohibition we have no power to do so. There may have been summum jus, and perhaps summa Injuria.
Mr. Justice Williams.-The whole proceedings were very harsh ; and we mark our sense of them by discharging the order nisi for prohibition, without costs.
(P.6, Argus, 23-11-1861,Law Report.)

Important Sale of Live Stock, Household Furniture,&c., at Schnapper Point, by Order of Mr. J. C.Hann, In consequence of his giving up the Butchering Business, W.W.TREACY has received instructions to SELL by AUCTION, at Mr. Hann's butchering establishment, Schnapper Point, on Wednesday,October 10, at twelve o'clock,Without the slightest reserve,30 horses, broken and unbroken, consisting of heavy draught, light harness and hacks ; 20 milch cows, 15 steers, three to five years old; 15 pigs, 16 sides of bacon, and 16 hams, 3 spring carts,1 new do , chaff-cutters, 20 iron hurdles, 10,000 bricks, 10 tons hay butchers tools,household furniture, and a lot of sundries too numerous to mention. (P.3, Argus, 14-10-1861.)

Although no sale of Hann's cattle in October,1861 has been found, the above clearing sale (and especially the absence of cattle apart from 15 steers),provides evidence that he had taken cattle to Melbourne (where better prices could be obtained) on the date stated as part of the winding-down operation, rather than using it as a ruse to avoid the court case.

My months of research in the titles office demonstrated that the next transaction after a farm had been bought was usually the transfer of the title to a mortgagee. John Pascoe Fawkner, Hugh Glass (reputedly Australia's greatest landowner at one stage), Patrick Phelan (member of Parliament),Ralph Ruddell of Tuerong,Peter McCracken of "Ardmillan" and Joseph Porta (Victoria's first manufacturer of bellows) were just some of the people who lost property because of insolvency. I have found no mention of them being forced to use the services of labour depots. I doubt that the couple who had sued for wages and another fellow who had walked from Melbourne to Glenarthur (eastern half of Greenvale Reservoir)and sued the labour depot because the farm had been sold, would have even been able to obtain a mortgage.

by Notrite on 2014-09-15 21:32:05

Ok, you have done a lot of reading and writing but you still don't understand. Firstly, Coolart, Joseph's property, is on the opposite side of the Mornington Peninsula from Schnapper Point. The constable probably delayed the journey because he did not want to do the ride across the peninsula just to deliver the summons.
Joseph regularly sold cattle and horses at "Bears" auctions in Melbourne, not his fault it wasn't reported.
The summons was served as you say to his daughter Caroline.
The sale of the Butchering business in Schnapper Point was that of his son James Charles Hann, and is of no importance here other than to show that the family had the intent of moving to Queensland. That does, however, suggest that Joseph had reason to seek the best price he could for his cattle.
Your facts are good your analysis is not.

by JennyHart on 2016-04-30 23:10:22

James Butchart of the firm Kaye & Butchart who built Beleura in the Mornington Peninsula and James Hawkins Butchart are not the same people. According to the obituary published in the Argus on Sat 13th Nov 1869 – James Butchart of Beleura was the son of a farmer residing at Auchtermuchty in Fifeshire, Scotland whereas the marriage announcement for James Hawkins Butchart (JHB) and Margaret Sarah Lupton indicates that he is the son of Henry Butchart of Dunnichen, Angusshire, Scotland.

I have spent many hours trying to untangle the two James Butcharts in Melbourne in the 1860’s. JHB was my great, great grandfather.

Using Vic BDM information and family notices in newspapers:

James Butchart of Kaye & Butchart married Jessie Henderson in 1854 and they had four children between 1854 and 1865. Each of the births was announced in the family notices: a daughter, Annie on 30 Nov 1854 at 39 Bourke St west, a son, Robert on 8th Nov 1858 at their residence Fitzroy-square, a daughter, Helen Maria on 6 Oct 1860 at Clarendon street, Fitzroy square and a son, unnamed on 25th March 1865 at Grey-street, East Melbourne who died two days later on 27th March 1865.

His wife, Jessie died at sea, on board the True Briton on her passage to England according to death notice in the Argus on Tuesday 15 May 1866.

James Butchart remarried on 28th July 1868 at Chalmers’ Church, Melbourne to Annie Brodie Ainslie, eldest daughter of James Ainslie, Esq of Waihaka, New Zealand. Kaye & Butchart regularly advertised in New Zealand newspapers.

James Butchart died on 11 Nov 1869 at his residence, Beleura, Mornington aged, 47.

Of James Hawkins Butchart – he married in Sydney in Dec 1853 to Annie Hannah Bramah (although her ancestry is uncertain according to reports of a court case a year later that she may not have truly been Bramah). They had five children before Annie died post child birth in 1862, three of whom survived her, including my great grandfather, Marmaduke Constable Butchart. James Hawkins Butchart married Margaret Sarah Lupton on 20th December 1864 and she died from injuries sustained in a house fire on 4th March 1865 at Somerset-place, Richmond. JHB married a third time to Harriette Hill on 10th January 1871 at St James Church, Sydney and they had four daughters and a son over the next 10 years.
If you would like further information about James Hawkins Butchart, please contact me at [email protected]

by itellya on 2016-05-01 06:08:37

Thanks Jenny. All Buchart descendants should be truly grateful for your contribution.

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