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EARLY ROSEBUD, VIC., AUST.

Journal by itellya

Would you believe it? This journal was to be about ROSEBUD:FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA and now I can't find it. However, while I stumble around trying to find it again,here's something to go on with.

Early days in Rosebud, Victoria | steveburnham.net
steveburnham.net/rosebud-victoria/‎
The T-Model Ford was owned by Bert White (I think, I'll check), and the tree had grown over the road, been blown over a little more as far as it would go as a ...

Life in Rosebud in the early years | steveburnham.net
steveburnham.net/life-in-rosebud-in-the-early-years/‎
By Owen Vincent (Vin) Burnham. When I was quite young (about seven, early 1920s) the Nepean Highway was a gravel and dirt road right up to Frankston from ...

In the latter, Vin is confused regarding Judith Durham. The house was a timber one on the west side of Durham Place midway between the highway and the beach according to Judith who spent her first six summers there before her family moved to Tasmania. The Mr Durham mentioned was Tony Durham, Judith's grandfather. Tony was the child of his mother,Emily (nee King)and a Greek fisherman, whose surname is unclear. After his death, Emily married Mr Durham whose surname was adopted by Tony. His daughter married William Alexander Cock and in July 1943 Judith was born (Judith Mavis Cock) in Essendon while her father was earning his D.F.C.in the war. Her great grand-mother,Emily, was the sister of Elizabeth who married Forti Lacco,original grantee in the fishing village on the very block on which Emily's house stood,and patriarch of the famous wooden-boat building family.

I mentioned Chatfield's hut on the foreshore at Rosebud West in my journal about Rosebud Ted finding James George dead. When Chatfield turned to store-keeping, Axel Vincenttook over his foreshore hut and presumably his boat and gear.

Finally found it. Google: <vp1414.pdf>. Then click on "View a 9.6 MB pdf file of the pamphlet."

My aim in this journal, covering the area north of Eastbourne Rd,is four-fold.
1. To outline the squatting era,the parish and grantees and explain why the population was so small.
2. To deal page by page with any errors in ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA and provide extra detail.
3. To deal page by page with any errors in Vin Burnham's history and provide extra detail.
4. To describe detail in a map drawn by an unknown pioneer of residents in the fishing village and across the road.


1. WANNAEUE.
Wannaeue is the name of the parish bounded by Burrell Rd in Dromana (*which you won't find on Melway), Mornington-Flinders Rd and part of Main Creek, Limestone Rd and Weeroona St/Government Rd in Rye and the Port Phillip Bay coast. Fingal was to the south, Nepean to the west, and to the east Kangerong and Balnarring separated by Arthurs Seat/Red Hill Rds.
*Burrell Rd is shown on the Dromana Township map as its western boundary between the Esplanade (as the beach road was named in Dromana,Rosebud and Rye) and the north-south section of Latrobe Pde.

As the Sullivan's Bay settlement near Sorrento was in the parish of Nepean, and Matthew Flinders and his nephew (later Sir John Franklin) were in Kangerong when they used Arthurs Seat to survey the bay, it is probable that the first white men to set foot in Wannaeue were sealers. Hollinshead mentions that an early explorer (Captain Murray in 1803?) found huts near the mouth of Chinaman's Creek (which at that time and until Ned Williams dug the channel was opposite the Rosebud Hospital site.) William Buckley's trek around the bay probably came after the sealers had killed off the seals and abducted many Boon-wurrung women whom they took to Tassie;this is why most Boon-wurrung descendants come from Tassie.

After John Batman had made his one-sided treaty to obtain a huge area north and west of the bay for the Port Phillip Association, he boasted in John Pascoe Fawkner's Cornwall Hotel in Launceston that he was the greatest landowner in the world. (THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER by C.P.Billot.) Fawkner may have already hatched plans for his own invasion but you could imagine how this spurred him into action. He immediately chartered a vessel but unfortunately it had to finish a previous charter. Eventually Fawkner and his party boarded the Enterprize but the Master refused to take Fawkner,who was put ashore in Queens Town to settle his financial affairs. Fawkner later gave sea-sickness as the reason he went ashore!

Captain Lancey was put in charge of the party which included Evans who established Emu Bottom near Sunbury. He was given instructions to try Westernport first but was unimpressed and entered the bay. A 1935 article,based on Lancey's diary gives exact dates for this and other incidents as they sailed up the bay and can be retrieved from my DROMANA ROSEBUD AND MILES AROUND ON TROVE if requested. The party landed near Rosebud but was also unimpressed by their walkabout.

Wannaeue included three squatting runs and possibly five. The Boniyong Run included part of the parish of Fingal,Tootgarook was in the area now carrying the name, Arthurs Seat probably included the parish of Kangerong (except for Jamieson's Special Survey), Wooloowoolooboolook was probably between Old Cape Schanck Rd and Boneo Rd and Captain Henry Everest Adams may have had a 750 acres Run adjoining the Arthurs Seat Run at Adams Creek (The Avenue) and extending south to Hove Rd. (Postscript 2017. This claim in the family folklore is probably wrong.He may have had a licence from the N.S.W. Government to occupy the proposed site of Wannaeue Village, crown allotment 20 Wannaeue between The Avenue and the line of Parkmore Rd until demand would result in good prices from its alienation.)

In 1843, Owen Cain established Tyrone west of Rye, and soon after, his four and a half year old daughter, Sarah, went missing for four days and nights.She heard searchers calling but didn't answer because she feared that the sounds came from aborigines. Near dead she was taken to George Smith's Wooloowoolooboolook Station where Mrs Smith (related to Captain Hobson of the Rattlesnake,according to Spencer Jackson in BEAUTIFUL DROMANA)nursed her back to health. (Postscript 2017. In I SUCCEEDED ONCE, Marie Hansen Fels insists that Wooloowooolooboolook (young McCrae's spelling)was not a run.Smith took over Hobson's run in about 1843 and called it Tootgarook and it was the humble homestead of this run that was referred to as Wooloowoolooboolook. The homestead was called Broomielaw by James Purves (son of Peter and nephew of the ABSENT leaseholder, James, who bought the pre-emptive right.)

The date of Captain Henry Everest Adams' arrival at Adams'Corner (Wattle Place) is shrouded in mystery. The amazing thing is that Adams' folklore mentions a 750 acre property (which is wrongly called a grant.) It was supposed to have been given to him as a reward for carrying convicts. Victoria prides itself on not having been a convict colony and turned away the Pentonvillians but I know when convicts were imported. It's all on trove! In about 1841 there was a severe labour shortage and the authorities imported ticket of leave men from Van Dieman's Land until the Bounty passengers from England ( such as Oliver and Sarah Wilson, subjects of one of my journals)started to arrive.

The Dromana Pioneer Pathway plaque states that the Captain arrived in 1845 but later the Dromana Historical Society decided he had beached his ship in the area about five years earlier. The home he built with the ship's timbers was on the site of the McCrae Car wash. This was on crown allotment 20 Wannaeue, between The Avenue and Parkmore Rd and South to Cape Schanck Rd (the freeway)which was not available for selection in the 1850's and was sold as the Village of Wannaeue in about 1877.

Next paragraph in comment 1.(Purves,Barker, Burrell.)

When the land in Wannaeue was made available for selection, crown allotment 19, between Parkmore Rd and Adams Avenue, was selected by Isaac White. It is not clear which Isaac White this was but it could have been the following:
DIED.
On the 33rd inst., suddenly, at Prahran, of apoplexy, Mr. Isaac White, aged 58 years. Friends please to ac-
cept this notice. (P.4, Argus, 25-7-1854.)

In the first Kangerong Road Board assessment of 3-9-1864,Henry Everest Adams was rated on a seven roomed house and 91 acres (N.A.V. 30 pounds) but the NAV was unchanged on 5-9-1865 when the assessment included 191 acres (Isaac White's grant.)

Crown allotment 18, between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd, and consisting of 152 acres 2 roods and 16 perches, was granted to G.H.Warren. Between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk was c/a 17 of 129 acres 2 roods and 28 perches, granted to R.Glover and J.Wallace on 16-5-1856. Between there and about Fifth Avenue was c/a 16 of 115 acres, granted to H.Stratford and J.Ridgway on 13-6-1856. Crown allotment 15, of 101 acres 1 rood and 8 perches extending west to First Avenue,was granted to R.M.Owens on 13-6-1856. Crown allotment 14 of 116 acres 3 roods and 38 perches was granted to Hugh Glass.



All of the allotments mentioned (17-14) extended south to the government road (Eastbourne Rd.) Hugh Glass probably bought c/a 14, between First Avenue and Boneo Rd, as a holding paddock for stock being driven to Melbourne COMMENT 2.


RATES.

Surnames: BURNHAM CHATFIELD COCK DURHAM LACCO VINCENT
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Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-06-17 01:02:41

Edward Hobson had originally settled on what became Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach area east to Bulldog Creek)but had moved to Tootgarook before Jamieson applied for his special survey. Other early squatters were Maurice Meyrick at Boniyong and from 1843,Andrew McCrae on Arthurs Seat. Hobson probably left Peter Purves in charge at Tootgarook (a name bestowed by Peter) circa 1843,when he went to Gippsland, first to the Tarwin River and then managing his brother's run at the river of little fish[ (and naming it Traralgon-Tarra Algon.)
Chapter 2. With Hobson at Traralgon - Traralgon & District Historical ...
www.traralgonhistory.asn.au/rolf/chapter2.htm&#8206;
When Edward Hobson reached here in 1844, he was able to take up the run for which ... little fish, and that is why I have called this story "The River of Little Fish".

by itellya on 2013-06-17 06:04:08

by itellya on 2013-06-27 05:24:33

being driven to Melbourne from his Gippsland properties. One of Australia's largest landholders, he lived in Flemington House in a mansion set among grounds fit for a king; his homestead block was later owned by the Maddens, much involved in the supply of horses to the army in India and it is now the suburb of Travancore which has streets named after places in India, Kashmir becoming Cashmere.

by itellya on 2013-06-27 06:48:33

FROM COMMENT 2.
By 3-9-1864, Hugh Glass owned 231 acres unencumbered. This would have been crown allotments 14 and 16 (116 + 115 acres.) Robert Grover owned 129 acres unencumbered, being c/a 17, and ? Parr was obviously leasing c/a 18 of 152 acres. No separate property of 101 acres, nor R.M.Owens were mentioned, c/a 15 possibly being leased by Charles James.

Warren was assessed on his grant, c/a 18, in 1865 while Woolcott was rated on c/a 17 across Jetty Rd. Glass still had 231 acres and nobody was assessed on c/a 15. Glass was assessed on only 100 acres in 1873 and not even listed in 1874. This is why.
WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 1871.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 17 May 1871 p 4 Article
... death of Mr. Hugh Glass was accelerated by an overdose of chloral, which he had taken with a view to (getting to sleep.)

Glass had suffered heavy losses because of scab in his sheep and the failed private Essendon railway. Peter McCracken, a partner in the railway had been forced to sell Ardmillan at Moonee Ponds, a bitter pill to swallow, but life was still worth living- for Peter, not for Hugh. N.B. The rate collector obviously had no idea that Glass had died!

In 1879,the only assessment regarding crown allotments 18-14 (Adams Avenue to Boneo Rd) was: Woolcotte swiggle acres, nett annual value 12 pounds. That was crown allotment 17 and one ratepayer that had been forgotten was Bullocky Bob White on crown allotment 18 (now of only 150 acres.)

A newspaper report of this time described the Rosebud Fishing Village as a hive of activity in stark contrast to the rest of Wannaeue across the road. Many of the fishermen had lived on the village site for years and bought their blocks in 1872 or 1873. Before that time their names had not appeared in rate records, the road board apparently not having the power to levy rates on them. Fishermen assessed in 1879 were: Antonio Bosina,William Gomm (son of a convict,later of Hastings, and succeeded by his brother, Henry), William Devine,William Jamieson (former whaler,later of Williamstown), John Jones (first store under an upturned boat on his foreshore block,later running a store on 2 acres of c/a 18 on the FJ's corner), Antonia Latros?, Andrew Nicholas,Joseph Peters (the left-handed black fiddler,later of Queenscliff),Joseph Silva and Frederick Vine (later living in a hut on the Dromana Foreshore roughly opposite Seacombe Ave according to Melbourne Brindle's map.)

DETAIL OF C/A 19, 18, 17 AND 14 TO FOLLOW.
Crown allotments 15-17 (the avenues) became the Clacton-On-Sea Estate of which much detail is given in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. Peter also gave much detail about the commercial buildings and the school on crown allotments 17 and 16.

by itellya on 2013-06-27 12:02:08

The Adams family retained possession of most of crown allotment 19 as well as obtaining much of crown allotment 20 (Wannaeue Village),possibly as a pre-emptive right. In 1876, Henry Everest Adams was assessed on 271 acres (c/a 19 of 191 acres plus 80 acres of 20. In 1883 the Wannaeue holdings had increased to 311 acres according to Adams family historian,Len Williams, and in 1900 Robert Henry Adams had 290 acres. The rate collector did not help matters such as in 1919:
Robert Adams, 200 acres and buildings,part crown allotment 19 Wannaeue and 6a Wannaeue.
(Lot 6a of Wannaeue Village consisted of just over 19 acres so Robert had about 180 acres of c/a 19;more about the missing 11 acres later.) The other 60 or so acres of Adams land in c/a 20 were assessed in the names of Mrs Mabel Jane Adams and Mabel McGregor (wife of Keith McGregor of Fingal and The Thicket, who took over Carrier Harry Cains' fish/rabbit/passenger run to the Mornington railhead and later sold it to Billy Adams.)

In about April 1889, during the height of the land boom, Robert Henry Adams sold crown allotment 19 to William Tetley who subdivided the land between the beach and South Rd which extended from the Govt. Road (Parkmore Rd) to Adams Avenue (Land Plan 3513.) There were 58 blocks on the beach side of Rosemore Rd,the Clemengers purchasing lots 1-5 at the east end of Rosemore on which Alf Holloway built Parkmore for them circa 1896.On the south side of Rosemore Rd there were 7 blocks of about 4 acres. The subdivided area was about 56 acres but only 20 of the smaller blocks were sold and none of the 4 acre blocks.

Tetley would have paid a deposit, relying on sales to meet the repayments but when boom turned to bust, Robert Adams would have regained any unsold land (about 180 acres) as well as the deposit and any payments that had been made.

Hopetoun House, the Adams guest house on the site of the McCrae Carwash was so-named because the governor, Lord Hopetoun, often stayed there on the way to inspect the fort at Pt Nepean. Whether he was a landlubber, preferring to sail only as far as Dromana, or Hopetoun House had other attractions (not to the liking of some of the Adams womenfolk who renamed the guest house Merlyn Lodge) will never be known. Harvey Marshall proudly displays a sign, HOPETOUN HOUSE, on his gate not far from where the old guest house stood. Robert (Bobby) Adams and his boys used to pick up their guests from the Dromana Pier. (ADAMS CORNER. THE ADAMS FAMILY:PENINSULA PIONEERS.)

CROWN ALLOTMENT 18. (Adams Ave-Jetty Rd.)
The following was compiled in relation to the heritage value of 19 Mitchell St.
7-9-1872. Warren was not assessed.Black and then, faintly, Blakely, was written as the person to be rated on 150 acres.
6-9-1873. Blakely was written, with Twycross (faintly) as the person to be assessed.
5-9-1874. John Twycross was assessed. He married Mrs Clutterbuck, a widowed Burrell lass and there is much information about him, with samples of his brilliant paintings and pioneering photography, in the Burrell wing at the McCrae Homestead.

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 26. BROADFORD.Wannaeue,County of Mornington. SALE by PUBLIC AUCTION Of 152a. 2r. 16p.,Parish of Wannaeue,County of Mornington.
And By Order of tho Executors of CHARLES BLAKEY, Deceased.For Positive and Absolute Sale.Without the Least Reserve.
To Graziers, Farmers, Dairymen, Wood Merchants,Speculators, and Others.
ALFRED BLISS has been favoured with instructions from Messrs. John Munday and John
Kyle, executors under the will of tho late Mr. Charles Blakey, to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, at the mart,82 Collins-street west, on Thursday, February 26, at
twelve o'clock,The following freehold lands belonging to the above estate :
Lot 1.-Portion 61, parish of Broadford, close to the township, railway station, and Sunday Creek, containing 64a. Or. 38p. No improvements.

Lot 2.-Portion l8, parish of Wannaeue, county of Mornington, containing
152a. 2r. 16p. No improvements.
Both these properties are moderately timbered.
The Broadford land is on Sunday-creek, near the township and railway station. The Wannaeue land fronts the bay, and is sold subject to a piece 60 x 330, fronting the beach-road, being taken out of it, having been previously sold.
(P.3, Argus,18-2-1874.) N.B. My references to this "piece" being lot 86 and containing 2 acres comes from a document in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook re Captain Adams lending money to publican William Edwards circa 1879.

2-10-1875. Robert White is listed as the owner and occupier of 152 acres.
27-7-1878. The rate collector discovers that the owner and occupier is Robert White Junior, ( Blooming Bob White. (Pardon my earlier error, which cannot be corrected in comments; Bullocky Bob White was his nephew, born Robert James.) For the first time,the nett annual value rises from 10 pounds to 15 pounds, evidence that a modest homestead has been built.
20-7-1885. The rate collector finally corrects the acreage: 150 acres.
20-7-1886. The nett annual value rises to 20 pounds. This could have been due to the land boom or an improved homestead.
16-7-1888. The N.A.V. rises to 25 pounds.
29-7-1889. Frederick and William Leak were probably leasing c/a 18 from Blooming Bob who was most likely in the process of setting up his 27 acre farm at Melway 160 J11 (north east half.) The Leaks were later in dispute with William Jamieson,the old whaler, about a block of land that seemed to have been part of the 2 acre lot 86 of c/a 18.
19-7-1890 and 18-7-1891. Robert White was again assessed on c/a 18 but once again it was said to consist of 152 acres. No assessment on 30-7-1892.
29-7-1893. Thomas Bamford, wool sorter, 152 acres and buildings.
3-9-1898.Thomas Bamford (owner Jane Edwards Tresize, now Mrs Thomas Bamford.)
From 1902 to 1905, Mrs Bamford leased the property to Mrs Janet D.Smith.Between September 1904 and September 1905,the nett annual value of c/a 18 increased from 25 pounds to 40 pounds. The rise in NAV from 20 to 25 pounds in 1888 would seem to have been caused by homestead improvements rather than the land boom because it did not drop during the depression. Mrs Bamford seems to have enlarged the house to its present size in 1904-5.

Read the chapter entitled HENRY POTTON'S FARM in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. (Potton,De Garis, Curtis.)In his suicide note, De Garis called 19 Mitchell St "Wahgunyah".

Crown allotments 17 and 14, the Maori tragedy and fishing village treasures to follow.

by itellya on 2013-06-27 12:15:39

By the way,William Jamieson, buried at Dromana, may have been the Master of the Rosebud in 1851 and would not seem to have been related to the Jamieson of Cape Schanck or Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach to Bulldog Creek Rd.)

by itellya on 2013-06-28 11:51:03

CROWN ALLOTMENT 17. (Between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk,not including any Ninth Avenue house blocks.)
Correction of another mistake.At the bottom of comment 3, I said that the Clacton-On-Sea estate, also known as "The Avenues" occupied crown allotments 15 to 17; I meant to say 15 and 16.

ROSEBUD BAY.
That picturesque neighbourhood a little to the south west of Dromana, on the main road to Sorrento. The remaining unsold lots in the estate of R. R. Woolcott, Esq., being part of portion 17, parish of Wannaeue, each lot having an area of 1.5 acres and upwards. A new jetty,state school and other improvements have recently been added to the attractions of this place, which must ultimately become one of
the most popular of our suburban watering-places.
Solicitor, J. S. Woolcott, Esq., Chancery lane.
(End of P.2,Argus, 1-2-1888.)

As shown earlier, Woolcott had taken over the ownership of crown allotment 17 from Robert Grover between the assessments of 1864 and 1865 and had possibly been trying to sell sub-division lots ever since. William Gomm who owned crown allotment 13 of the fishing village (now housing Jetty's Cafe and the two double-storey townhouses beachside of it) seems to have been leasing about 70 acres of c/a 17 circa 1875 and 1876.

Incredibly in 1879,fourteen years after Woolcott's first assessment, his name was given as Woolcote and the number of acres was an undulating line! It is possible that some land had been sold to people such as John Burns (2 roomed house),James Dewar (5 acres), ?.Gates (7 acres and building), and George Pearson (1 lot) but their properties may have been as far west as Government Rd/Weeroona St near Rye.

Only one lot is known to have been sold before that assessment, and it was not assessed! Rosalind Peatey stated in PINE TREES AND BOXTHORNS that George and Susan Peatey bought lot 76, on the north corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St in 1878, courtesy of a loan from Nelson Rudduck of Dromana, but they did not move onto the property until having repaid the loan in ten years. In the early 1880's a small portion of the present school site was bought, the Mechanics Institute in the fishing village having been used for a few years.

By 1900, the following were assessed on subdivision lots in crown allotment 17.
George Henry Chapman (4 lots), Charles James (3 acres), Marshall (7 acres), Mrs Peaty (sic)(2 acres and house,76,17 Wannaeue), John Roberts (4 lots and house), Furmbisher (2.5 acres lots 74 and 85).

The rate collector seemed to be unaware that George Chapman, who established Seawinds on Arthurs Seat,had died in 1898.(He probably reversed the given names; see 1910.) Charles James was probably the brother or father of Bullocky Bob White. Marshall, later named as William Marshall, might have been the pioneer in the Red Hill Village Settlement but was later described as a Moonee Ponds real estate agent still being assessed on the 7 acres. Mrs Peatey supplied Rosebud with vegetables, poultry and eggs, all produced on her small block, which later became Don Miller's caravan park. John Roberts was Rosebud's first postmaster, who used to check the accuracy of his watch each day on the beach at noon.He seemed to be a member of the Main Ridge family at the south end of Roberts Rd.The house on which he was assessed was probably the post office/store which his daughter Rose and her husband William Brady ran for several years (see photos in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD.)The James family had a grant near the Main Ridge cricket ground.

In 1910, Henry Bucher, an inspector of Brighton, had 4 lots, Annie Eliza Cairns had lots 29-32, Rosebud Ted Cairns had lot 74, having just sold lots 49-54 to Alf Hanson, Dromana blacksmith, Henry George Chapman,had 2 lots, Caroline E. Coburn and William John Coburn of "Springbank" in McCrae had lots 57-60 between them, John Fallon of Windsor had lot 80, Alf Hanson had lots 23, 24, 75, 77, 79 and 49-54, J.Machonochie of Richmond had lots 37-40, Bob Cairns had lots 5 and 6 near the state school, Marshall of no given name but a real estate agent of New St, Moonee Ponds still had 7 acres, Susan Peatey still had a house on lot 76 but not for much longer, Mrs J.Spensley had 4 lots and a building,and Fred Vine's stepdaughter, Mary B.Stone, to whom a large section of ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD is devoted, had lots 25-28. Vale,agent,of Melbourne, had 84+84 acres of crown allotment 17, quite a magic trick because the whole crown allotment consisted of 129 acres! Perhaps the second parcel was on the Clacton estate.

I think I can remember Vale's involvement starting in about 1906 but I haven't been able to re-find the advertisements. You will notice there has been no mention of Robert McDowell after whom McDowell St was named.How strange it is that the street was not named after George and Susan Peatey.

Ratepayers re c/a 17 in 1919 not previously mentioned were Mrs Mary Butler c/o Mrs McDowell lot 49 and building, Mrs Elizabeth Cairns "Eleanora" lots 43-6 and building, Rosebud Ted Cairns also had lot 85, H.J.Horneman,former? Rye schoolteacher,had lots 62,81 and 82,Mrs Hounslow had lot 23,Mrs Helena Salina Mitchell of Essendon (possibly wife of the owner of Woodlands and Cumberland near the Tullamarine Airport site)had lots 13-18 and buildings, Mrs Machonochie was assessed on lot 42 and store occupied by P.Ditchburn, Robert McDowell had lots 77,79 and part 75,Alf and John Peatey now had lot 76,Ern Rudduck had the store occupied by
L.C.Leech whose location is probably specified in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD, and Mrs Charlotte Walker of Benalla had part of lot 75.

by itellya on 2013-07-02 07:37:32

Updates on crown allotment 18 (between Adams Ave and Jetty Rd.)
1.Thomas Bamford was assessed on c/a 18 from 29-7-1893 to 14-8-1897 and in 1898 he was listed as the occupier, with Jane Edwards Tresize, now Mrs Thomas Bamford, recorded as the owner. However Jane had owned the property since 17-3-1892, so while the above seems to show Thomas had given Jane the property as a wedding present,it is more likely that she was a woman of independent means.

The staff of the titles office very generously gave me some documents when I was gathering information to support heritage protection for 19 Mitchell St. One is a copy of Volume 2415 folio 482 812 which shows a plan of c/a 18 with all but the 2 acre block on the F.J.'s corner shaded red.

It reads Certificate of Title, UNDER THE "TRANSFER OF LAND ACT 1890."
Jane Edwards Tresize of "Hawksworth" Grosvenor Street Balaclava Spinster is-now the proprietor of an Estate in Fee-simple, subject to the Emcumbrances notified hereunder in all that piece of land delineated and coloured red on the Map in the margin containing (wrong acreage crossed out and replaced with one hundred and fifty) being part of crown portion eighteen Parish of Wannaeue,County of Mornington-
dated the seventeenth day of March One thousand eight hundred and ninety two.

This document raises two points. Firstly Jane must have purchased the property from Blooming Bob White after the first sale (detailed below) fell through.

Secondly,it could be understood if the official had described the property as 152 acres, but why had he written 159 acres? My guess is that the official had referred to a Wannaeue map lithographed in 1887 (and available online) which shows crown allotment 18 of section B*with three allotments of almost equal size on the east side of Grasslands Rd,two of them consisting of 53 acres 2 roods and 13 perches with the most northerly (actually 30C) being in the exact middle of the map so that the intersecting creases obliterated any information within its boundaries.
(*Parish maps do not make it clear what the boundary between section A and section B was but I think it was Cape Schanck Rd with the Arthurs Seat Run, comprising section B to the south east and the Tootgarook Run , incorporating the Wooloowoolooboolook Run, comprising section A to the north west.

Not being able to read the information in 30C, he had probably calculated 3x53 and written the acreage- but then noticed there was another crown allotment 18, whose sketch of title mentioned the road to the Heads or Beach Road. The other possibility is that he was using a sketch of title referring to the sale of lot 86 with the balance of land being 150 acres and the zero was sloppily written so it looked like a nine.

2. I stated previously that William and Frederick Leak were probably leasing c/a 18 from Blooming Bob White when they were assessed on 150 acres on 29-7-1889. However, having just received a copy of toolaroo's PENINSULA PIONEERS, I will quote from page 66. Robert's wife,Margaret (nee Hillis) had died on 1-10-1888.
"Robert was now keen to sell his Rosebud property, for the life of a bullocky was not conducive to single-handedly raising three young children. Unfortunately he was a little too keen for when he sold the property in September of that year he neglected to mention to the buyers that a small part of the property was owned by somebody else.As a result the deal fell through and Robert resumed ownership."

A Law Report from The Argus of 18-9-1889,reproduced on page 104 of the book describes an action brought to the Supreme Court by William Lake the younger and Frederick Lakeagainst John Jones to recover (lot 86 of two acres.) Crown allotment 18 must have been transferred from the estate of Robert White senior (who died on 25-4-1881) to his son,Blooming Bob in 1884, and the clerk must have described the property as consisting of 152 acres. (Rate records kept changing from one to the other!)
Later in the article Blooming Bob is said to have bought the land from Richard Blakeley (sic)in 1871 although the transfer had not been made until 1874. Richard was obviously the son of Charles Blakey*and as the property was advertised for sale (mentioning the part that had been sold!!)in 1874, it seems unlikely that(a)any transaction other than a lease had been carried out in 1871 (b) Blooming Bob was unaware that he was selling 150 acres, not 152.
(*See the advertisement under LEAK/LAKE in my journal about toolaroo's book.)

by itellya on 2013-07-02 10:01:34

My apologies for forgetting to close the bold type and italics in the last comment!

CROWN ALLOTMENTS 16 AND 17 (EAST SIDE OF FIRST AVENUE TO ALL NINTH AVENUE BLOCKS.)
Sold as the Clacton-on-Sea Estate and now called The Avenues this land is shrouded in mystery after the death of Hugh Glass. I believe that crown allotments 16-14 passed into the hands of creditors and I have a sneaking suspicion that Edward Williams was leasing much of the land from them up till the early 1890's; He and his son James Campbell Williams (Jimmy the Squid)holding at one stage about 2 500 acres, far in excess of his Browns Rd grants and "Eastbourne".

ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD has much detail about the estate including the lagoon near The Link.

CROWN ALLOTMENT 14.
Hugh Glass was granted the 114 acres between First Avenue and Boneo Rd. By 1864 he seems to have bought c/a 16 but by the time of his death he only owned 100 acres. His financial decline preceded hisaccidental death. By the early 1890's c/a 14 had probably been sold by the Land Freehold Investment Co. as farms of 29+29+16+20+20 acres. The two farms of 29 acres from the beach road south to include 50 First Avenue and all Hope St house blocks became "Hindhope". The two 20 acre blocks and the one of 16 acres became "The Thicket", now the part entered via The Drive, the homestead being near the church, with curving streets such as Warranilla.

THE THICKET.
In 1893,the Landhold Investment Co.was rated on 56 acres, Wannaeue, almost certainly Hindhope. Mrs Alfred Hicks (Harriet) owned one of the 20 acre farms and Ramsay Couper the other. In 1894 Jeremiah Brosman of South Yarra was assessed on 16 acres Wannaeue. This remained the case until 1899 when John Freeman bought the 16 acre property. In 1900 Ramsay Couper was assessed on Mrs Hicks' 20 acres which for years had stupidly been described as being in Rye (where Harriet actually owned another 4 acres.) In 1908 the 16 acre property had the rate collector guessing and assessment No 831 had Couper Freeman as the person to be rated on 16 acres; in 1909 Nora Couper was assessed,Ramsay having the other 40 acres of The Thicket.

In 1912 Dutton Edwards had just taken over The Thicket from John Johnson.By 1919, the last assessment on microfiche, Alf Rawlings (possibly the grantee in the parish of Lyndhurst just south of the Mordialloc Creek) was on The Thicket.He was probably followed by Keith McGregor, the late Ray Cairns telling me of Keith's residence there and the location of the homestead.

HINDHOPE.
The assessment of 18-7-1891 showed no Randall.By 1-8-1894 Henry James Randall, assistant clerk had 29 acres, nett annual value 10 pounds.(Values were recorded to determine the age of the house at 50 First Avenue.) J.McGregor Gillespie and Co.might have owned the other 29 acres and some Clacton land. In 1900 Randall still had 29 acres and the Freehold Investment Co.seems to have taken over the Gillespie land (515 acres, i.e. 371, 144) which included c/a 16. C/a 16 consisted of 115 acres and if we add the other 29 acres of Hindhope, we get a total of 144 acres! Remembering that both 14 and 16 were owned by Glass and that Glass was from the Essendon area where Gillespie and Co. (flour millers I think) owned some of Main's Estate west of Hoffmans Rd in present day Niddrie, it is reasonable to assume,in light of the arithmetic, that this company had owned the missing part of Hindhope.

By 1908 Gregory Rigg was assessed on 29 acres and Mrs Eleanor Rigg on 29 acres.

Volume 3352 Folio 670292
Certificate of Title, UNDER THE "TRANSFER OF LAND ACT 1890."
Eleanor Rigg of Hindhope, Rosebud in the county of Mornington married woman is-
now the proprietor of an Estate in Fee-simple, subject to the Encumbrances notified hereunder in All that piece of land delineated and coloured red on the map in the margin, containing fifty seven acres three roods and five perches,being part of Crown Portion fourteen at Rosebud, Parish of Wannaeue County of Mornington-
Dated this fourth day of September One thousand nine hundred and nine.


TO COME: THE THICKET AND HINDHOPE ON TROVE, 50 FIRST AVENUE, McCOMB(E?)ST AND POOR MRS YOUNGER 1 AND 2.

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by itellya on 2014-06-13 01:49:46

Having discovered that the house in which the La Bella hero, William John Ferrier,lived at Rosebud seemed to have been built by Antonio Bosina prior to 1895, I was reminded about a loan he had obtained from Captain Henry Everest Adams and a violent confrontation between Fred Vine and Antonio over the latter's romantic interest in Vine's daughter. As Fred and Antonio's surnames were written in various ways, I could not find the trove article about the court case, so I tried "Fisherman,Rosebud" and found this.

Joe Peters,the black fiddler, who hailed from Baltimore,U.S.A. , rather than the Cape Verde Islands which I had suspected. Joe was granted crown allotment 21 of the Rosebud Fishing Village, the second block west of Durham Place, on 5-3-1873. This block was later owned by Evelyn Gough, a prominent advocate for equal rights for women who was the great Arthur Boyd's maternal grandmother.

NOTICE is hereby given that after the
expiration of Fourteen Days from
the publication hereof, application will be
made to the Supreme Court of the State
of Victoria in its probate jurisdiction, that
probate of the last will and testament of
Joseph Peters, late of Rosebud, fisherman,
deceased, may be granted to Mary Ann
Peters, of Queenecliff, widow, the sole ex
ecutrix named in the said will.
Dated 16th day of September, 1901.
GEORGE JOHN SIMS.
No 54 William-street, Melbourne, Proctor
for the said Executrix. (P.2, Mornington Standard,19-9-1901.)

by itellya on 2014-06-13 02:16:13

I thought this was the Bosina/Vine case,but no. The text has been corrected by the Peters descendant, cndyh1.

POLICE NEWS. DROMANA POLICE COURT.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 17 October 1895 p 2 Article
POLICE NEWS
DROMANA POLICE COURT.
Before Mr. Smallman, P.M., and
Messrs N. Rudduck, R. Anderson
G. McLear and W. Seagrave, J'sP.
J. Baldry v. McFarlane.--There was
no appearance, and the case was struck
out.
E. PETERS v. T. PEAKE.
Mr. Cook appeared for the plaintiff,
and Mr. T. T. Smith for the defendant. Mr. Smallman xxxxxxxx xxxxx, said
that as the defendant had refused to
marry the plaintiff she now sued de-
fendant for maintainance of the child
now in court, which she alleged he was
the father of. The reason why plaintiff
did not take proceedings sooner was
because her mother was adverse to her
doing so, and she had been away for
some time in a home or lodge in Mel-
bourne, and she now intended to pro-
ceed under Section 42 of the Marriage
Act, the child being illegimate. The
child was born on the 28th March,
1894. He called the plaintiff to give
evidence.
Miss E. Peters, sworn, said she was
an unmarried woman and resided at
Rosebud. She was at present in ser-
vice at the Dromana Hotel. Knew
the defendant, Thomas Peake, and first
became acquainted with him at Rose-
bud in June, 1893. She had not been
introduced by any one. Defendant
made an appointment to meet her the
next night, which he kept. She often
met him on the beach in June. In
July she was at service at Mr. Burrell's
and used to go home through the week,
when defendant used to meet her at
her mother's gate. She remembered
an entertainment being held in the
the night of 5th July. She was there
and danced with the defendant.
Mr. Cook: Did he bring you to the
dance ?
Witness: No.
Mr. Cook: After the dance was over
who went home with you?
Witness: Defendant did. This was
about half-past 1 o'clock in the morn-
ing, and on the way home he had inter-
course with me. She was not a con-
senting party. She was walking and
he was leading a horse.
Mr. Cook : Did yon go home that
night or stay at Mr. Burrell's ?
Witness: I went home that night.
He met me again on the 9th and 11th
of July at Rosebud, and after this I
saw him almost every day.
Mr. Cook: How did you come to
see him so often ? Was it by appoint-
ment ?
Witness: No. He used to pass our
place on the beach.
Mr. Smallman, P.M.: What was he
he doing so often on the beach ?
Witness: Passing to the pier. His
business was fishing. Had made an
appointment to meet him on the beach
on 27th August. He again asked me to
go out with him again on the 29th, and
I refused. About a week after he asked
me to go out again and I said I would
not. Did not meet him again, or see
him other than seeing him in the street.
I continued in service till the 28th
August, then I went to service at
Geelong. I stayed there about a month
then came home to my father's place
and stayed there about a month. Then
I went to the Dromana Hotel. I
stayed there three months then I went
home again. After that I went to
Queencliff and stayed at my sister's.
This was about the 22nd September,
1894. Then I came home for about a
week. I then went to Melbourne, came
back again and then went back to Mel-
bourne on the 22nd March, 1894, and
stayed at the Carlton Refuge, where
I was confined of a child on the 28th
March. The defendant is the father of
the child. I stayed nearly a year at
the refuge, then I came home. I was
home about three months on the 12th
June, 1895. I spoke to defendant and
asked him if he was going to support
his child. He said it was not his. I
told him it was. He then swore at me
and walked away.
Mr. Cook: I believe your mother
objected to you taking any action ?
Witness: Yes. I have taken this
action against defendant myself. I
have not had intercourse with any other
person. I am nineteen years of age at
present.
Mr. Cooke: Where does defendant
live ?
Witness: He lives in lodgings at
Rosebud. Could not say if he had any
men working for him. Defendant
owned a fishing boat.
Mr. Smith : How do you know it is
his ?
Witness : He told me so. I am
earning at present six shillings a week.
Defendant never paid me anything for
the child.
To Mr. Smith: Did not know when
Peake came to Rosebud.
Mr. Smith: You swore you went to
Geelong on 28th August, and that you
remained there a month. Will you tell
me the date you left Mrs. Kantkner's[?] ?
Witness: I do not remember the
date. Remembered staying three
weeks at Markham's Hotel. That was
in 1893.
To Mr. Smith: I attended all the
dances at Dromana.
Mr. Smith: Do you remember going
home from a dance one night and
calling out to a man named Peaty to
wait for you and take you home.
Witness: I do not.
Mr. Smi'h: Why did you not give
the name of the father to the child ?
Witness : Because I did not want to.
Mr. Smith: What name did you call
it ?
Witness : Joseph Claude.
On page 3
Mr. Smith here produced the certifi
cate of birth showing that the child was
registered William Claude.
Witness said that it was a strange
nurse she gave the name to and she
must have registered it wrong.
Mr. Smith: Did you ever attend
dances at Rye?
Witness : Yes. Could not say on
what dates.
Mr. Smith: Do you remember a
fight between two militia men one night
at a dance over you ?
Witness : Yes ; but did not remem
ber them fighting in plaintiffs bedroom
at Mrs. Sweetapple's Hotel at Portsea.
Had [not ;ever walked out with any one
else but the defendant Peako. Had
come home from Rye with a Mr.
Council in his cart, and was quite sure
as to the time she left Geelong as it
was four days after her sister's birth
day:
DMr. Peters, sen, sworn, said he was a
fisherman residingat Rosebud. Was the
father of the complainant. Knew te
defendant, who also resided at Rosebud
and was a fislhrman. Rmembered
asking the complainant who was the
father of her child and the said Thomas
Peake. the asked defendant what
o was going to o, an s as
going to do nothing.
Mr. Smith: What did you then say ?
Witness: I said never mind, there is
a law in the country. He was a good
deal away from home in 1891, but was
home off and on. Did not see any one
in company with his daughter but
Peake. Witness was in Geelong in
July and August working on the
dredge. Could not swear if his wife
said anything at the time the conversa
tion took place between Peake and him
sell The witness here produced a
note in writing which he had taken
down at the time when the conversa
tion took place with Peake.
Mr. Smith: I will ask the witness to
write his name.
Witness : I can write my name, but
did not say I wrote the note. It was
my wife who wrote it for me.
Mr. Smith: I thought I would catch
you.
Alfred Peters, sworn, said he was
brother to the 'complainant, and was
seventeen years of age. He resided at
Rosebud. He often saw the defendant
and his sister out together, sometimes
two or three times a week, and had seen
them coming home from a ball which
was held at Dromana.
This closed the case for plaintiff.
ir. Smith then addressed the Bench
in an able speech, and said he did not
see that any corroborative evidence had
been brought at all, and he would ask
their wesakips to hear the defendant
himself, which would bear out his case.
The Bench did not think there was
any need, and dismissed the case.
The court then adjourned.

by itellya on 2014-06-13 02:42:48

I feel sorry for family historians. When I hit a brick wall in local history research,I ALWAYS make some other discovery.

If I remember correctly,Thomas Gomm died at Dromana in 1906, shortly after he had given evidence at the inquiry into Alfred Downward's disputed election. I obviously missed the bit in the following article about Thomas being a fisherman at Rosebud unless I had read another article that didn't mention Rosebud.

William Gomm, the grantee of crown allotment 13, Rosebud Fishing Village (now occupied by Jetty's Cafe and the twin two storey townhouses nearer the jetty) and Henry Gomm were sons of Convict Henry Gomm and totally unrelated to the Gomms of Somerville. William moved to Hastings and Henry was assessed on c/a 13 for many years, referred as Harry Gumm by the locals. Thomas was probably living and fishing with Henry.

Dr. L. L. Smith's Appeal.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 20 December 1894 p 3 Article
Thomas Gomm, a fisherman residing at Rosebud, within the electoral district of Mornington, produced his elector's right, issued 27th December, 1893.

by itellya on 2014-06-13 02:48:31

I forgot to mention that " Thomas Gamnmm*, a fisherman. resid- ti ing at Rosebud," was another son of Convict Henry Gomm.

*See why I've struck problems finding Bosina/Bosena and Vine/Vean?

by itellya on 2015-02-10 04:37:37

SPRINGBANK, COBURN,BURRELL, GREEN, BARTLETS.
SPRINGBANK, Arthur's Seat, Corner Pt Nepean Rd. and Coburn Av. - Available from Feb. 12. Coburn. U8575 (P.29, Argus,3-2-1934.)

The map of early Rosebud,probably drawn by Isabel Moresby or Rosalind Peaty, starts at the lighthouse keepers' cottages, which were near the car park east of the lighthouse.Directly opposite is written:"GREENS Springbank burnt to the ground on E Friday night. Harry Cairns at 10 p.m. and my father on board, drove through it. The next property west was Mr and Mrs Burrell's mulberry farm and (probably across Adams' Creek,now The Avenue, the boundary of the Burrell's pre-emptive right),were Black David and Bob Adams Cairns farm,Wattle Rd, and Adam Guest House (Adams', Hopetoun House,later Merlyn Lodge.)

In 1919-20 Frederick R.Green of Hawthorn was assessed on 6 acres and buildings ,plan 3123,6 acres and buildings, section B Wannaeue. Section B Wannaeue was the part of the parish which had been the Burrells' Arthurs Seat Run. The assessment should have read " part crown allotment 1, section B, Wannaeue."

The 1910 assessment revealed that Mrs Caroline E.Coburn,farmer of Springbank, was assessed on 88 acres (as well as some blocks north of South Rd, east of Adams Ave.)and William John Coburn, farmer of Springbank,on lots north of South Rd that adjoined Caroline's. Catherine Burrell had 70 acres and buildings.

Coburn's Creek is shown entering the bay in Melway 158 K9, opposite the Coburn Avenue corner and near the miniature lighthouse playground which was possibly the site of the lighthouse keepers' cottages.


If my memory serves me correctly, Mrs Coburn was a Burrell girl. She, John, and Catherine Burrell had the remnants of section 1 of the pre-emptive right, some parts having been sold to the Cornell family and Nelson Rudduck and Co (24.5 acres,part c/a 1 of B, almost certainly had "Wonga*", which had been part of the estate of Professor Hearn of Heronswood in about 1888 when all his property was sold.
*Nelson Rudduck's address in an assessment found when I was tracing Captain Adams' 36 acre grant on Arthurs Seat.)

"Rosebud: Flower of the Peninsula" confirms that Mrs Catherine Coburn was a Burrell girl; she had married Charles Coburn (P.8.)Springbank was the lovely Coburn home on the mountain built in 1894. It was destroyed by a bushfire in 1912 (P.8.). Mr Coburn built many houses including Killarney in 1891.(P.9.)
The Bartels were in McCrae by 1928 but the area was still called Dromana West or in this case, Dromana. (Family Notices
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 21 April 1928 p 63 Family Notices
... Charlotte Anne, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. T. Bartels, Dromana. ) I suspect some relationship to the Burrells or Coburns but I have not found any confirmation.

Isabel Moresby mentioned that the new Springbank house was not built on the same site and now we know where it was built.

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