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Families of John William Stoneman - England and Wales - UK

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JOHN WILLIAM STONEMAN (my husband's great-great-grandfather) was born on 27 July 1866 (source 1.), in Torquay, Devon, England, United Kingdom, to John Stoneman and Mary Elizabeth Stoneman [German].

I havent been able to find the family Cencus for 1871, but the family, including John Williams younger brother, George, was recorded in 1881 England Census (source 2.), living in Westhill, St. Mary Church, Torquay, Devon, England, United Kingdom. In the 1881 England Census, John William, aged about 14, was working as a Carpenter.

John William first married Eva Ann Lawrence, and his second marriage was to Amy Adams (see information further down).

In 1891, aged about 24, John William and Eva Ann had moved to 29 Dehli St., Islington, London, England, United Kingdom, and he was still working as a Carpenter according to the 1891 England Census (source 4.) Their first born, Stanley George, was also recorded in the Census.

In 1901 England Census (source 5.), John William, aged about 34, Eva Ann and their 4 children, (Stanley, Ethel Rosamond, Arthur Robert, Harold) lived in 23 College PK Yer, Hammersmith, London, England, United Kingdom, and John William was working as a carpenter & joiner. Source: 1901 England Census about John William Stoneman - born 1866.jpeg in Hammersmith, London, England, United Kingdom.

Im not sure when John William moved to Wales, I only know that him and his 4 children was recorded living there in 1911. And Im not sure what happened to Eva Ann, but I think she died sometime before 1908.

On the 2 April 1911 Wales Census (source 6.), aged 44, John William was listed as married to Amy Adams, and he was still working as a carpenter, joiner and journeyman (last according to source 7.). The family was living in a 6 rooms house in Tawelfan, Godrergraig, Neath Port Talbot, Wales, United Kingdom, including John Williams children, Stanley George and Harold, from his first marriage, although his oldest son Stanley George married a few days later and moved out (source 7.). Also living there was John William and Amys child Quinnie, and Amys son from her first marriage, Harold.

John is believed to have died on 17 May 1946, aged 79, in Godrargraig, Glamorganshire, Wales, United Kingdom.

EVA ANN STONEMAN [Lawrence] was born around 1864, to John Lawrence(source 9.) and Elizabeth Lawrence (I believe her maidenname was Specks). Eva Ann is recorded in the 1871 and 1881 census, living with her parents and siblings in 2 Wellington Road, Tormoham, Devon, England, UK (source 10. and 11.). Its unknown when Eva died, but Im guessing around 1905, aged about 39, as John William re-married in 1908 according to 1911 Wales Census.

John William Stoneman and Eva Ann Stoneman [Lawrence] married 11 Sep 1887 in Newton Abbot, Devon, England, UK (source 9.) and had four children:
Stanley George Stoneman in 1890
Ethel Rosamond Stoneman in 1893
Arthur Robert Stoneman about 1896
Harold Stoneman about 1900

AMY STONEMAN [ADAMS] was born in 1883, in Little Milton, Oxford, England, United Kingdom.

Amy married twice. She was first married to John Rhys Gildas Jones in 1905, but I believe he died within a year or so. They had one son, Harold Jones in 1906.

In the 1911 Wales Census (source 6.), John William and Amy are listed as married, but looking at the free marriage index, they didn't didn't get married until 1916 (source 12.). It's believed they had 8 children;
Amy Elizabeth in 1909
Quinnie in 1910
Violet May in 1913
Margaret A in 1915
Edvin John in 1917
Ted A in 1921
Edna Pattie in 1924
Kennet M in 1926

I think Amy died in 1955, aged about 72.

SOURCES:
1.) England Wales FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915_Q3_1866_5b_136 about John William Stoneman
2.) 1881 England Devon Torquay St Mary Church District19 Img34 John Stoneman 1844
3.) England Wales FreeBMD Marriage Index 1837-1915_Q4_1889_5b_295 about John William Stoneman
4.) 1891 England Census Record for John William Stoneman - born 1866
5.) 1901 England Census about John William Stoneman - born 1866
6.) 1911 Wales Census John William Stoneman 1867
7.) Certified Copy of Marriage Stanley & Elizabeth Ann Stoneman
8.) Certified Copy of Birth Stanley George Stoneman
9.) Certified Copy of Marriage John William Stoneman and Eva Ann Lawrence
10.) 1871 England Census
11.) 1881 England Census
12.) Free Marriage Index Neath Glamorgan Q4, vol.11a, page 1609

WANTED:
More information in general, need more facts to be able to order birth, death and marriage certificates.

Post updated 28 Nov 2012

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by asheppard on 2012-05-15 21:33:17

Do you have copies of certificates to verify the information, marriage certificate for John William Stoneman or birth certificate for Stanley George Stoneman that has Eva Ann's surname as Veysey.

The source 3 ref Q4 1889 5b 295 you have quoted for Stoneman Veysey marriage, just does not match, it has Elsie Jane Pearse and Bessie Beal as brides no Eva Ann.

The only marriage I could find for John William Stoneman to an Eva Ann was in Sept 1889 her surname is Lawrence not Veysey, certificate will give you more details.

There is a marriage for an Amy Jones to John Stoneman in Dec 1916 Neath, nothing for an Amy Adams to John Stoneman. Certificate will verify if correct John Stoneman and if he was bachelor or widow and his occupation.

Perhaps Eva Ann Stoneman was still living and John couldn't marry until after her death, I did see on 1911 that it says he and Amy were married 1 year but this may not be the case. I couldn't find any death reference for Eva Ann Stoneman or anything close.

Child Queenie b1910 Wiltshire in 1911 Census, possibly registered as Amy Stoneman Sept 1910 Swindon Wiltshire only one in area around 1908-1911 nothing registered anywhere for Queenie in date range.

possibly marriage for Amy Adams to John Rhys G Jones Sep 1905 Thame Oxfordshire
possibly birth for son Harold b1906 Oxfordshire in 1911 Census - Harold Robert J Jones Mar 1906 Thame Oxfordshire
possible death John Rhys G Jones Sept 1906 27 Cardiff

again copies of certificates will verify details.

good luck in your search

by allianse on 2012-05-16 03:48:59

Hi,

Thank you so much for your replay, have to check my sources again by the look of it!

I know copies of certificates will verify more details, but I'm a bit careful ordering certificates because I can end up with a lot of certificates I don't need.

Eva Ann was mentioned to me by a family member 3-4 years ago, but this family member is no longer living so I can't get more information from her. It is a possibilty Eva Ann was still living when John William got involved with Amy.

Again, thank you for all your feedback, will look into that!

by allianse on 2012-06-23 15:17:45

I've got the birth certificate for Stanley George Stoneman now. His mother ISN'T Eva A Vevsey, but Eva Anne (or Annie, hard to see on the certificate) Lawrence. This post will be updated shortly.

by gsglaze on 2014-05-16 15:29:33

Hi I am trying to find some information on my grandfather Harold stoneman he had a sister called queenie theyLived in godregriag south Wales my father was born in 105 graig road godregriag His name was dennis stoneman if u could help in any way I would be so grateful thank u gwenllian stoneman

by allianse on 2014-05-16 16:49:40

Hi Gwenllian,

I'm sorry, I don't have a lot of information about Harold and his family, but I do have some.

I'll inbox you, and we can take it from there.

Eva

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