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on 2012-02-02 20:23:55

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by bluestonedreaming on 2012-02-04 22:02:25

Hi itellya,
just joined up family tree to tell ya thta i am enjoying your Tullamarine history notes very much! SInce moving to the corner of Melrose and Tadstan drive(Broombank I am so far gathering?) ten years ago , i felt a lot of history here that appearances did not indicate was so. Have looked sporadically for information on th e internet mainly, as being oft housebound, google has been the extent of "research". . So excited to be able to read your fascinating insights and wealth of knowledge, thankyou so much for sharing! You have inspired me to make the plan for the Public Records Office this year, although I may not need it as your findings are so thorough. Marvellous!

by bluestonedreaming on 2012-02-04 22:04:20

*make the plan for a visit to the PRO!

by itellya on 2012-02-05 00:58:03

by itellya on 2012-02-05 01:37:15

by itellya on 2012-02-05 02:32:31

Thanks janilye.

by itellya on 2012-02-05 02:33:46

by bluestonedreaming on 2012-02-06 04:01:54

That is fascinating and fantastic amount of info! woow thanks!
I googled ben kelly quickly and found a trove piece that mentioned him. He sounds a character form your descriptionindeed! He must have been on t he land opposite me, as i am the east corner of melrose and tadstan(closest to broadmeadows Rd0. Units are popping up everywhere, i am a little sad all the houses are being purchased and demolished. looks like the house next to northedge units (next to 7-11,the old Greens corner i now know) has been sold in readyness for more units.So between my place and ht eocrner, i notice on my walks thta one house remains - obvioulsy quite strong to resisit the real estate harassment i imgine. i have had cold callings even at my unti form Agents tryign to entice to sell! Such is "progress" eh?

How interesting that some things have changed yet others not! there is still so much talk of a railway,now propsed behind my parents house in Churchill Ave, alhtogh many believe it won't eventuate. Reading about a station once asked for at Caterpillar factory is interesting, as my family an dI have often discussed some kind of action group to get a station there. Also there was talk of *if* the train line eventuted behind Churchill and onto th eairport (proposing underground station and tus,perhaps partly under the gorund through those paddocks..which are rapidly being eaten up by fatcories built ont he once designated land of clearance / no buildings by the airport), we would try to rally for a station for Tulla at the veyr least! it would make sense at Caterpillar now what with Westfield being right there and the gowanbrae estate flourishing.

Very sad on people losing life sacings on investments. My parents lost house deposit savings when first married to a man who "sold" thme land in lancefield thne fled with the cash back to ireland ! Grandparents led a life of poverty due to hard earned savings being lost in a similar fashiomn. Very sad those things happen.

i wonder what Walter Murphy would htink of melbourne's second airport finally eventuating at Avalon when he fought so hard for it to be THE Melbourne airport!

Sewerage probelms gosh!!! We have had small sewerage and drainage problems on this block of unit shere at Tadsrtan drvie ove rth elast decade, how curious.

WHat a shame your suggestion of aero names for local streets was not taken on board! however, I do appreciate the names along melrose knowing they come form history and the farms thta wer eonce there named accordingly. I ma curious as to what tadstan Drive is named after? everythign else seems to have a family name or property name as street name, so I am curious to know if you can enlightne me on Tadstan?? have mused if it was part of a reference to Stanhill?

by itellya on 2012-02-06 06:22:25

The house next door to North Edge was Major Murphy's. It should be preserved and I intend to write a letter to the Hume Leader about this.
You could be right in your theory about Tadstan Drive being linked to Stanley Korman. The maps on pages 196 and 197 show land purchased by Korman's companies between 1954 and 1959. The first shows that he bought land right up to Hughie Williamson's "Dunvegan", by then owned by Hill, and confirms that he indeed purchased Strathconnan and Denham's land (now Catherine Ave and Trade Park.) You will notice that Broombank and the 18 acre Junction Estate (to Londrew Court)are not included in either map.
Ray Loft had subdivided Broombank in 1952, most likely along Millar Rd (named after his wife's family) to start with. My reason for believing this is that, at this time, the centre of activity was still to the north with the school at the Conders Lane (Link Rd) corner and the post office on the site of Henderson Rd until, (perhaps late) 1959. Perhaps Korman purchased the Tadstan Drive portion in about 1960 to join onto "Strathconnan".
Incidentally, Strathconnan is shown as having been purchased from Kay but the owner's name was actually Kaye. He was probably a Pole (like Ilko Romaniw and others on the triangular estate)and when he first bought Strathconnan his name was recorded in rate books as Kowarzic. He was the manager of Australian National Airways until Reg Ansett took it over to form Ansett-A.N.A.

by itellya on 2012-02-06 06:30:44

I forgot to mention that there is not even one white pages entry for TADSTAN, residential or business! The only result on google for TADSTAN (apart from street names) is an entry in the Cairns Post which is so blurry that the surname might not even be Tadstan. There are streets in Clayton South and Donvale with the name.

by bluestonedreaming on 2012-02-08 07:02:34

i do hope Majot Murphy's house can be prserved! i do recall seeing a very small red placard asking for objuections to be submitted to the ocuncil ,maybe in december? All the trees along the fence shared with Northedge have been removed. I have laways liked that house,it's roses and concrete fornt fountain.

Interesting Tadstan missing from the white pages. I noticed as I checke dout many of your melway refernce shere on the net, tadstan drive is missign from the initial look at pg 5. Odd.

by itellya on 2012-02-18 03:54:14

I made a mistake about Bridget Madden being Maurice Crotty's daughter. She was his sister. This mistake will be corrected in bold type in the journal when I have time. I will also be adding information about the Maddens in this journal and the one about the Inverness Hotel. The Maddens were related by marriage to the Daniel family of Narbonne.

by jadethan on 2013-07-30 18:53:31

I have a photo of old Tullamarine taken around 1960 or perhaps earlier. It looks like it was taken from the top of the old drive in screen. I can send it to you if you can provide an email address.

My family lived at 76 Broadmeadows Rd from 1953 till the 80's or later. My mother Ruth Kelly was involved with the Tullamarine Progress Association for a long time. There was a thermometer in the window of Garner's newsagency for quite a while showing how much money had been raised to build the community hall.

My father, Frank Kelly, ran a welding shop behind the service station at the corner of Bulla and Mickleham Rd's in the 50's and early 60's. I believe the original service station was the same building that used to be the old pub which, legend has it, was once frequented by Squizzy Taylor.

I can remember picnicing by the creek when the western side of Broadmeadows Rd was largely farmland. There used to be a nice spot where it ran under Sharps Rd and there was a stand of large pine trees providing shade. It's just a dip in the road now.

My eldest sister could provide a lot of information on what Tulla was like back in the 50's and 60's.

by itellya on 2013-07-31 12:13:33

I knew Ruth and her mate, Rhonda Lilley well. They loved badminton and were heavily involved with the Hall Committee.Do you remember the putrid burning tyres in the yard near the shops? Cec and Lily Green ran a garage/shop in the old Junction Hotel and one day had a visit from a retired policeman who showed them a bullet that lodged in a door when the police tried to arrest Squizzy Taylor.

I can't really use the photo as I'm almost completely doing Mornington Peninsula history but Elayne Whatman of the Broadmeadows Historical Society would probably love a copy. Send me a private message and I'll give you her email address as well as my phone number. If your sister doesn't want to write her own journal about Tulla in the 50's and 60's, we could have a chat and I'll write the journal.

by jadethan on 2013-07-31 21:06:06

How do I send you a private message?!

No, I don't remember the burning tyres. I do remember the bonfires the local kids used to build for cracker night each year. A favourite area was in the triangular paddock at the northern end of the shops.

I used walk around the cars at the drive in selling Heralds and Sporting Globes when I was in primary school. My brother was pictured with a small group in the Argus when the drive in first opened. Lots of memories.

by itellya on 2013-11-01 18:23:48

Australasian Chronicle (Sydney, NSW : 1839 - 1843) Saturday 22 July 1843 p 4 Article
... Government Gazette -0 - TUESDAY, JULY 18. His Excellency the Governor has been pleased to appoint the following gentlemen to be magistrates of the territory and its dependencies, viz , John Fitsgerald Leslie Foster, Esquire, of Leslie Park, Port Phillip; etc.

by itellya on 2013-11-01 19:37:42

THE NEW MINISTRY.The Argus, Thursday 12 March 1857 p 5.
John Vesey Fitzgerald Foster, Esquire, to be the Colonial Treasurer or Treasurer.
Charles Gavan Duffy, Esquire, to be the Commissioner of Public Works.

Charles Gavan Duffy was acclaimed as a hero as soon as he arrived in Victoria, and was soon in parliament. He had fought to protect the rights of tenant farmers in Ireland who were being tossed off their small farms by landlords; many of these evictees were diggers whose mining rights gave them a vote. Duffy was granted much land in the parish of Nepean but not the site of the village of Sorrento. He and William Allison Blair were well-reported opponents in court, involving accusations of dummyism, and there was doubt about which of them had made a selection application for the Sorrento site first. S.S.Crispo suggested the dispute could be solved by selling the land as a village. Its name was provided by Duffy who was impressed by Sorrento in Italy.

John Pascoe Fawkner did not mince words. In this letter,he lets Foster and Duffy have it with both barrels!

Mr. Duffy says. " He had left home an invalid, to seek repose under a new sky." What a farce ! This is said in January, 1856, and on May 12th the Argus records his advent at Warrnambool, headed, " Mr. C.G. Duffy in the West." He comes out strong
-as strong as he possibly could have done at fifteen years of age, and perhaps as ill-informed. He alludes to the Government of his countryman, the great Dodger of Australia, and Mr. La Trobe, and talks of their mismanagement as if it was the act of the present Government, seemingly totally ignorant of the change that has taken place,and blinking the question that it was his friend and countryman Mr. John Vesey Fitzgerald Leslie Foster-I love to give the whole name -that exhibited the
"reckless profusion" and " supposed insolvency." (P.6, Argus,7-6-1856.)

by itellya on 2014-04-26 06:11:51

Lot 4 (M'Cormack). Parish of Tullamarine-Small farm of 21 acres, all enclosed, with slab hut, portion of Section No. 7, subdivision by Mr.Fawkner,
(P.2, Argus, 21-4-1865.)

In 1860, Maurice Crotty, who married a McCormack* lass from Annandale, on the other side of Fosters Rd., started leasing The Springs.

Joe Crotty's grandson told me that the McCormacks had a 44 acres farm called Chesterfield on the south side of Annandale Rd east of today's Lambeck Drive,whose southern boundary was an extension of the line of Sharps Rd. This was leased from George Annand,the grantee of section 2,Tullamarine. The McCormacks fled north to the Corryong area to escape retribution after being involved in hanging an aborigine. Maurice's wife heroically placed her body in the way to prevent a revenge killing.After this,they may have returned to Tullamarine and bought three 7 acre lots on Fawkner's subdivision.

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