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GEORGE THOMAS MASON from New Zealand

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Surnames: ELSTED MASON
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on 2010-09-16 07:27:35

timmason has been a Family Tree Circles member since Sep 2010. is researching the following names: MASON, ELSTED.

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by ngairedith on 2010-09-16 08:37:26

DO not know if this is the family you want ...

There was a George Thomas MASON born in New Zealand about 1869
- his parents are unknown at this time
- he was a Company Director
- he lived in Kelburn, Wellington at some stage
- he was living at 1 Goring Street, Thorndon, Wellington in at least 1917 & 1918
- he died on the 11th August 1947 aged 78
- he is buried in PLOT 798 O at Karori Cemetery

He married Eva Elizabeth HAND in 1894
- Eva was born about 1869 in New Zealand
- her parents are unknown at this time
- she died on the 9th September 1947 aged 78 (31 days after her husband) - she is also buried in PLOT 798 O at Karori Cemetery

Their 3 known sons were:
1897-1968 - Howard George Mason
- served in WWI as Sapper #36183 in the NZEF, 23rd Reinforcements Headquarters Staff, Divisional Signallers, embarking on 14th March 1917

1899-1977 - Kenneth Randall Mason
- Kenneth was an Insurance Clerk
- he served in WWI as Sapper #71343 in the NZEF, 39th Reinforcements Divisional Signallers, embarking on 13th June 1918
- Kenneth married Betty Stuart REID in 1928

1910-???? - Walter Wynne Mason Captain in the War
- he wrote Prisoners of War in 1954 - see an exert of the book Japanese Prisoners of War in New Zealand (Featherston)

by timmason on 2010-09-16 10:52:40

Many thanks, this is my family. I need to try and find George Thomas' parents. Howard was my grandfather. Thank you so much

by ngairedith on 2010-09-16 17:22:49

Do you have any names at all for George Thomas Mason's parents or even where they were from (which I presume to be England).
Your grandfather Howard was married in the Old Church, Letchworth, Hertfordshire on the 9th June 1919 to Annie March who was from there. She was a Sergeant in the W.R.A.F. at the time. Howard's brother Kenneth was the best man and Annie's sister Florence was the bridesmaid
If you have any names I will try to help you find them

by timmason on 2010-09-17 01:03:29

Thanks for the detail, I knew they were married before leaving the UK for NZ after WW1 but had no idea of any details. I know they were seperated on the troop ship trsvelling for about 6 weeks in really bad conditions. But my Gran was one tough cookie and not only survived the trip, she went on to live to 101 years old. She said though, her greatest achievement was to become friends with her mother - in - law!! I will get back to you as soon as I can find any names. Many thanks once again

by timmason on 2010-09-17 07:20:07

My Mother tells me that George Thomas Mason's mother died and that his father re-married. None of the kids liked the step mother and as a result all left home and cut off ties with the father. Geoge's father definitely came from England. I found a record at a NZ cemetery of a Edmund Thomas Mason who died 28/6/1902 at the age of 66. This would have made him 33 at the time of George's birth which is about right. Perhaps we can find some info on him. In the UK there was an Aunt Claire (no surname) that was a relative of the Mason's. She was about 84 in the late 1970's. Also a Cleff Guinness (a minister or priest) was my father's 2nd cousin, also from the UK. I know that Walter Wynne (we knew him as Wynne) has passed on but his widow, Freda, is still alive and lives in Gilford (?) in the UK. He also started a family tree. There was also a Mason in Cape Town who may have been George's brother. My father saw a team photo at the Kelvin Grove club and saw a person he thought looked just like his father. It turned out the man's name was Mason! (too much of a coincidence). Hope some of this is useful. Kind regards Tim

by ngairedith on 2010-09-17 09:00:47

the MASONs buried in Wellington Cemeteries from 1850-1995

by timmason on 2010-09-17 11:17:08

Am I right that Edmund Thomas Mason is the father of George Thomas Mason?

by ngairedith on 2010-09-17 11:24:34

that is not yet confirmed, but I am pretty confident that he was - I will continue researching. Am looking for the 2 wives of Edmund Mason but they are proving a little elusive at the moment. Could you tell me the date of Wynne's death as would just like to add that to the journal and Freda's maiden name if possible

by timmason on 2010-09-17 11:36:41

I will get back to on the above as soon as I have the details. I see Edmund first went to Australia. Do we know when he moved to NZ as I see George was born in NZ in 1869. You are doing fantastic work - thank you. Another thing - I see no details of my Gran's death in any of the cemetery records - why would this be so? She died around 1999 or 2000 in Paraparauma

by timmason on 2010-09-17 12:00:26

I see in the obituary notice that Thomas had 3 sons and 2 daughters and not the other way round. This seems right as my mother remembers talk of a son in Wellington, 1 in Australia and not knowing where the 3rd one was. Again the notice mentions Thomas arriving in NZ in 1879, but George was born 10 years earlier in NZ - maybe he was born in Australia

by timmason on 2010-09-17 12:01:58

I think Wynne died around 1989/90 but will try and get exact dates

by ngairedith on 2010-09-17 12:03:19

what was your grans name and approx year of birth?

by ngairedith on 2010-09-17 12:21:22

there is an Agnes Chalmers MASON buried in Paraparamum Cemetery
- she died aged 82 on the 19th November 1991
- in Plot 56, Cremation Wall

a John Andrew MASON died 5th November 1986 aged 69 and is buried Plot 55, Cremation Wall

also at Paraparaumu Cemetery is:
Ivan John MASON, died aged 70 on 5th August 1989
Daphne Olive MASON, died aged 71 on 20th May 1999
Alan MASON, died aged 61 on 7th June 1993

by timmason on 2010-09-17 17:35:40

My Gran was Annie Mason (nee March) and was 101 years old when she died, I think around 2000. She was Howard George's wife. I might be wrong regarding Wynne's date of passing. I saw something on the internet regarding a search for some folk from him and the date was around 2000. I have e-mailed my aunt in NZ to see if she knows

by ngairedith on 2010-09-17 19:43:28

You Gran, Anne Mason (nee March) was born on the 9th February 1897 in (or near abouts) Letchworth, Hertfordshire England

She married Howard Mason in a Military Wedding on the 9th June 1919 in Letchworth, Hertfordshire England. Howard was living in New Zealand and had travelled over to England to marry, as did his brother Kenneth, his best man. Kenneth returned to New Zealand shortly after the wedding. Howard and Anne returned on the ATHENIC on the 1st September

I am presuming that you were named after a son of theirs, David Frank 'Tim" Mason who married Beverley Annette HEADDY. David served with the Royal NZ Air Force in WWII

In 1929 & 1932 & 1934 Howard & Annie were living in Auckland
In 1939 Howard & Annie were invited to a 5 o'clock party at their friends flat on the Terrace which is in Wellington, so presuming they may have shifted down to Wellington by that date. (His brother Kenneth & his wife were also present)
By 1943 Howard & Annie were living in Kelburn Wellington

Annie died on the 14th August 1998 aged 101
- you say she died in Paraparaumu but aas she does not appear in their cemetery details I think perhaps she was buried elsewhere (or her ashes were taken away)
- I cannot find her buried in Karori Wellington or any Auckland cemeteries (nor have I found Howard's burial at this time)

by timmason on 2010-09-18 01:03:28

According to cemetery records in NZ my Granddad was cremated on 20/11/1968. Yes, I am named after my Dad's nickname "Tim" which he got as a baby because he had yellow jaundice and everyone called him "Tiger Tim". Your details on him are incorrect though. He moved to South Africa (Cape Town) in 1948 and met and married my Mom there. She is Joan Elizabeth (nee Elsted)born 6/02/1926 hence my initial enquiry regarding her maiden name. Her mother was an Ingels (I think that's how you spell it) originally from Scotland. Howard was with the NZ Tobacco CO. and transferred to Wellington around 1937 as my Dad was at Wellington College. My Grand parents lived in Grove RD in Kelburn, the family home which they inherited when George died.

by timmason on 2010-09-20 06:05:23

Some more info - Walter Wynne Mason's son Stephen, who lives in Auckland says he thinks Wynne died in December 1992. Freda's maiden name was Miller. Have you had any more luck with Edmund Thomas yet?

by timmason on 2010-09-22 15:42:54

Where should I go from here? Not hearing anything ....not sure what to do....no pressure just asking

by timmason on 2010-10-05 08:25:05

Some other info - my Aunt Lorna (my Dad's sister) tells me that she was told on many occassions that she was the first girl born to the family for several generations, which does not tie in with Edmund Thomas' 3 boys & 2 girls., Although if no one knew anything about theprevious family history how far back did they mean with "several generations. Also another tradition was that the eldest son of the eldest son had to have George in his names. Hope this helps as I have ground to a halt with my searches Kind regards Tim

by ngairedith on 2010-10-05 09:28:07

Hi Tim,
Joining the journal George Thomas Mason in New Zealand to this one as there is a lot of Mason information to be found there, just in case any one else is also looking for information on this branch of the family
Have you searched all the sites at that link for George ?? or other Masons that may be related.
Maybe you should write a journal about each of your 'famous' ancestors - this is sure to bring relatives 'out of the woodwork' to get in touch with you through here ...

by timmason on 2010-10-13 01:38:06

Just a few thoughts: My aunt in NZ says they always thought that George Thomas was born in England. Have we proof that he was born in NZ as stated in your first report.
The fact that family tradition dictated that the eldest son of the eldest son must have George in his names means that George Thomas' father must have George in his name, so I think I need to establish where exactly George Thomas was born and then pursue any Georges' from that area
Any thoughts

by ngairedith on 2010-10-14 07:42:40

latest response on George Thomas Mason 13th October 2010

by timmason on 2010-10-30 09:45:19

In your very first entry above you said there was a George Thomas Mason born in NZ around 1869. As he is my Great Grandfather it is very important the fact that you say "born in NZ". If this is true then I don't have to search Uk for his birth records, please can you confirm that he was born in NZ. Much appreciated, regards Tim

by ismason on 2011-08-10 16:24:30

my uncle george was maried to my grandmothers sister both of scottish descent however they came from america there father was known as the kernel their maiden name was browne my grandmother name was elsie short for elizabeth she married a stewart i never met him my father was a mason he was related to george ,thomas, harold ,jacob mason ollie mason was my fathers his sister his mothers name was annie isabel mason she was my grandmother on my fathers side

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