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George Willis White - Arrived in Victoria on the Northumberland. May 1875 fich 334 page 6

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George Willis White, Ernest Willis, Herbert George, Julia nee Harris - Arrived in Victoria on the Northumberland in May 1875.

Surnames: WHITE
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on 2013-04-22 02:22:47

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by margjoy on 2013-04-22 02:26:34

can anyone confirm this. Also, looking for Death of George Willis White.

by tonkin on 2013-04-22 03:44:44

There was a WHITE family arrived in Victoria on the "Northumberland in May 1875.
Code B. Fiche 334. Page 006.

Names and ages recorded as:

George aged 39 years.
Julia aged 36 years.
Louisa aged 09 years. *
Herbert aged 05 years.
Ernest aged 01 year.

* You did not mention Louisa.

by tonkin on 2013-04-22 03:58:24

I noticed Julia died in Camberwell and I expect this may be George's death.

Name: George Willis WHITE.
Died: 1923 in Camberwell, Victoria.
Age: 81 years.
Father: Stephen Webber WHITE.
Mother: Mary Ann BAGSHAW.
Ref: VDI #4621.

Cheers.

by margjoy on 2013-04-22 06:34:03

Thanks again tonkin. I have a family newspaper clipping showing Julia's death as 1947 December 25 at their home 'Tivoli' 5 Coolangatta Rd East Camberwell. So you could well be right. I believe Steven Webber and Mary Ann Bagshaw to be HIS parents.

by margjoy on 2013-04-22 06:39:47

Thanks tonkin. That is the Whites arrival to the Colony. Yes to Louisa.

by margjoy on 2013-04-22 06:52:51

I have another newspaper clipping with no indication of the year. I quote -
WHITE- on the 10th of May, at his residence "Tivoli" George Willis, dearly beloved husband of Julia White and loving father of Hubert (sic) Louise(Mrs Baker), Ernest, Horace (WA), Percy, Mabel (Mrs Lamborn), and brother of the late * White, aged 81, a colonist for 48 years.
* Nothing in that gap between late and White...

by margjoy on 2013-04-22 07:00:51

And also,
WHITE - On December 25 at 5 Coolangatta Rd East Camberwell, Julia, beloved wife of the late George Willis, and loved mother of Herbert, Louise (Mrs Baker), Ernest, Horace (Deceased), Percy (Deceased), and Mabel (Mrs Lamborn), in her 100th year.
(Private internment).

The family believed her to be nearly 100 but I have had trouble finding reconds for her birth. Do you research UK?? Kind regards Margaret

by tonkin on 2013-04-23 05:08:49

This appears to be Julia's death.

Name: Julia WHITE.
Died: 1947 Camberwell, Victoria.
Age: 99 years.
Father: Charles HARRIS.
Mother: Mary Ann COTTON.
Ref: VDI #13670.

I'm having a problem working out Julia's year of birth because of her age appearing on the passenger list in 1875 and her age given at death in 1947.

Something is wrong.

by margjoy on 2013-04-23 07:34:49

Still not right??
This is their marriage details- which assumes approximately a 1849 birth.
Name: George Willis White
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Julia Harris
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Nov 1869
Parish: Plumstead St Margaret
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Stephen Webber White
Spouse Father Name: Charles Harris
Register Type: Parish Register

by tonkin on 2013-04-23 09:06:40

It's never easy Margaret.

I have a feeling the ages appearing on the passenger list were wrong and Julia was 26 years old and not 36 as stated. It appears George's age may also be wrong going by his given age at death.

As you know George and Julia had another three children after they arrived in Australia. Their last born, Mabel Ethel, was born in Richmond in 1885. The birth certificate for Mabel should confirm George and Julia's correct ages. Depending on the informant of course.

The Louisa that arrived with George and Julia on the "Northumberland" in 1875 was aged 09 years, which means she was born about 1866/67. This also means she was born a few years before George and Julia were married in 1869.

Will await your comments.

by margjoy on 2013-04-23 20:35:33

Out of wedlock? Previous marriage? Adoption of an orphaned relative? Younger sister of Julia?? Who knows??
Never boring ahahaa
I shall do some more work and see what I find.
Herbert George kept a "black book" full of newspaper clippings (many with no year or paper Name) and hand written notes, great jigsaw puzzle pieces!
I really appreciate your help.

by asheppard on 2013-04-26 02:46:03

This is the 1871 England Census for George

Address in Hornsey Middlesex England
Household Members:
Name Age
George W White 28 b1843 Ramsgate Kent Occ; Pawnbroker
Julia White 22 b1849 New Cross Kent
Herbert G White 3 Months b Hornsey Middlesex

no sign of Louisa possibly with relatives.

Julia Harris in 1851 Census with parents & sister
Deptford Kent
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Harris 33 b Burford Oxfordshire Occ; Bricklayer
Mary A Harris 36 b Birmingham Warwickshire
Julia Harris 2 b Deptford Kent
Louisa M Harris 4 Mo b Deptford Kent


possibly her birth
Births Mar 1849
Harris Julia Greenwich 5 219

by margjoy on 2013-04-27 00:23:25

Thanks, asheppard and tonkin, I am following this up. Looks like Louisa is probably a sister.

by margjoy on 2013-04-27 00:23:58

Probate has confirmed death date, children, - Louise being Louise Alice Baker at that time.

by margjoy on 2013-04-27 00:26:10

Death Date 10/05/1923.

by asheppard on 2013-04-27 00:49:29

This is possibly Louise's marriage

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Louise Alice White
Name: Louise Alice White
Spouse Name: Harry Fred Baker
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1899
Registration number: 6106

and maybe her Birth

Births Mar 1870
White Louisa Alice St. Olave 1d 280

by tonkin on 2013-04-27 01:06:57

This looks like Louise's death.

Name: Louise Alice BAKER.
Died: 1949 West Richmond, Victoria.
Age: 76 years.
Father: George WHITE.
Mother: Julia HARRIS.
Ref: VDI #369.

Louise gave her birth place as London when she married BAKER in 1899.

by asheppard on 2013-04-27 21:29:29

Sorry forgot to add about St. Olave

The district St. Olave is an alternative name for St Olave Southwark and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Surrey.

by margjoy on 2013-04-30 17:17:13

Seven days of work on George Willis White and Julia Harris trying to link ages places, siblings, children, back checking others in the family, then I found his brother Richard Henry White (divorced) of 'Norwood' Brighton Victoria married a Louisa Marie Harris, parents - Charles Harris and Mary Ann Cotton so Louisa and Julia are sisters. But not the 9 yo Louisa on the ship Northumberland unless it is a printing error?? Age changed??

George Willis White probably worked in Richard White's Boots manufacturing company Young St Fitzroy. George was listed on various Electoral rolls as bootmaker, boot manufacturer, boot operative.

by margjoy on 2013-04-30 17:27:27

L.M. Harris witnessed the marriage of George and Julia so I assume that is Louisa Marie, Julia's sister.

by margjoy on 2013-05-01 18:34:11

My mistake, Herbert George, son of George Willis White, was the boot manufacturer, boot operative. Sorry

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