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Hannah Smith marraige to two person in 1852?

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One of my ancestors is Hannah Smith, the marriage of interest to me is to Charles Birchenough on 10 June 1852, however, it appears like the same person also married a Charle Moss on 28th June 1852.

I know Smith is a popular name and there may well be more than one Hannah Smith, but what are the chances of two Hannah Smith's with father John Smith living in Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme and both marrying a Charles?

Any comments to relievemy sanity will be greatly appreciated.

Hannah Smith
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
residence: 10 Jun 1852 , Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme, Cheshire, England
marriage: 10 Jun 1852 Prestbury, Cheshire, England
parents: John Smith
spouse: Charles Birchenough

and

Hannah Smith
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
residence: 28 Jun 1852 , Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme, Cheshire, England
marriage: 28 Jun 1852 Prestbury, Cheshire, England
parents: John Smith
spouse: Charles Moss

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by eastville Profile | Research | Contact | Subscribe | Block this user
on 2011-07-09 09:44:40

eastville , from Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England, has been a Family Tree Circles member since May 2011. is researching the following names: BIRCHENOUGH, IRVING, SMITH and 1 other(s).

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by mowsehowse on 2011-07-09 15:49:53

Hello,
It seems very clear to me that many families / areas had naming traditions.

The first son would be named for father, the second for paternal grandfather, the next for maternal grandfather, and the same for girls, mother, maternal grand mother, paternal grandmother.

Not always in that order, sometimes grandparents came before parents.

So if you have a family with 8, or maybe 14 children, who all live in the same area, and they all get married, and all name a son for grandad / daughter for grandma, you could find many Johns and/or Hannahs living in close proximity.

I have the situation with Nicholas Nowell in Brixham, for an example.

So you quite possibly may have cousins and second cousins all living in the same parish.

Or maybe not - only some serious detective genealogy will solve the mystery.

Good luck.................

by janilye on 2011-07-10 05:18:37

If I was looking for a Charles Birchenough who may have married your Hannah Smith I would have to go with Charles who was born abt 1825 in Stockport. was living in Prestbury in 1841.
Then back in Stockport in 1871 and 1901.

1841 England Census
1851 England Census
1871 England Census
1901 England Census
The sad part about this is no one knows who his parents were or who or when he married.
But I've looked at every other charles all over cheshire and a lot had 2 or 3 wives and none of them Hannah Smith Maybe he did squeeze a Hannah SMItH in and the marriage was annulled for some reason. Because she didn't stay around with him.

Mowsehouse showed you the 1841 census

In the 1871 census he was head of the house and his younger brother Samuel was living with him. They were both Bootmakers and employing 7 men. and the address was 16 Bridge Street Stockport.
It says there's 3 in the household but I don't see a 3rd.:

Name: Charles Birchenough
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport First
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 3659
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Birchenough 45
Samuel Birchenough 36




in the 1901 census he was living with his brother Samuel and Samuel's family both retired Shoemakers at 83 Shaw Heath, Stockport:

Charles Birchenough
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England



Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport First
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 3294
Folio: 44
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Birchenough 66
Mary Jane Birchenough 62
Florence Birchenough 19
Charles Birchenough 18
Charles Birchenough 76

by janilye on 2011-07-10 05:44:31

Here he is in 1851 living with brother Nathan and family the address is Hopes Cans or lanes Stockport:

Name: Charles Birchenough
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Brother
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 2157
Folio: 69
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Nathan Birchenough 32 shoemaker employing 5 men
Mary A Birchenough 29 wife
John Birchenough 10 son
Samuel Birchenough 7 son
Mary Birchenough 5 daughter
Ann Birchenough 2 daughter
Elizabeth Birchenough 1 MO
Charles Birchenough 25
Samuel Birchenough 17 Shoemaker
William Birchenough 14 Shoemaker
All born in Stockport Cheshire

I did see a Charles living with a Hannah at 6 Swindells Yard, Macclesfield his occupation was billposter. and in 1851 he was 39 and Hannah was 27 they had 3 children the eldest 12.
not right but I'll show it to you anyway, then you can rule him out.
Name: Charles Birchenough
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Birchenough
Gender: Male
Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Macclesfield
Town: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 2578
Folio: 60
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Birchenough 39
Hannah Birchenough 27
Thomas Birchenough 12
Mary Birchenough 6
George Birchenough 3 Day
Abraham Collier 69

by eastville on 2011-07-10 06:29:38

Jan

Thanks for this information. some detail do not tie up with the information I have work back from my Gr Grandfather Albert Birchenough born in 1865 in Macclesfield.

In 1881 census I find that Albert was living with his sister and her husband and child along with Alberts brother and sister.
Frederick Lees 1857
Mary Lees 1856 nee Birchenough
Frederick Lees 1877
George Bircheough 1861
Albert Birchenough 1865
Sarah Birchenough 1869

They are listed as living 56 Pickford Street, Macclesfield.

1871 Census shows
Charles Birchenough 1822
Hannah Birchenough 1834
Thomas Birchenough 1848
Mary Birchenough 1855
George Birchenough 1861
Albert Birchenough 1865
Sarah Birchenough 1868
Maria Birchenough 1871

All listed living on Pickford Street, Macclesfield

1861 Census shows the oldest in the family above. You have listed in your rely the family living at 6 Swindells Yard, Macclesfield.

1851 census shows Charles and Thomas Birchenouh living with George & Sarah Beath and their daughter Ann, also living in the same houshold are Thomas Lowe, John Rothwell, Francis Wilshaw and William Wilshaw.

I believe that Thomas 1848 is a son of a previous relationship/marriage, however, I can not find another marriage for Charles Birchenough.

1841 census shows a Charles Birchenough 1821 living in Aston-Under-Lynn. This is a wrong lead.

Also in 1841 census there is a Charles Birchenough 1826 it appears that he may be living with relatives rather than his own family. As the head is William (1816) married to Mary (1816) and have children Samuel (1836), Maria (1838) and Adam (1841). Mowsehouse provided the census details.

I have found Charles Birchenough death record, Jun 1874 in Macclesfield ref 8a83.

I have the marriage details for Charles and Hannah, Jun 1852 in Macclesfield ref 8a 206.

I know Hannah's parents are John Smith and Hannah Shore.

It looks like I have exhausted the lines of enquiry which are available on the web. It looks like I will have to dip into my pocket to obatin a marriage certificate, which will hopefully detail Charles fathers name. This I am told is not always a guarantee, hence my reluctance.

I appreciate your help, once again.

Regards

Stephen Smith

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