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HENDERSON arrival on the Gold Fields. 1855-1861

Query by margjoy

I have a John HENDERSON born in Dumbarton, Scotland in 1825. Married Mary Dogherty, born in Carvan near Dublin, Ireland. A number of children born in Scotland including Hugh, James, John, and then Neil in 1855, then William born in Nuggong Reef, Victorian Gold Fields on 6 October 1861. John died also in 1861 on 13 January.
So, they must have travelled to Australia within the years of 1855 and 1861.
I can't find immigration or ship passenger lists or
John's death place.
Also, 13 January to 6 October is 38 weeks and a very close to a full term birth.
Can anyone help?

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on 2013-06-01 09:47:14

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by tonkin on 2013-06-02 04:50:20

Hi margjoy.

Some of your details appear to be wrong.
John and Mary were married in Victoria, Australia.

MARRIAGE.

Groom: John HENDERSON.
Bride: Mary DOGHERTY.

Year married: 1854.
Place: Victoria.
Ref: Registry of Marriages, Victoria. Reg #1299.

by tonkin on 2013-06-02 05:13:47

John and Mary had five children in Victoria.
Note the spelling of DOGHERTY.

1.

John HENDERSON.
Born: 1855 Maldon, Victoria.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOUGHARTY.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #8417.

2.

James William HENDERSON.
Born: 1857 Maldon, Victoria.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOUGHARTY.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #2999.

3.

Neil HENDERSON.
Born: 1859 Maldon, Victoria.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOHERTY.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. reg #8804.

4.

William HENDERSON.
Born: 1861 Maldon, Victoria.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOHERTY.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #21830.

5.

Hugh Duncan HERDERSON.
Born: 1864 Maldon, Victoria.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOUGHERTY.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #16259.

There are variations in the spelling of Mary's maiden name but this appears to be the correct family.

by tonkin on 2013-06-02 05:53:05

John must have arrived before his year of marriage in 1854.
I expect the reason why you have not located John's arrival date in Australia is because you have been looking for the arrival of John and Mary HENDERSON with their children.

You have John's year of death as 1861, but you did not mention if he died in Victoria.

There was a John HENDERSON died in Victoria in 1861, but he was 77 years old and would have been born about 1784. You have John's year of birth as 1825, so this is not him.

May I ask where you obtained your information from regarding the births of John and Mary's children?

I will have another look tomorrow and see what I can dig up.

Hope the above helps for now.

Cheers.

by margjoy on 2013-06-02 09:47:49

"May I ask where you obtained your information from regarding the births of John and Mary's children?"
Great question tonkin! I went back through my information and some of it looks like Chinese whispers, now you have presented a clear picture. I have been searching on ancestry dot com and I see now where I have taken information from others without checking it for myself first.
I'm an addicted beginner. And really appreciate your help.
William was my Great Grandfather. This means he was alive till 1864 at least.
Now some work to clean it all up.
Kind regards

by tonkin on 2013-06-02 21:44:11

DEATH.

Name: James William HENDERSON.
Died: 1928 Ballarat, Victoria.
Age: 70 years.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOHERTY.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #224.

by tonkin on 2013-06-02 23:16:01

DEATH.

Name: William HENDERSON.
Died: 1936 Hawthorn, Victoria.
Age: 74 years.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOHERTY.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #4746.

by tonkin on 2013-06-03 00:38:29

DEATH.

Name: Hugh Duncan HENDERSON.
Died: 1929 Hotham West, Victoria.
Age: 64 years.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary DOHERTY.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #1764.

by tonkin on 2013-06-03 02:02:08

MARRIAGE.

Groom: Hugh Duncan HENDERSON.
Bride: Elizabeth GIBSON.
Year married: 1900.
Place: Victoria.
Ref: Registry of Marriages, Victoria. Reg #3832.

by steve74 on 2013-06-03 02:12:50
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by steve74 on 2013-06-03 02:16:37
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by tonkin on 2013-06-03 02:53:10

There was only the one Hugh Duncan HENDERSON died in 1929 so we now have two places of death for him. Could be the person that placed the death notice got it wrong. Hugh may have been living in North Melbourne at the time of his death. May need a death certificate to sort things out.

The Mary HENDERSON buried in the Ballarat Cemetery is certainly worth looking at.
Here is her death.

Name: Mary HENDERSON.
Died: 1908 Ballarat East, Victoria.
Age: 85 years.
Father: Not recorded.
Mother: Not recorded.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #351.

And then we have this death.

Name: John HENDERSON.
Died: 1910 Ballarat, Victoria.
Age: 81 years.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary HINDLEY.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria, Reg #4119.

This would put John's year of birth circa 1829.
This could be the Mary and John HENDERSON you seek margjoy.

John's death certificate should name his wife and children.

by tonkin on 2013-06-03 03:10:58

This appears to be the Death and Birth for Elizabeth GIBSON married to Hugh HENDERSON in 1900.

DEATH.

Name: Elizabeth HENDERSON.
Died: 1924 in Geelong, Victoria.
Age: 54 years.
Father: George GIBSON.
Mother: Louise WEBB.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #9628.

BIRTH.

Name: Elizabeth Ann GIBSON.
Born: 1867 in Majorca, Victoria.
Father: George GIBSON.
Mother: Louise WEBB.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #22775.

by margjoy on 2013-06-03 04:04:38

Wow, tonkin and steve74, you have been busy and found some great information.
Very much appreciated. I hope I can help others as well as you do, someday.
Kind regards

by tonkin on 2013-06-03 04:34:03

DEATH.

Name: Neal HENDERSON.
Died: 1872 Not recorded, Victoria.
Birth place: Maldon.
Age: 13 years.
Father: John HENDERSON.
Mother: Mary Not recorded.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #256.

Different spelling for Neil but this will be him.

That leaves the John HENDERSON born in 1855 to find.

by margjoy on 2013-06-03 07:39:47

North Melbourne was formerly known as Hotham.
"On 26 August 1887 the Borough (hotham) was renamed North Melbourne Town, after the completion of the imposing North Melbourne Town Hall and the Metropolitan Meat Market.[3]" Wikipedia
North Melb Football club was originally Hotham Football Club.

by margjoy on 2013-06-03 09:33:48

Ballarat Cemetery has a listing for John Henderson - buried 30/6/1910 age 81.
So, that coincides nicely. I will be in Ballarat next May/June, so, I will have some
visiting to do and take some photos.
Thanks again.
Kind regards

by steve74 on 2013-06-03 22:42:00
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by steve74 on 2013-06-03 23:59:01
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by steve74 on 2013-06-04 00:41:01
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by margjoy on 2013-06-04 06:04:08

Hi Steve74, yes I've been looking and looking. Smooth sailing, then rough waters again ... hahaha
I'm not sure about the John Henderson in Ballarat Cemetery ... there is another (Ballarat) Henderson family claiming him. There were other Henderson families in Ballarat listed on the Census. The Census trail is not clear. East or West Ballarat?? 1856 shows a John and a Francis Henderson, miners at 'Pegleg Gully' Loddon, Maldon, which sounds realistic as the children of John and Mary were born in Maldon. But years later they are in the same address but no other family members.
The 1903 and 1909 Census have a lot more Hendersons but not a clear picture yet.

by margjoy on 2013-06-04 06:05:01

I have also seen the users.tpg.com page and think I have got that same family on Ancestry.com and think that is where I got some of the misinformation that started this Journal. Or at least we found some of the same clues elsewhere on the web. I sent her an email inviting her to look at this Journal. Will keep looking.

by steve74 on 2013-06-04 06:46:02
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by margjoy on 2013-06-05 00:33:34

Good clues, thanks Steve.

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