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HILL HILLIS, PIONEER OF RED HILL NEAR DROMANA, VIC, AUST AND HIS RELATIVES (THE TWO BOB WHITES ETC.)

Journal by itellya

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on 2013-01-14 06:58:57

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-01-20 06:58:35

I have been trying to paste this in the journal for ages.

It comes from my journal whose title is the first sentence in bold type below.

Frederick Hobley was a prominent member of the Victorian Police Force. The Chief Commissioner,who had come from Scotland Yard where forensic science was well developed,reorganised the Criminal Investigation Branch in 1938.Detective training courses, run by Frederick Hobley, were organised at the headquarters in Russell St, Melbourne. Frederick was an expert in photography and ballistics. He spent much of his time in investigating baffling cases and giving expert testimony in courts.(Trove.)
Frederick's father was William Henry Hobley, who was born at Schnapper Point(Mornington)on the Mornington Peninsula,Victoria,Australia in 1857. William married Elizabeth James at Main Creek (possibly Red Hill) on the Peninsula on 11-6-1884.By 1885 William and Elizabeth were settled at Rosebud on land for which William received the grant in 1890. The International Genealogical Index-Southwest Pacific shows that their first child, William Henry Hobley, was born there on 31-8-1885. Then followed George (2-2-1887),Ethel May (2-5-1889), Joseph (1-5-1894), Charles (9-8-1896), Frederick (4-10-1898), Elizabeth Violet (26-1-1901),Harold (20-6-1904)and Samuel (17-5-1906), all born at Rosebud. Their next child, Ernest, was born at Leongatha in Gippsland on 24-8-1908.A BIT MORE PEACEFUL THERE PERHAPS! [

by itellya on 2013-01-20 19:24:44

ISAAC WHITE.

Why did Robert White Snr and Jnr turn up at Rosebud in 1875? Was there a previous family connection with the area? In the Bucher (pronounced bush-er) section, while painting a word picture of the area near the"Rosebud" wreck in 1864-5, a decade after the stranding, I referred to Captain Adams, between the 1864 and 1865 assessments, taking over Isaac White's grant, between Parkmore Rd and Adams Avenue AND IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE 150 ACRES, CROWN ALLOTMENT 18 WANNAEUE MINUS THE 2ACRE LOT 86, THAT ROBERT WHITE JNR OCCUPIED A DECADE LATER.Was Robert White related to Isaac White?

Just on spec, I googled isaac white,clackmannon and firstly discovered that the place of origin of the White and Cairns families is actually Clackmannan. The people listed below were far too early to feature in Rosebud's history but it is interesting to note names such as Henry and Russel that appear in the Bullocky Bob White family tree AS WELL AS ISAAC.

Margaret White
b.12 SEP 1680 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

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Parents and Siblings

F. Henry White1642 - 1711/12
M. Demaris Page Morison1659 -

Arnold White
Henry White, III
Isaac White
Margaret White1680 -
Demaris White1684 -
Mary White1696 -

Spouse and Children
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H. William Russell1676 -
W. Margaret White1680 -

Henry Russel1711 -

Why did Isaac White obtain the grant for crown allotment 17 Wannaeue? Harvey Marshall, a descendant of Captain Adams still living on crown allotment 20 (Wannaeue Village)has a priceless scrapbook of documents and cuttings, family folklore etc. (which I must copy for the Dromana museum!)

One of the documents mentions an indenture taken out on a quarter acre block at Sandridge (Port Melbourne) by the captain and Isaac. I believe this was in the captain's will and mentioned Isaac's affection for the captain's wife. Captain Henry Everest Adams arrived in 1845 according to the Dromana Pioneer Pathway but the Dromana Historical Society must have had evidence that he had arrived in 1839-40 when it made a submission that a park on a Tom Maw subdivision be named after the captain.

I believe that Isaac White was a very good friend of the Adams and either acted as a Dummy for the captain or settled on crown allotment 19 to look after Eliza while the captain continued to trade with places such as Singapore (where his Vivyan Vineyard produce was in high demand despite the testimony, I think by Robert Rowley in Nell Arnold's history, that it was strong enough to knock your socks off or words to that effect); he returned with goods such as sandalwood.

by itellya on 2013-01-29 05:50:25

Congratulations to Ian McKeown, a descendant of James McKeown, the Red Hill and Dromana pioneer. Ian was awarded the Order of Australia Medal on Australia Day, 2013, for his services to the community and veterans. Ian, who served in Korea in 1954 and Vietnam in 1964-5, is a long-time member of the Dromana Historical Society. See the article "Soldier's Surprise" on page 12 of the Peninsula Weekly of 30-1-2013.

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