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HINDHOPE ESTATE (PART 3, First Ave, Thomas St, Rosebrook St), ROSEBUD,VIC., AUST.

Journal by itellya

The land north of McCombe St and east of Rosebrook St was referred to as section A in the 1919 assessments. This was the second stage of the subdivision first advertised in 1914, the 70 "seaside" lots north of McCombe St being placed on sale in 1913 when the Hindhope Villa had 39 acres of grounds remaining. As Section A was the rest of Hindhope except for 14 acres west of Rosebrook St,it can be concluded that the land east of Rosebrook St consisted of 25 acres. Frederick Allan Quinton bought many blocks near the Hindhope Villa block (lot 95 and 96) but Alexander Mackie Younger's first wife bought the 14 acres of grounds, which might account for the absence of lots 19 to 32 on the subdivision plan,which makes no mention of section A.

Those assessed in 1919 on land in section A were:
A.L.Adcock, Red Hill, 6, 7, N.A.V. 2 POUNDS!; H.Cairns 14, c/o Mrs Papper, 433 George St.,Fitzroy; Mace, Wangaratta, 84, 85,86; W.R.Mullens 17, 18, c/o Jennings Rosebud; J.Patterson,Rosebud, 13; Mrs Emily June Ada Nethercote, Hawthorn, 12.
Not all of the above gained title. H.Cairns could have been Harry or Helen, neither of whom died for some time so the partly paid-off block may have been sold because of financial difficulties or an offer that couldn't be refused. The Mullens and Jennings family were related by marriage as shown in part 2. L.Adcock of Red Hill was occupying 42 acres and buildings on crown allotment 20C Wannaeue (at Melway 190 D 11-12) in 1919. I can find no Cairns/Papper connection so perhaps the Fitzroy family was leasing the block. Mr Mace's full name is below.

All lots below were transferred from the developer, Arthur A. Thomas to the buyer.

1 --- 14-9-1923--- Elizabeth Lyng --- 100' 10"--6 First Ave.
2 --- 14-9-1923--- Elizabeth Lyng---- 50'------As above.
3 --- 27-3-1922--- Margaret Agnes Mott--50'------No.1 McCombe St.
4 --- 20-5-1924--- Arthur Nichols ----- 50'------No.3.
5 --- 8-7-1925--- Charles Nichols -----50'------No.5.
6 ---15-11-1916--- Leonard Frank Adcock-50'------No.7.
7 ---15-11-1916--- Leonard Frank Adcock-50'------No.9.
THOMAS STREET------------------------------------------
8--- 25-8-1924 --- William Alderson *1--50'------Unit 1 and 2, No.11 McCombe St
9 ---25-11-1937---Harold Thomas Devine--50-------No.13.
10-- 7-8-1921 --John Forrest Kilpatrick-50'------No.15 west to middle of drive.
11-- 7-8-1921 --John Forrest Kilpatrick- 50'-----No.17 and west half of drive.
12--16-4-1920-Emily Irene Ada Nethercote- 50'----No. 19.
13---27-4-1921--- James Kilgour Rae --- 50'------1/21 McCombe St (west to pillar between carports), and 5 and 6 of 1A Rosebrook St behind.
14---18-11-1921--Alfred Freeland Gibbs---50'-----2/21 McCombe St (east to pillar between carports),and 3 and 4 of 1A Rosebrook,fronting Rosebrook.
15--- 9-3-1921 ---Gladys Iris Jennings---50'-----Plaza Car Park to east kerb of entry/exit separator.
16--- 9-3-1921----Gladys Iris Jennings---50'-----to diagonal crack in footpath west of entry/exit.
17---19-12-1923---Edward Adolph Mattner--50'----west to pedestrian crossing sign.
18---19-12-1923---Edward Adolph Mattner--50'----west to double veranda pole outside post office.

*1. William Alderson lived on a Rosebud Fishing Village block, and being a Carlton supporter, wasresponsible for the colours of the Rosebud Footy Club jumper. It was changed to incorporate a light horizontal panel for one year because old Mr Dark had trouble spotting the players in the late afternoon but a return to the Alderson design was demanded.
*2.The Jennings family's background is discussed in my journal about connections between the Rosebud and Geelong areas.

As mentioned previously,lots 18-32 were probably allocated to the 14 acres of "Hindhope Villa" grounds transferred to Elizabeth May Younger on 17-8-1918.This eventually became "Hindhope Park" on 5 acres (now the Plaza), and house blocks on Boneo Rd, Maybury St, Donald St and the west end of Hope St.

It is possible that lots 18-32 were intended to front the west side of Rosebrook St with lots 19 and 20 fronting McCombe St west of lot 18, each with a frontage of 50',between points 200 and 300 feet west of Rosebrook St. Lots 21 to 31 would have run uphill from the bend in Rosebrook St with frontages of 50 feet and depths of 160', except for lot 21 which would have had a frontage of 100' because of the angle of the south east boundary of lots 15-18.

The reason for the above assumptions is that the sketch of title for Elizabeth May Younger's purchase on 17-8-1918 indicates that Hope St extended 160 feet west of Rosebrook St and that a lane 550' long went due (magnetic) north almost to the rear boundary of lot 18, with another lane veering left 191 feet from the end for 213 feet until it reached a point 100 feet west of the south west corner of lot 18, from which it ran parallel to lot 15-18 boundaries to meet McCombe St at a right angle.

No such lanes were planned for the first stage, north of McCombe St, or the second stage, east of Rosebrook St; they would have been intended for the purpose of a sanitary service.Postscript-There do seem to be back lanes in the other areas mentioned. In residential areas without sewerage, the toilet was built on the back fence line and the nightman would drive along the back lane and replace the full pan with an empty one.It would be interesting to find out where the shire of Flinders dumped its "fertiliser".
Essendon's was dumped on Cam Taylor's "St John's" which became the original (north) part of Essendon Aerodrome.
I wonder if trove will tell me when a sanitary service commenced in Rosebud.

It hasn't but by 1910 Dromana and Sorrento had a sanitary service and Portsea was demanding one. This may have influenced Thomas to include the lanes west of Rosebrook St, but the influence may have come from Miss Alice Currie.

It was just before war broke out in 1914 that Miss Alice Currie put before the public a plan providing seaside holi days for country folk on the most economical basis possible, in the hope of raislng funds to bring that plan to fruition. There was every possibility that she would have received the support she asked for but the war intervened and, as with many ...etc.

In a letter which appeared in The Argus on July Miss Currie outlined the plan upon which it is proposed to
establish residential seaside camps sanitated and supervised and self-supporting by means of very moderate charges...etc.

When Miss Currie made her idea public in 1914 the plan of an organised residential camp with equipment as simple, plain and standardised as possible and consistent with comfort and efficiency was taken up commercially as a business venture at Rosebud with special terms for country people for the last three years.
(P.13, Argus, 10-7-1935.)

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Tuesday 3 May 1932 p 3 Article
... A SEASIDE CAMP. Miss Alice Currie of Toorak, who will be remembered for her advocacy of sea-side camps has had her ambitions realised In the organised permanent model camp at Hindhope Park, Rosebud, Victoria. The camp has been established by private enterprise and last summer it accommodated ...etc.

33 ---11-3-1924 --Frederick Allan Quinton 50' --- 25 Rosebrook with 8 Hope St in eastern half.
34 --- As above ------------------------- 50' --- 23 McCombe.
35-- Application in 1993, Woodward -----50' --- No.21.
36---19-6-1925- Margaret Jennie Edwards --50' --- No 19.
37 --- 13-5-1927-- Harold Liversidge -----50' --- No.17.
38 --- 18-6-1924--Harold John Corry ------50' --- No 15.
39 --- 23-5-1923--Edgar George Hughes ----50' --- No.13.
40 --- 8-3-1923 --James Kilgour Rae ------50' --- No.11.
41 ---As above ---------------------------50' --- Southern 50' of No. 7 to peg near brick wall.(Could be number 9 but no number is displayed.)
42----As above ---------------------------50' --- Northern 33 feet of No.7 and north to middle of 1/5 gate.
43 ---As above----------------------------50'---- Remainder of No.5.
44 ---As above----------------------------50' --- No.3.
45 ---As above but 46' 4.5" frontage and 3' easement on north side. No. 1 Rosebrook St.

LOT-----DATE----TRANSFERRED TO ------FRONTAGE --- ----------NOW
8 McCombe side boundary 146'3.5' to bend and another 36'3". Paced out correct.
46 --- 25-9-1923---Ethel Corinth Stewart--128'3"------ No.2,opposite 1, 3, 5.
47 --- 24-3-1918---Walter Burnham --------50'--------- No.4,opposite north part of 7.
48 --- 24-3-1918---Walter Burnham --------50'--------- No.6 opposite south part of 7& No 9 drive.
49 --- 12-8-1927---Ethel Corinth Stewart--50'----------No.8 opposite No.9 between drive and south boundary.
50 --- 8-4-1925----David Brownhill Bruce--50'----------No.10 opposite No.11.
51 --- 16-4-1925 --Mary Jane Hill --------50'----------No.12 (new double storey at front) opposite No.13.
52 --- 21-6-1920 --Lily McBean------------50'----------No.14 opposite north half of 15-17.
53 --- 21-6-1920---Lily McBean------------50'----------No.16 opposite south half of 15-17.
54 --- 11-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton-50'---------No.18 opposite No.19.
55 --- Ditto------------------------------50'----------No.20 opposite No.21.
56-----Ditto------------------------------50'----------No.22 opposite 23.
57 --- 15-4-1921--Minnie Irene Waterhouse-50'----------No.24 opposite 25.
58 --- 4-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton-50'----------No.26 opposite 27.
59 ----Ditto------------------------------50'----------No 28 (and Hope St back unit) opposite 29.
HOPE ST-----------------------------------------------------------------

LOT 95.
The title for the Hindhope Villa block of 1 acre 1 rood and 39 perches was for lot 96 (now 46, 48 and 50 First Ave)and lot 95 whose north and south boundaries were the same as the front and back fence lines of the houses on the south side of Hope St. The southern boundary adjoined lot 60 (which was directly opposite the east end of Hope St) but went west another 20 feet so the Hindhope Villa residents could access the 14 acres of "grounds" west of Rosebrook St via Hope St.

The north west corner of was in the middle of Windella Ave and from this point I followed the line of Thomas St south for 180 feet (60 paces.) I came exactly to the bend in Windella Avenue. Bends in an otherwise straight road can only mean two things: (1)dodging an obstruction such as a boggy patch or a too-steep gradient or (2)a boundary between two subdivisions (i.e. Hindhope and The Thicket.)

Windella Avenue to this bend (the southern boundary of numbers 5 and 2 Windella Ave)is wholly on lot 95 as are 1, 3, 5 Windella and the front lawn of No.2 in front of the carport.

60 ---11-3-1924--Frederick Allan Quinton--50'-------------No.31 opposite Hope St.
61---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.29 opp.28.
62 --Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.27 opp.26.
63---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.25 opp.24.
64---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.23 opp.22.
65---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.21 opp.20.
66---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.19 opp.18.
67---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.15-17 (vacant part from northern boundary to north side of gate),opposite No.14.
68---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------Southern half of 17 including driveway and house, opposite No.16.
69---8-7-1925----Bell Frances Hill--------50'-------------No.13,opposite No. 12.
70---6-8-1925---Robert Percival Wall------50'-------------No.11,opposite No. 10.
71---25-2-1929--Elsie Bowerman Leigh------50'-------------No.9 south of its driveway,opp. No.8.
72---2-6-1947---Roy Marcus Dark-----------50'-------------No.7 south from said part of tree to south side of No.9's driveway),opposite No.6.
73---23-8-1926--Lucy Alice Thompson-------50'-------------northern part No.7(south to northern edge of nature strip tree), opposite No.4.
74---23-3-1926--David Hamilton -----------50'---------------No.5 opp. south part No.2.
75--29-9-1924-QUINTON(Allen Lawrence,Norman Frederick)-50'--No.3 opp. central third No.2.
76--22-1-1926---William Alderson----------47'10"-----------No.1 opp. north (almost) third No.2.
Side boundary of 7 McCombe,155'9" to bend and another 26'1"the present garage) to William's block.

Side boundary of lot 1 (McCombe St)----- 101'10". Now 6 First Avenue.
77---11-6-1928---James Nichols ----------125'7"--- 8 First Ave (75 feet)and No.10 (50 feet.)
78---15-4-1925---Gertrude Espie----------50'-------No.12.
79---30-6-1927---Hugh John Parkes------- 50'-------No.14.
80---30-6-1927---Hugh John Parkes------- 50'-------No.16.
81---23-8-1926---Lucy Alice Thompson---- 50'-------No.18.
82---7-4-1926----Albert Woolley Craig----50'-------No.20.
83---15-6-1926---Janey Isabella Watts----50'-------No.22.
84---19-2-1919 --Arthur Reginald Mace----50'-------No.24.
85---Ditto-------------------------------50'--Part 26-8 south to .5 metre past power pole.
86---Ditto-------------------------------50'-----south half of 26-8.
87---11-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton-50'------No.30.
95---(9-1-1923 Annie Cameron,(12-3-1926 Keith McGregor)Mortgaged to Alex Mackie Younger 30-12-26 and discharged on 31-3-1927, (31-3-1927 Gilbert Livingstone Culliford), (31-3-1927 The National Permanent Building Society).
These transfers also involved lot 96 to the west,lots 95 and 96 comprising the homestead block of one acre one rood and thirty nine perches,virtually one and a half acres.The frontage of lot 95 was 180 feet. Numbers 46, 48 and 50 each havea frontage of 60 feet with the southern fenceline of No.50 indicating the boundary between Hindhope and The Thicket. No. 50 First Avenue is the Hindhope Villa.

96---- (See lot 95 above.) The western boundary is virtually on Windella Ave running 170 feet south from a spot 20 feet across Thomas St which I just realised is named after the developer, Arthur A.Thomas)in line with the front fence line of houses on the south side of Hope St to a spot level with the back fence line of those houses. Details re occupancy of lot 96 are given before the start of THOMAS ST,EAST SIDE.

97----11-3-1924--Frederick Allan Quinton--50'--- the western 30 feet of Windella Ave, 1 Hope St west to the middle of the third fence panel, and most of No.2 Widella Ave to the south.
98----3-7-1954---Denzal Victor Victor Purser-50'---- The western part of 1 Hope St.
99----11-3-1924----Frederick Allan Quinton---50'-----3 Hope St
100---Ditto----------------------------------50' ----5 Hope St
101---Application 1993,Woodward--------------50'-----7 Hope St.(The application would have been to create dual occupancy for 7A,also on lot 101,at the back. Includes the 7A driveway.)
102 and 103? --11-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton---- 150' (to about 10 feet past the line of west side of Rosebrook e.g. the Plaza fence.) Nos. 9,11 and 13 Hope St, all with 50' frontages. 103 is confusingly written straddling the line 10 ft west of Rosebrook St[ rather than within a block as all the other lot numbers were.


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on 2013-07-22 03:40:55

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by England on 2013-07-22 12:13:32

no sorry

by itellya on 2013-07-23 00:08:12

A fantastic description of Hindhope Park by a lady who discovered, on the first night of their month-long holiday there, that her child had measles has been added to Ray Woolridge's memories, the journal now re-titled as HINDHOPE PARK AND OTHER ROSEBUD MEMORIES.

by itellya on 2013-07-24 09:06:18

Two details I have not included are: (1) volume and folio numbers in case you wish to find out how long your ancestor held the property and (2)street name and number in the suburb specified. The first can be supplied within seconds and the second within minutes once I reach the library. If you need these details,please specify in a private message.

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