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History of Beckinsale Family in Wales.

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on 2013-12-11 13:29:06

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by noggin on 2013-12-12 05:07:53

There are a number of Beckinsales in the south Wales area, do you have some names, places of birth and birth dates to work with ?

by Hepzibah on 2013-12-12 15:51:00

Josiah Beckinsale d December 6,1920

by Hepzibah on 2013-12-12 15:51:43

Sorry Should have added "Bangalow NSW".

by noggin on 2013-12-12 18:11:48

Josiah Beckinsale
Web: International, Find A Grave Index
Name: Pontypool Wales; h/Hannah Beckinsale
Death Date: 1920
Burial Place: Bangalow, New South Wales, Australia
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Memorial
Birth: unknown
Death: 1920 (b. c1846)

Note: 74y; b. Pontypool Wales; h/Hannah
Burial: Bangalow Cemetery
Bangalow
New South Wales, Australia
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Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Josiah Beckinsale
Death Date: 1920
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Joseph
Registration Year: 1920
Registration Place: Byron Bay, New South Wales
Registration number: 20686
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It looks like Josiah was born in Pontypool Wales in abt 1846. I assume Hannah was is wife and his father's name was Joseph.

by noggin on 2013-12-12 18:18:00

This looks like it could be you Josiah. It late in the uk will look further in the morning
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1871 Wales Census
Name: Josiah Beckinsale
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
Town: Pontypool
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Pontypool
Sub-registration District: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 44

Josiah Beckinsale 23
Hannah Beckinsale 24
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Josiah Beckinsale
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1869
Registration District: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 198
Spouse: Hannah Reech
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1861 Wales Census
Name: Josiah Beckinsale
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Beckinsale
Mother's Name: Ann Beckinsale
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
Town: Pontypool
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Pontypool
Sub-registration District: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Household Schedule Number: 189

Joseph Beckinsale 50
Ann Beckinsale 46
James Beckinsale 18
William Beckinsale 15
Josiah Beckinsale 13
Elizabeth Beckinsale 11
Ann Beckinsale 8

by Hepzibah on 2013-12-12 19:51:46

Thank you Noggin .....This seems to be correct.
Apparently Josiah came out to Australia in 1878 and both he and Hannah arrived in Brisbane, Queensland and eventually moved to Bangalow in Byron Bay District in New South Wales. It seems that Josiah sailed for Australia the year of or after his Father, Joseph's death.

According to your answer here:- In 1861 Joseph was 50 therefore his birth date would be 1811 even though I have it as 1809,(the difference would depend on the month of his birth and the month of the Census.) he died 13th December 1876 aged 67.........although a relative once gave me his age being 76 at the time of his death , which I think was a simple transposition of figures, which happens.

Determining the Maiden Surname of Hannah, the wife of Josiah has been a bit of a problem which I would really like to solve. The Hannah translated as Reech was actually Reece when the earlier index document was expanded it could be read clearly, however, it may have been Rees.
Hannah was born 3rd September 1846 having passed away 1912 in Bangalow, Byron Bay, New South Wales. I have been unable to verify the birth date due to the lack of knowing her real maiden name.

The other problem I have is the matter of the maiden name of Joseph Beckinsale's wife Ann, Mother of Josiah, and grandmother of John who was born in Cardiff.

Hope you had a good rest overnight. And thank you.

by noggin on 2013-12-13 05:09:03

Thereis a clue here Hannah's father's name was Thomas and mother Hannah. On the registration sheet hannah is down as Reece


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Hannah Beckinsale
Death Date: 1912
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Place: Byron Bay, New South Wales
Registration number: 14972

by noggin on 2013-12-13 05:20:59

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Hannah Reece
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1847
Registration District: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 149
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This is the only Hannah with parents Thomas & Hannah I could find in the Registration District of Pontypool. Josiah was living in Trevethin in 1861. Surname here Reese.

1851 Wales Census
Name: Hannah Reese
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Reese
Mother's Name: Hannah Reese
Gender: Female
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Pontypool
Sub-registration District: Pontypool

Thomas Reese 47
Hannah Reese 44
William Reese 17
Reece Reese 12
Mary Ann Reese 11
Hannah Reese 4

by noggin on 2013-12-13 05:29:03

Queensland, Australia, Passenger Lists, 1848-1912
Name: Hannah Beckinsale
Age: 31
Birth Year: abt 1847
Ship Name: Caroline
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: Maryborough
Arrival Date: 12 Oct 1878

by noggin on 2013-12-13 05:58:48

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Josiah Beckinsale
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1847
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 104

by noggin on 2013-12-13 06:08:35

I could not find a marriage for Joseph and Ann. You may have to get a copy of Josiah's birth cert to find Ann's surname.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Joseph Beckinsale
Birth: abt 1809
Death: Oct 1876 - Pontypool, Monmouthshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Beckinsale
Birth: abt 1815
Death: Oct 1905 - Pontypool, Monmouthshire

by noggin on 2013-12-13 06:16:45

I could not find a marriage for Thomas and Hannah. You may have to get a copy of Hannah's birth cert to find Hannah's surname.

by Hepzibah on 2013-12-13 16:18:10

Oh my ! Thank you so very much "noggin". Incredible !
The next I am looking for begins with John Beckinsale marrying Sarah Ann Powell
in the March quarter of 1870 in the Church of St Illtyd, parish of Mamhilad, Pontypool Distric, Wales. This church was apparently built in the 5th or 6 th Century.
The Eastern wall Stained glass Windows were installed the year before......So it must have been quite a "treat".
They had a daughter, Sarah Ann Beckinsale who was born 15th March 1884 in Paddington, New South Wales, and married Charles Frederick William Bell 7th November 1908 at her home in Oxford Street, Woollahara, New South Wales.
Sarah died 20th August 1946in NSW, and CFW died 8th April 1970 in Parkville Victoria, Australia. He was born 27th May 1884 in Parkside South Australia. An only child.
My problem here is to trace back Charles Frederick William Bell whose family originated in Wales. (Someone once said something about the name actually being Bebb....but there is no proof.)
Is there any hope of finding this one please?
Once again, thank you so very very much.
Kindest of Regards to you.

by noggin on 2013-12-13 18:33:01

This gives his parents names as William Edward Bell & Eliza Jane Spry


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Charles Fredrick William Bell
Birth Date: 27 May 1884
Father's Name: William Edward Bell
Mother's Name: Eliza Jane Spry
Birth Place: Parkside
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 189
Volume Number: 327

by noggin on 2013-12-13 18:39:32

This is the marriage of William Edward Bell & Eliza Jone Spry. ** fathers names

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: William Edward Bell
Father's Name: William Edward Bell **
Spouse Name: Eliza Jone Spry **
Spouse's Father's Name: Alfred Spry
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1883
Marriage Place: Res Of Thomas Collier Parkside
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 1129
Volume Number: 135

by noggin on 2013-12-13 18:48:52

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Eliza Jane Spry
Father's Name: Alfred Spry
Mother's Name: Catherine Timmins
Birth Place: Brighton, Victoria
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 52

by Hepzibah on 2013-12-13 19:12:38

Oh Thank you so much. Now I will need to trace William Edward Bell the father of William Edward Bell as to when they came to Australia and if they came from Wales.
Although I am still bothered about Ann Beckinsale whose husband was Joseph Beckinsale.
As you say, I may need to get the Birth Certificate of Josiah Beckinsale.
Thank you again.

by noggin on 2013-12-13 19:52:06

Ampney, Glamorgan, Wales this is incorrect Ampney I believe is in Gloucestershire

1851 Wales Census
Name: Jos Beckinsale
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Beckinsale
Gender: Male
Where born: Ampney, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: St Woollos
Ecclesiastical parish: St Woollos
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Newport

Jos Beckinsale 40 B Ampney, Glamorgan, Wales
Ann Beckinsale 31 B Ampney, Glamorgan, Wales
Sarah Beckinsale 13 BAmpney, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary Beckinsale 12 B Monmouthshire, Wales
John Beckinsale 10 B Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
James Beckinsale 8 B Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Willm Beckinsale 5 B Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Josia Beckinsale 3 B Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizth Beckinsale 1 BNewport, Monmouthshire, Wales

by noggin on 2013-12-13 19:55:43

This looks like it might be Joseph and Ann's marriage

"England Marriages, 15381973 "
Name: Joseph Beckinsale
Spouse's Name: Anne Williss
Event Date: 04 Apr 1836
Event Place: Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02955-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 991285
Reference ID: p 169

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