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How can I find out the exact year of birth, death and buriel of a relative?

Question by lizburden08

Problem is: I am in touch with a distant relative fron USA and we are trying to find out how we are related.... I have gone back (and further) to GEORGE BURDEN
To make things easier I will say (A) for GEORGE in USA and (B) for GEORGE in UK

The things which are the same are:
1. Both have the same parents
2. Both born in EYNSHAM OXFORDSHIRE
3. Both married ANN

The things which are different are:
1. Date and year of birth
2. (A) Died and is buried in USA and (B) died in EYNSHAM not sure if he's buried in EYNSHAM yet (got to find out)

As you can see abit of a barrier Would really appreciate it if anyone could help us thanks in advance

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on 2011-07-22 08:08:57

lizburden08 has been a Family Tree Circles member since Jul 2011. is researching the following names: BURDEN, WICKSON, WATERMAN and 2 other(s).

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by poorone on 2011-07-22 09:57:49

Hi,

May I make a suggestion to give the readers of this site more information on George Burden in case someone is connected to this line and may have further information.

You really do not realize how many people are born with the same name, but what sets us apart is our parents, our place of birth, birth dates, our siblings, our marriage partners names, our date of marriage,place of marriage, our children's names, and births, our occupations, our death date,and places, etc.

I would suggest looking at a marriage certificate to see who the parents of Ann, plus look at census records and see if you get two George Burden's in Eynsham, Oxfordshire at the same time with the
same birth year and same parents names.

You may want to look at rootsweb and see if anyone is working on your familytree and if so you can email and ask some questions..but check sources of info.

Best wishes in your research.

by lizburden08 on 2011-07-23 06:31:18

HiThanks for your response! I have already in the reserch I have done found out that there is only one George BURDEN in our side they are I AM SURE the same one! (A) George and (B) George SAME everything but the year of birth The distant relative in USA said it was approx year of birth but (B) George he is my GG UNCLE and I can prove his year of birth!!!! ....... I could really go on but unless he was leading a double life..... We don't know and also we have no more GEORGE'S in our family line..... if you can work it out let me know.... that's what I mean when I say I am very confused I've also looked on ANCESTRY.COM but my records are the same as theirs so you tell me what I do now have come to a dead end
What I am going to do is go to OXFORD RECORDS OFFICE spend the day there and see what I come up with....... It dos'nt help when you have the same relatives with the same name's all through the year Will keep you posted

by eastville on 2011-07-23 06:48:26

Liz

I can understand your thrustrations and believe me I have gone through similar situations as I am sure that many others have too.

To enable us to help you would require a little more information. What Poorone was saying in the response was to open up your search to incluse siblings and check occupations etc.

If you could provide any details of siblings and any date you have, this may through open some answers or new leads.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Stephen Smith

by lizburden08 on 2011-07-23 12:34:40

Hi
I know that my GEORGE (B) was a blacksmith in EYNSHAM OXFORDSHIRE he had three brothers JAMES THOMAS AND EDWARD also five sisters SARAH JANE MARYANN ELIZA AND ANN His parents were JOHN AND SARAH BURDEN (nee WICKSON) His grand-parents were THOMAS AND JANE BURDEN (nee AFLETT)
He was born in EYNSHAM OXFORDSHIRE around 1817/18 What Ineed to know really was when he died and where!!

by asheppard on 2011-07-23 23:13:10

Hi

See if you can find out from the USA relative when and where the other George Burden arrived in America. They must have some idea or information on how he got there. It may be an extra clue to sort this out.

happy hunting

by asheppard on 2011-07-23 23:43:03

This could be the other George Burden from Oxfordshire, they may have the families mixed up.

1841 Census father and son George listed as Stone Masons
Name: George Burden
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Charlbury
Hundred: Chadlington
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Chipping Norton
Sub-registration district: Charlbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 873
Book: 5
Folio: 29
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
James Burden 50 Stone Mason
George Burden 20
Ann Burden 45 Stone mason
James Burden 15
David Burden 7
William Burden 5
Ann Burden 2
John Burden 1 MO

Can you find out from your relative if they have their George's marriage certificate and what details it has on it, if they could send you a copy it would be great, then you can compare it to the details on your Georges marriage certificate, just to double check if they are the same George.
happy hunting

by janilye on 2011-07-24 00:15:35

1861 England Census
about George Burden Name: George Burden
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Burden (born Northleigh, a dressmaker)
Gender: Male
Where born: Eynsham, Oxfordshire, England (record says Oxon Eynsham)

Civil parish: Eynsham
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Witney
Sub-registration district: Ensham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 904
Folio: 27
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
George Burden 41 Smith&Farrier
Ann Burden 31 wife, Dressmaker
Frederick Burden 14 Scholar
Alfred Burden 9 Scholar
Georgina Burden 4 Scholar
Henry Burden 3
Mary Burden 3 Months
Mary Johnstone 21 (visitor, dressmaker, b:Northleigh)( visitor or boarder often applied to a relative)

This one could be your George. If he did indeed go to America he would not have gone without the children so try tracing the children
The records I saw in America say their George and Mary emigrated between 1860-1870.

by asheppard on 2011-07-24 00:50:12

This is this 1861 Census for George & Ann Burden
Name: George Burden
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Burden
Gender: Male
Where born: Eynsham, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Eynsham
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Witney
Sub-registration district: Ensham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 904
Folio: 27
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
George Burden 41 Smith & Farrier
Ann Burden 31
Frederick Burden 14
Alfred Burden 9
Georgina Burden 4
Henry Burden 3
Mary Burden 3 MO
Mary Johnstone 21

there are two older children James born 1839 and Ann born 1845 on 1851 Census with Frederick but not on 1861

and also this US passport application for Frederick b24 Feb 1847 England, states he has resided in US for 63 years arrived Oct 1866 departed from Liverpool England, could be a different Frederick Burden.

Image available on ancestry

Name: Frederick Burden
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1847
Birth Place: England
Age: 77
Residence: Flat Rock, Michigan
Passport Issue Date: 5 Jun 1924
Father Name: George Burden
Father's Birth Location: England
Father's Residence: Deceased
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes

and 1900 US Census for Frederick b Feb 1846 England Blacksmith father George born May 1815 England widow.

Image reads Burden has been incorrectly transcribed,

Name: Fredrick Bueden
[Frederick Burden]
[Frederick Burden]
Home in 1900: Brownstown, Wayne, Michigan
Age: 54
Birth Date: Feb 1846
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's name: George Bueden
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Spouse's Name: Isudore F Bueden
Marriage year: 1877
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 23
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredrick Bueden 54 Blacksmith England
Isudore F Bueden 48 born Michigan
Lillis F Bueden 21
Fredrick D Bueden 18
George Bueden 85 widow born May 1815 England

Do you have any details going backwards to your George Burden - his children, their marriages and their children coming forward to yourself, it might help in linking it all together.

by lizburden08 on 2011-07-25 03:26:12

Hi All
I have heard from my relative in USA and the information he gave me IS makes the GEORGE from UK and the GEORGE from USA the same one
He went to OHIO in 1867 then to MICHIGAN in the early 1870's He's on the 1870 census for OHIO We think he went there on the ship COLARDO (this I will have to confirm somehow) with his wife ANNA DANIELL

They were married in 1855 in the PARISH of ALL SAINTS in the county of OXFORD January 29th The marraige certificate say's
GEORGE BURDEN 34 widower, farrier, living in ALL SAINTS, son of JOHN BURDEN farrier
ANNA DANIELL 25 spinster, straw bonnet maker, living in ALL SAINTS dau. of RICHARD DANIELL carpenter in the presence of JOHN COX and EMMA COX

So all I have to do now is find out whether it was the COLORADO that they arrived in any ideas how I would go about this?

Thankyou to you all who guided me!!
King Regards
Liz x

by Achilles2341 on 2011-11-26 12:24:32

Hi, I am or was Sheila Burden now Sheila Eales and I know that John and Sarah Wickson were direct ancestors of mine. Our research shows children of John and Sarah to be John,James,Sarah,Mary Ann,Thomas,Eliza and GEORGE! My line sad to say comes from an illegitimate child born to Mary Ann who was a sister to your George. All my notes are with one of my sons so it is not easy to give all the detail I would like, but it looks as if Mary Ann was born in 1807, she was baptised 26 Jul 1807. Her child was William Burden, he was christened in July 1832 and married Hannah Maria Kingscott, who was born in Plymouth, Devon about 1832 and was in service at a big house in Oxfordshire.Their son Alfred married Sarah East, from Weston on the Green where they were married in 1881 and it was their son Montague Henry who was my father.He was born 8/9/1909 married my mother Eileen Farley in Oxford 1935 and I was the eldest child of six, two girls and four boys.I did not know that there was a branch of the family in US but families went everywhere at that time to try to improve their living standards. I do not suppose that Ohio and Michigan were anything like rural Oxfordshire. Pleased to have found the site, my email address is sheilaeales@btinternet.com. We may well keep in touch! Sheila

by lizburden08 on 2011-11-27 10:34:14

Hi Sheila
We are related Mary-Ann was my husband great,great auntie (I think that's right!)
I did try to email you with some more information but would not send Is the above email correct? Would like to keep in contact with you. You could find out more about GEORGE and all of Mary-Ann you can email me on l.burden60@btinternet.com
Look forward to hearing from you!
P.S. My name is Liz my husbands name is John Burden

by Achilles2341 on 2011-12-03 10:52:21

We get a little mixed up with E mails, I am Clifford, Sheila's husband and my email is cweatnumber23@btinternet.com. I have done some more delving but am now more confused than ever. I have sent a note saying I found a George B marrying an Ann in 1838 in Oxford, whereas you have George marring a different Ann in 1855. The strange thing about the 1838 wedding is that a Mary Ann Burden was being married on the same day. And to make matters more interesting there was a man being married named William Day and although Mary Ann's son William was illegitimate he was baptised William Day Burden. So is it one big coincidence or did the first Ann, Ann Bushnell die soon after the marriage and George remarried a few years later. Again your marriage gives his age as 34 but in 1855 he would have been 38. Now I know ladies are a little shy sometimes about revealing their correct age but would George be like that? We will no doubt keep in touch Clifford and Sheila Eales

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