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I am looking for any details about Charles Edward Gundry.

Query by BryanStrong

He arrived in Lyttelton (NZ) in 1851 aged 2 and turns up in London getting married in 1887. He is on the UK census for 1891 and then dissapears. His son Theodore R Gundry died in Pasadena, LA, USA in 1980. I think that his wife Eliza nee Parker died in 1899. Did he then go to America?
Family search doesn't show him in either the USA, Canada, UK or NZ after 1891.
Any Ideas?

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on 2011-10-23 21:20:00

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by Gnet on 2011-11-02 03:21:42

Charles Edward Gundry went back to England and married Elizabeth PARKER in Lambeth in 1887 and had one son Theodore Ronald Gundry - 1888-1980. In 1892 the family went to the States. Theo was a music teacher. He became a naturalised American and served in the US Army. He married Germaine on the 18th Feb 1919 in Paris and they had 2 children. Joffrette was born in Cedar Falls, Iowa. Ronald was born on 18th Nov 1921 in Paris and became a violin prodigy. However, his service in the army in WW2 interrupted his career and he never regained his premier position after the war.

Charles remarried in Boston on the 10th Aug 1912 - to Fredeline Mabel Deslippe - b Quebec 1871. Charles was a good liar. His age on official documents varies tremendously. His death has not yet been traced.

by BryanStrong on 2011-11-03 22:51:53

Gnet, Thanks for filling in some more details. You mention Paris. can I assume that you mean Paris, France in both cases. I am the great grandson of Charles' brother, William Hickley Gundry.

by Gnet on 2011-12-03 01:13:23

Yes; Germaine was French. She was born in Limoges, Haute Vienne on the 15th Dec 1896 according to her passport application in 1920 when she said she was going to France top visit relatives. I have not found her maiden name yet.
I am a gtgranddaughter of Emma Jane Knowles nee Gundry, 2nd dau of Samuel Gundry and his 1st wife Emma Hayter so that makes us 3rd cousins. Where do you live?

by BryanStrong on 2011-12-03 02:19:43

Gnet, Thanks for that info. We live in the Marlborough Sounds area of New Zealand, and you?

by BryanStrong on 2012-08-16 00:23:58

Gnet, It's been a long time since we corresponded and in the meanwhile I've added a few snippets. Germaine was G Lemasson. died 15 Jan 1996,Passadena, Calif.
A few weeks ago, on E-bay there was a poster for sale advertising Roland's return to professional playing in the US. Handsome looking fellow. Also small notices in the Winnipeg Free Press Oct/Nov 1940 about a concert given by Roland. A snippet from US border Crossing showing Charles arrriving from Winnipeg in Jul 1918 and giving his age as 61.
Where do you live?

by Gnet on 2013-03-10 04:05:36

Have found a little more. His first wife was Eliza PARKER a widow aged 40. Her father's name was Thomas EDWARDS. She died 18.12.1899 in Hartford, Connecticut.
Charles appears in the 1910 census with a wife named Mabel b Canada. She was aged 40 [he only admitted to 50 instead of 61] and they had been married for 10 years.
Fredeline was therefore his 3rd wife. On the 4th Jan 1918 he applied for naturalisation; said he was born in Devizes [correct] on the 22nd Jan [correct] 1863 [20 years out!] I have found nothing subsequently about him.
Sorry I did not reply earlier; I live in Auckland
Have you got a copy o the "Family Register' Samuel wrote in 1848 and updated on his 80th birthday?

by BryanStrong on 2013-03-10 05:46:45

Gnet, Thanks again for all the extra info. The bit about the third wife came as a surprise ,although perhaps it shouldn't have done. Yes I have a copy of Samuel's 'Family Register' via Brenda Good who, in case you haven't come across her yet, currently lives in Woodend while her house in Lyttelton is repaired after the earthquake damage. The house was originally built for Samuel. I have found quite a bit on Joffrette. In the 1930s she was crossing the Atlantic a couple of times a year, gave her nationality as French, appeared to be working for Jaeger Watches and was in a position to travel First Class and stay at the top New York Hotels. An e-mail to Jaeger asking for some kind of confirmation has so far gone unanswered. An enquiry of the NYC Musicians union re Roland produced the following e-mail:-
"Brian, Im not really an archivist, but I have been here at Local 802 since 1980.
Ive looked up Mr. Gundry in our membership files. The only information we have on him:
Born 11/18/1921
Joined Local 802 in 1946
Last address: 666 West End Avenue, New York NY
Membership terminated 6/30/2002
Died 7/2/2006
In our contracts module I find nothing under his name, but that data only dates back to around 1980.
Possibly a search in the files of the New York Times and other newspapers would glean more information.
Best wishes,
Bill Crow"
If you are interested I have a few photos of Roland.

by BryanStrong on 2013-03-10 06:03:44

Gnet,
Further to your last post I think that Mabel and Fredeline Mabel are one and the same and that there was no third marriage. Fredeline was born 1871, L'Acadie, St-Jean, Quebec, Canada, shown on the Canadian 1881 census La Prairie, Quebec, Canada aged 10, and I have them marrying in Boston Mass 10 Aug 1912 at which time he gives his age as 53.

by BryanStrong on 2013-03-11 21:01:49

Gnet,
My e-mail address is
strongsails@yahoo.co.uk
try me on that.
Bryan

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