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I am looking for information on Peter Skinner, Staymaker, London, c. 1700

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on 2011-07-09 22:22:26

dcorney has been a Family Tree Circles member since Dec 2010. is researching the following names: MACKENZIE, CORNELIUS, MCKENZIE.

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by mowsehowse on 2011-07-10 04:29:00

Your journal seems to end a bit suddenly, perhaps you would like to ammend it??

I expect you have found the baptism transcribed to familysearch:
"Christening: 17 APR 1668, Saint Olave Hart Street,London, England - parents Daniel & Frances Skinner"

I looked in my copy of the illustrated Pepys extracts but Peter Skinner does NOT appear in the index.

If you put:("Peter Skinner" + "Samuel Pepys") into a Google search you may find what comes up could be useful. Do format it as I have done, including the brackets.

Good luck....

by dcorney on 2011-07-10 17:46:00

Thank you for your information. Peter Skinner and his mother, Frances, do appear in Pepys' letters. It would seem that Pepys' long-time mistress, Mary Skinner was a relation of theirs. However, I have not yet made the connection. Nor can I find how Peter Skinner came to be a staymaker.

by mowsehowse on 2011-07-11 10:54:03

by mowsehowse on 2011-07-11 12:46:47

OH NO!!!! SHOCKING libel.

I find: < The Diary ended in 1669, due to worries about declining eyesight, which in the event came to nothing. Giving up the Diary was "almost as much as to see myself go into my grave." (Quoted Samuel Pepys, The Unequal Self by Claire Tomalin) As soon as the Diary ended life darkened for its former author. Elizabeth died on 10th September 1669. Pepys had a bust made of her which was placed in his local church, St Olave's, in London, where it remains to this day. The bust is placed high up and is rather difficult to see. A copy is sometimes displayed at the National Portrait Gallery. A new relationship quickly began, with a woman named Mary Skinner. Not much is known about Mary. They may have met at St Olave's church, but this is not certain. Pepys and Mary never married, but remained companions for thirty three years. >

All Skinner relatives PLEASE forgive me - especially as I have read that for the employment promotion of some men, Pepys had a habit of demanding "personal payment" up front from the wives.

So, St Olave's was certainly local, but doesn't yet prove the connection to Peter.

Sorry again.........

by mowsehowse on 2011-07-11 14:21:36

I HAVE IT!! At least I have found something for you to work at verifying.............

"As for Mary Skinner, when she and Pepys began their live-in relationship in the early 1670s, Mary was a very young woman from a modestly successful London family...." {One brother became a fellow at Trinity College, Cambridge while the other, through Pepys influence, became a commercial mariner. [Ollard 1974, 212 & Howarth 1933, 53 note 1 and 71]}

"In the meantime, Daniel Skinner was approaching Samuel Pepys, whose resident mistress was Mary Skinner, Daniel's sister, about the possibility of patronage. He wrote an ornate and lengthy letter in Latin, (which has since been lost,) to Pepys on 1676-07-05, in which he noted that after four years he had still not been fully elected Fellow of Trinity.

So where do you go from there?

by mowsehowse on 2011-07-11 14:25:42

And if this isn't you, you may want to check it out:

< http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LONDON/2007-09/1190280769 >

Over & out!!

by dcorney on 2011-07-12 03:43:03

by mowsehowse on 2011-07-15 15:18:48

Yes, initially Shropshire threw me too, but I reckon I proved it valid via the Corbet link??

And then I fondly imagined the quotes above did strongly suggest that Daniel was Mary's brother.

There is a Cyriac Skinner on familysearch - well it looks like two but then I realised they were both given the same parents. That may turn out to be dodgy but there is a name and address of a couple researching him, so perhaps it might be worth getting in contact with them?

All the best...........

by dcorney on 2011-07-15 21:14:49

Thanks. Where do I find the couple that you mentioned? Some writers suggest that Cyriac may have been Daniel's uncle. While I have my doubts, both their connections with Milton seems more than a coincidence.I also found a Dr Basire, archdeacon of Durham who also married a Frances Corbett in 1735. She must have been an aunt of Daniel's wife as he mentions Daniel the merchant in Crutched Friars and left a small legacy to his godson Corbett Skinner. The trouble is that I find the incidental bits interesting that I tend to chase red herrings.
Best wishes

by mowsehowse on 2011-07-16 05:50:26

I found that info on the old familysearch site:

Daniel SKINNER - Ancestral File(AFN: 186X-565)
Gender: M Marriage: Abt 1644 Of, Edgmond, Shropshire, England
Spouse: Frances CORBET (AFN: 186X-57C)

That gives you reference numbers you could follow?

The marriage of the archdeacon in 1735 is a generation (or two)later though isn't it?

by dcorney on 2011-07-18 03:55:22

Yes It was earlier, but only some 9 years. Possibly the two Franceses were aunt and niece. Thank you again.

by dcorney on 2012-07-12 03:32:44

After many months of reading and research, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that I have no obvious link with the Skinner-Corbet line. However, I still have Peter Skinner, Staymaker, who was married at the Fleet in 1702. Now I am trying to link him to a Peter Skinner, son of Peter and Ann, baptised at St Olave's Bermondsey in December 1682. I would be grateful if anyone might be able to throw some light on this possible connection.

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