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James Clarke and Charles Edward Clarke Geelong, Victoria

Query by NTuffill

In my recent research I have hit a problem
Samuel James Clarke and his wife Charlotte Clarke (nee Reynolds) appear to have come to Geelong from England in 1852 with their young son James born c1851 they had 2 more children Margaret Jane b 1855 in Ashby and Charles Edward b 1858 in New Town (info gratefully received from Janilye & Tonkin on previous query)
The information collected said that Margaret Jane died in 1857. Through research back in England Samuel James Clarke came back to England around about 1862! but there is no sign of James or Charles Edward Clarke in England. He married again so presumably Charlotte his first wife has died? If she has, where are their children? James would only be about 9 or 10 and Charles Edward would only be about 3 or 4 years old
Can anyone work it out?
Regards
Nancy

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by janilye on 2013-03-20 21:15:19

If this is your Charles!
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Charles Edward Clarke
Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1914
State: Victoria
District: Corio
Subdistrict: Geelong North
On this roll he lists himself as a clerk living at Fyansford. No others by the name of CLARKE living at this address.
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Charles Edward Clarke
Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1919
State: Victoria
District: Corio
Subdistrict: Geelong West
Living at 30 Albert St.,Occupation Clerk. No others living at this address

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Charles Edward Clarke
Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1924
State: Victoria
District: Corio
Subdistrict: Geelong North
On this roll he lists himself as a clerk at the Paper Mills in Fyansford. Other CLARKEs living at the town of Fyansford were- Adeline Amelia CLARKE (HD), Effie Emily CLARKE(HD), Ivy Beatrice CLARKE (HD), John Thomas CLARKE (Farmer), William Percy CLARKE (farmer), Possibly the one family but not necessarily related to Charles Edward.
Then in 1931 I don't find him at Geelong and there are 5 Charles Edward CLARKEs on the roll but this one below is the only one living alone with the occupation of clerk.
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Charles Edward Clarke
Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1931
State: Victoria
District: Kooyong
Subdistrict: Canterbury
Address is Alexandra Ave.,
After that it all gets a bit sticky Charles Edward CLARKE's all over the place and no clerks' so I think he must have retired and find one living in Kooyong but not alone with a Charlotte Louise.
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Charles Edward Clarke Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1936
State: Victoria
District: Kooyong
Subdistrict: Kew
Address 115 Biddy St., with Charlotte Louise (HD)

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Charles Edward Clarke Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1949
State: Victoria
District: Yarra
Subdistrict: Hawthorn
On this one he lists himself as retired living at 18 Illawarra Rd., with Charlotte Louise CLARKE who now gives her occupation as cashier.
I think I crossed a line somewhere between 1924 and 1936 and picked up another Charles Edward after 1924.

I can't remember now what you already have but anyway !
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Samuel John Clarke
Name: Samuel John Clarke
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 3
Father's Name: Samuel James
Mother's name: Charlotte Reynolds
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 6650
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Margaret Jane Clarke
Name: Margaret Jane Clarke
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 1
Father's Name: Samuel James
Mother's name: Charlotte Reynolds
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 1486
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856

New South Wales, Australia, Police Gazettes, 1854-1930
about Charles Edward Clarke
Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Event Place: Newtown, Victoria, Australia
Event Type: Assault
Publication Date: 5 Apr 1911
Page #: 131
he was the one assaulted by 2 men and a warrant was issued

by NTuffill on 2013-03-21 09:59:15

Janilye - Thank you again for all the information you have gathered for me, but I believe that Charles Edward Clarke must have left Australia when he was about 19 or 20 which would have been about 1877 or 1878. The other Charles Edward Clarke that was born in Ballarat to George Helps Clarke and Ann Jane Pemberton stayed in Australia and died there.
I am trying to find out where Charles Edward Clarke lived as a child/teenager between 1860 and 1877
His brother James Peter Clarke born 1851 was in Sydney between 1879 and 1886 and then he returned to England but there is no sign of his mother Charlotte Clarke returning to England so I presume Samuel James Clarke & Charlotte Clarke either divorced or Charlotte died? There is a death in Sydney of a Charlotte Clarke in 1861 but that would mean the children were on their own (James 10 years & Charles Edward 4 years). Does anybody know what would happen to children if they didn't have their parents with them? I find it strange that Samuel James Clarke returned to England without his children if his wife was dead!
The other thing is I can't purchase a birth certificate from the Australian BMD because they say they can't find Charles Edward Clarke and yet I was told years ago there he was registered 1858 in New Town Geelong Victoria Australia! I managed to buy an image of Margaret Jane Clarkes birth details, that is how I found out about Samuel John Clarke

This is all so intriguing!
Regards
Nancy

by janilye on 2013-03-21 14:32:51

..1911 England Census
about Charles Edward Clarke
Name: Charles Edward Clarke
Age in 1911: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Victoria, Australia
Civil parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 27 School St Salford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Shipping Clerk
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 24069
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Marie Dowse 61
William Robert Clayton 11
Thomas Pritchard 61
Charles Edward Clarke 54

by NTuffill on 2013-03-22 11:43:49

Brilliant, thanks
Regards
Nancy

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