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JAMES PURVES, OWNER OF "TOOTGAROOK" , HIS WIFE, CAROLINE, AND HIS CHILDREN.

Journal by itellya

As my focus regarding the Purves family was primarily on the descendants of Peter Purves and Barbara (Scott) who ran Tootgarook for James, I had not concerned myself much with the family of James and Caroline.

The main connections of James with the Mornington Peninsula are his ownership of the Tootgarook station, his ownership* of the Rosebud when it was stranded in the mid 1850's, thus leading to the name of the Rosebud Fishing Village in 1872, his son, James Liddell Purves, being the member for Mornington (not the town but the electorate which probably covered the COUNTY of Mornington including the peninsula, land north to Mordialloc and east to Bunyip River)and the possibility that Glen Isla Drive in Mount Martha was named after James Purves' Richmond residence where he died in 1878.
(*Countless local histories and heritage studies wrongly state that Edward William Hobson, who transferred Tootgarook to James in 1850, owned the Rosebud when it was stranded. Hobson was the owner in 1854 but countless court reports show that James was the owner by 1855 and had insured it with a combination of 12 brokers for 700 pounds, some of whom refused to pay up.)

The surname PURVES was pronounced as PURV-ESS and was often written as PURVIS.

I tried countless strategies to find the birth record of James and Caroline's first son, James Liddell Purves, in 1843, but without success- UNTIL I wrote the surname as PURVIS. The birth record of Caroline Frances in 1855 had the same spelling. Ancestry.com lists some of the children but on family tree circles, thanks to Scott Jangro, you can have much more information WITHOUT PAYING A FORTUNE.

I have posted much of this information (obituaries, wills etc) in comments on the following website.
Port Phillip Apostle No 6 James Purves, landowner | The Resident ...
https://residentjudge.wordpress.com/.../port-phillip-apostle-no-6-james-purves-landow...

James married the daughter of Thomas Guillod of London in 1842. Caroline had evidently returned to England after her husband's death in 1878 as the announcement of her death in 1889 was received by cable.

THE CHILDREN.(VICTORIAN BDM.)
I've sometimes come across isolated examples of a child's birth being registered twice but James seems to have made a habit of it! Mary Scott's records illustrate that the place of birth given is actually the place of registration. Both registrations of the birth of George Hurdis would have been at Mount Macedon because Mount Martha was not a declared town and therefore would not have had a registrar.

EventBirth Event registration number1027 Registration year1843
Personal information
Family namePURVIS Given namesJames Liddle SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELBOURNE

EventBirth Event registration number7770 Registration year1844
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Harry Gui SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthRICH

EventBirth Event registration number8074 Registration year1846
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesAnn Caroline SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELB
(The will of Annie Caroline shows that one of her sisters married J.R.Godfey of Mt Ridley" which the family would have passed on the way to Chinton from Melbourne.)

EventBirth Event registration number8198 Registration year1847
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesMary Scott SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELB
...and...
EventBirth Event registration number33236 Registration year1847
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesMary Scott SexFemale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON

EventBirth Event registration number8613 Registration year1849
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMTMA
...and...
EventBirth Event registration number33333 Registration year1850
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON
(George's obituary states that he was born on Chinton Station between Mt. Macedon and Wallan.)

Harry and George (above) were stated to have been born in the same year but George was obviously born in late 1849 and Harry possibly in late 1850 so they were unlikely to have been twins.
EventBirth Event registration number9017 Registration year1850
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesHarry Guillod SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELB
...and...
EventBirth Event registration number33390 Registration year1850
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesHarry Guillord SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthMELBOURNE

EventBirth Event registration number31212 Registration year1853
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesWilliam SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthRICHMOND


EventBirth Event registration number19029 Registration year1855
Personal information
Family namePURVIS Given namesCaroline Frances SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's name (Caroline) Place of birthRICHMOND
..... and...
EventBirth Event registration number6206 Registration year1855
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesCaroline SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline (Guillod) Place of birthRICHMOND

JAMES LIDDELL PURVESmarried twice. His first wife Annie Lavinia Grice died in 1876 aged 21, probably due to complications from the birth of James George in that year. I could find no record on VICTORIAN BDM of his second marriage to Eliza Emmma Brodribb in 1879 because the marriage had taken place at Double Bay, N.S.W. Their second child was given the christian name of GODFREY, probably because of the pioneering Mt. Ridley family. Brodribb River in East Gippland was named after William Adams Brodribb, J.L.Purves new father in law. The Grice family was prominent in Mornington's history.

JAMES PURVES' DEATH NOTICE supplies the names of his parents.
EventDeath Event registration number6572 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesJames SexUnknown Father's nameLiddle Mother's nameMary (Scott) Place of birthTWEE Place of death Age65 Spouse's family nameGUILLOD Spouse's given namesCaroline

MY COMMENTS ON THE PORT PHILLIP APOSTLES PAGE.(Not necessarily in the order they were posted.)
DEATH RECORD OF JAMES PURVES AND BIRTH RECORDS OF HIS SON.
(Copy of my comment on the PIONEERS OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA Facebook group page.)
As pointed out many times, James Purves, the lessee of the Tootgarook run from 1850 and owner of the pre-emptive right from 22-10-1855 spent little time there, mostly living in Melbourne with his other main interest being his station at Chintin west of Wallan on the Romsey road near the present town of Chintin. At last I thought I’d found some evidence of him actually being on the Mornington Peninsula. His son, George Hurdis Purves must have been born towards the end of 1849 and his birth was registered twice, at Mount Martha (or so I thought) in 1849 (reg. No.8613) and at Mount Macedon in 1850 (Reg. No.33333.) James was probably awaiting the arrival of a servant, Jane McCabe*, at Chintin in 1850 when the second registration took place.

(*https://residentjudge.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/port-phillip-apostle-no-6-james-purves-landowner/
John McKay | February 1, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Hello,
In researching my Knight line, I came across Jane McCabe (who married George Knight at Fish Creek in April 1850). Jane it appears was sent out from Ireland under the Earl Grey Scheme and was employed by James Purvis (sic) of Chinton on Jan 18 1850 at 10 pounds for 76 months.
Are James Purves/Purvis the same and if so do you know where Chinton is, or was it a property name in the vicinity of Fish Creek, Gippsland, Victoria?
Or was it incorrectly written down by the clerk as Chewton seems to have some affiliated with this family.


Then my brain kicked into gear. Mount Martha would not have had a registrar in 1849 or for many decades later (if ever.) MT MA also meant Mt Macedon.
Here are the two registrations.

EventBirth Event registration number8613 Registration year1849
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexUnknown Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCaroline Place of birthMTMA

EventBirth Event registration number33333 Registration year1850
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexMale Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON

James Purves’ death record in 1878 (the year after he’d leased Tootgarook to Cameron from Cranbourne) indicates that Peter Purves (said to be his brother in MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN and if correct) married a cousin. James Purves’ mother was Mary Scot (almost certainly Scott) and Peter Purves married Barbara Scott as detailed in the post. Peter’s parents weren’t revealed by Petronella Wilson but the use of Scott and Liddell as given names for descendants of both James and Peter indicates that the owner and the manager of Tootgarook were at least cousins if they were not brothers.
GENTLEMAN JAMES PURVES’ DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6572 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesJames SexUnknown Father’s nameLiddle Mother’s nameMary (Scott) Place of birthTWEE Place of death Age65 Spouse’s family nameGUILLOD Spouse’s given namesCaroline

John McKay | July 9, 2017 at 6:53 am |
Hi, I’ve been away and only home recently so have missed on this. My meagre research on James hasn’t seemed to flush out much at all. What I tentatively have is copied below which doesn’t seem to marry up much with the posts here, so could be well off-track.

Thanks for the info on where Chintin actually is xxx. That helps a lot.

John McKay

What I’d found”
A James Purvis arrived on the ship James in Sydney 29 Sep 1834

Melb Argus 10 Feb 1852 TWO POUNDS REWARD
Lost, from Barkers Creek Diggings, in November last, two red walking bullocks, one branded AT off rump’, 895 off thigh, JW near shoulder, and one stag steer, branded OR off rump.
Any one bringing the same to John Beech, Wiltshire Store, Mount Macedon Road, will receive the above reward.
JAMES PURVIS. 9th February, 1852.

Argus 29 June 1855
By special license, by the Rev. Thomas Odell, James Purvis, of Tullamarine, to Christina Hendry, youngest daughter of Mr. James Hendry, of Perth, Scotland.

PURVIS. —In loving remembrance of my dear husband, James Purvis, of South road, South Brighton, who departed this life on the 11th April, 1883
” Sad and lonely is our home
Since from it he departed
But we hope and trust in God
We are not for ever parted ‘
PURVIS. —In affectionate remembrance of Mr James Purvis late of South Brighton who was accidentally killed on the Brighton road, April 11i, 1883, the dearly beloved brother of O and W H Purvis, Ironmongers, 236 Elizabeth Street Melbourne
30 Jan 1902 Argus – PURVIS.-On the 29th January; at his residence, Austral-villa, – Asling-street, .Elsternwick,’ James Watson Purvis, in his 80th Year.


ME. | July 9, 2017 at 12:24 pm |
I’d noticed James Purvis in my early Tullamarine research and wondered if there was any connection. John Beech built the Beech Tree Hotel at Melway 5G10 on land on the Keilor side of today’s Melrose Drive that he’d purchased through John Pascoe Fawkner’s co-op. on 1-5-1851. Hendry ran Tullamarine’s first post office at Tullamarine Junction (5 J12 where the 711 garage and North Edge apartments now stand.) You’re the first person to mention that Beech’s store was called the Wiltshire store!

Tulla’s James Purvis was born in County Tyrone in 1832* so any connection with the Port Phillip Apostle is doubtful.
(*http://purvisfamilytree.com/getperson.php?personID=I18693&tree=purvis)

The following reply to residentjudge from Margaret is interesting because it tends to confirm that James Purves (owner of Tootgarook) and Peter Purves (who ran Tootgarook for him) were brothers. James' father was a stone mason and Peter became a stone mason. If Peter had stuck to his trade instead of running Tootgarook for James, he would have made a fortune; masons were so in demand that they were the first to achieve shortened working hours, an achievement celebrated by Labour Day!

Margaret Steenvoorde | January 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
Thank you for confirming the name of James Purves’ father as Liddle Purves. I can now tell you that James Purves was born in Harelawside (near Duns), Parish of Coldingham, Berwickshire, Scotland on 25 May 1813 and was baptised in Coldingham Parish Church on 21 June 1814. He was the son of Liddle Purves, Mason in Harelawside and Mary Scot, his wife. Witnesses to the baptism were Peter Atcheson and John Redpath both of Harelawside. My souce was a digital image of the original Old Parish Record from http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk The name Liddle (or Liddell, as given to his son James Liddell Purves) was the clue to solving the mystery! Duns is not far from Berwick upon Tweed (in England!) and James would have had business connections there, no doubt. His family may have moved there to live at some stage. Thank you for the Port Phillip Pioneers Group web address. I will investigate that further.


ME. | July 7, 2017 at 10:38 am
John McKay. I am primarily interested in Peter Purves who managed the Tootgarook station from 1850 till his death in 1860 and Peter’s son, James, who followed his father to Australia in 1852. Through their descendants and descendants of other pioneering families, such as the late Ray Cairns, I discovered that the surname was pronounced as Purv-ess. It was at times written as Purvis in Shire of Flinders rate books. Chintin was definitely not a mis-spelling of Chewton and the location of the run is indicated below.

James Purves, lessee of the Tootgarook run from 1850, and later owner of the pre-emptive right, whose surname was pronounced and often written as Purvis, spent most of his time in Melbourne but his other main focus was the Chintin run between Kilmore and Mount Macedon. The following is an extract from the obituary on page 3 of the Australasian of 15-6-1878.
“But after following squatting pursuits for a
time he entered into business in Melbourne
as auctioneer and estate agent. He after-
wards took up the Chintin station, at Deep
Creek, and was also owner of Tootgarook
station, near Dromana, one of the earliest
established stations in the colony.”

The town of Chintin, about 10 km west of Wallan on the Romsey road owes its name to the run.

ME. | July 7, 2017 at 11:23 am |
JOHN MCKAY. James Purves and Caroline, nee Guillod, must have been living on Chiltin when this son was born in 1850.
EventBirth Event registration number33333 Registration year1850
Personal information
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexMale Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON

ME. | July 8, 2017 at 4:06 am | Reply

James Liddell Purves was not the only son of James Purves and Caroline (Guillod) to further his education in England. Harry Guillod Purves died there in 1867 just before turning 17.
PURVES -On 5th August, at Brighton, England, of
apoplexy, the result of an accident, Harry Guillod,
third and dearly beloved son of James and Caroline
Purves, aged sixteen years and eleven months.
(P.4, Argus, 16-10-1867.)

(While trying to re-find his death notice, I discovered why his mother’s death in 1889 was not recorded on VICTORIAN BDM; she apparently died there too as her death was announced by cable in 1889. Her son, George Hurdis, whose death record IS on VICTORIAN BDM) died at Ballarat in 1889 aged 39, “just as he seemed about to acquire considerable literary fame.”
P.13, Table Talk,27-9-1889.) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/147280030)

The given name HURDIS might have come from the Guillod family tree. The above article and the following will of James and Caroline’s unmarried daughter indicates that one of her sisters married into the family of Frederick Race Godfrey of “Mount Ridley”.
Biography – Frederic Race Godfrey – Australian Dictionary of Biography
adb.anu.edu.au/biography/godfrey-frederic-race-3624

Annie Caroline Purves, late of Clarendon-street,
East Melbourne, spinster, by her will dated July 1,
1887,and presented for probate by her cousin. Mr. H.
Hale Budd, solicitor, appointed her brother, James
Liddell Purves, of the same place, Q.C., barrister-at
law, executor. She left her jewellery and personal
ornaments to her sister-in-law, Eliza Emma Purves
(wife of James Liddell Purves) ; £50 to Mary Guillod,
and the residue of her estate in equal parts to her
nieces, Eliza Mary and Eleanor Allison Purves,
daughters of James Liddell Purves, and if either of
them shall die under the age of 21, to the survivor of
them absolutely. She directed, however, that in case
her estate should exceed £6000, and amount to £8000,
she bequeathed 1 £1000 each to Constance Caroline De
Burgh Purves, daughter of her late brother, George
Hurdis Purves, of Ballarat, and her nephew, William
Scott Purves Godfrey, but if the surplus over £6000
shall be insufficient to satisfy the said two legacies In
full, then such legacies shall abate proportionately.
The testatrix died on February 9, 1890, at Macedon,
and her will was sworn at £ 11,500 personal.
(P.21, Table Talk, 1-8-1890.)

When James Purves was travelling to Chinton (or Chintin) station in 1850, he probably would have travelled past the young Queen Hotel at Pascoeville turning left near the present Broadmeadows railway station down to Broadmeadows Township, then right up the Ardlie St. hill to Mickleham Rd (which is still called Old Sydney Rd past Donnybrook Rd.) This route to Wallan would take him past “Mount Ridley”.

James Liddell Purves’ first wife died in 1876, the same year their only child was born. A search for James Purves produced only eight births, one of which revealed that James Liddell Purves had married Annie Lavinia GRICE, their son, James George, being born in Collingwood in 1876. (The Grice family was prominent in Mornington’s history.)
J.L.Purves must have remarried as Annie died in 1876 aged only 21.

Not only is there no birth record for James Liddell Purves in VICTORIAN BDM, but the record of his second marriage in 1879 is also missing. The only Purves marriage listed for 1879 is that of John Purves to Essey Elizabeth Barker. However, there is a very good reason why the second marriage is not listed on VICTORIAN births deaths and marriages.

J.L.Purves’ marriage notice.
PURVES-BRODRIBB. – On the 9th inst., at St Mark’s
Church, Darling Point, Sydney by the Rev T.
Kemmis, assisted by the Rev. J. Salinière, James
Liddell, eldest son of the late James Purves, of
Melbourne, to Eliza Emma, second daughter of
William Adams Brodribb, of Buckhurst, Double
Bay, Sydney. (P.1, Argus, 16-12-1879.)

I must have stumbled upon this marriage notice years ago because I’d researched Brodribb and discovered the AUSTRALIAN DICTIONARY OF BIOGRAPHY entry for J.L.’s second father in law.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/brodribb-william-adams-3060

ME.| July 8, 2017 at 5:03 am | Reply
AHA, THANKS TO THE LATE RAY CAIRNS AND BEV LAURISSEN OF THE DROMANA HISTORICAL SOCIETY (both related to the family of Yoeman James), THE BIRTH RECORD OF JAMES LITTLE PURVES HAS BEEN FOUND! They both told me that the surname was pronounced as two syllables and one rate collector, obviously new, had written it as Purvis.
Voila!
EventBirth Event registration number1027 Registration year1843
Personal information
Family namePURVIS Given namesJames Liddle SexMale Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCaroline Place of birthMELBOURNE

ME.| July 8, 2017 at 5:17 am | Reply
My apology re stating the second given name of Gentleman James Purves’ first son as Little instead of Liddell. Little was the second given name of James Little Brown who restored rabbit and ti tree infested wasteland near Rye into the beautiful pasture we see today.

ME. | July 8, 2017 at 5:42 am | Reply
In view of the spelling of Purves in J.L.Purves’ birth record, I decided to check if the births of any of his siblings was registered as PURVIS. This was the only instance.
EventBirth Event registration number19029 Registration year1855
Personal information
Family namePURVIS Given namesCaroline Frances SexUnknown Father’s nameJames Mother’s name (Caroline) Place of birthRICHMOND

ME. | July 9, 2017 at 12:30 am | Reply
In an earlier comment, I mentioned that George Hurdis Purves’ birth, registered twice at Mount Macedon, had probably taken place at Chinton Station. In the countless obituaries written in 1878, his father, soon after arrival from Tasmania, was stated to have taken up a station near Mt Macedon (which was apparently not Chinton) before moving to Melbourne to engage in architectural, surveying and auctioneering pursuits. George’s literary pursuits were mentioned in my more recent comment about his and his mother’s deaths in 1889.

George’s obituary confirms that he was indeed born at Chinton and that his father’s early pastoral pursuit was near Hanging Rock in partnership with Edward Dryden. It also mentions George’s training in law and literary pursuits in England before the climate there caused his departure for Ballarat (hardly the warmest place in Victoria!)

DEATH OF MR. G. H. PURVES:
From Our Correspondent.
BALLARAT, Thursday.
Mr. George H. Purves, chairman of the Bal
larat stock exchange and brother of Mr.J. L.
Purves, Q.C., died this morning. The deceased,
who was 39 years of age, was born at Chinton,
Deep Creek, and was a son of Mr. James Purves,
one of the pioneers of the colony, who took up
tho first land at Hanging Rock, near Kyneton,
with Edward Dryden. in the year 1837. Mr.
Purves was educated for the law, and was articled
to one of the members of the firm of Messrs.
Malleson, England and Stewart. The legal pro
fession proved distasteful to him, however, and
for a tim\e he followed in a desultory way literary
pursuits, and ultimately settlod down to share-
broking. After several years in Ballarat his
health failed him, and he left on a trip to Eng
land. There he again took to literary work for
a time, but the climate proving somewhat trying
to himself and his children he returned to Ballarat.
About 12 months since Mr. Purves was elected
to the chairmanship of the stock exchange. He
had been suffering from the complaint which
terminated in his death for some timo past, but
it was only during the past few weeks that he
found it necessary to take to his bed. Ho was
attended by several doctors, and it was decided
to consult Dr. Fitzgerald, of Melbourne, as to the
supposed presence of a large tumor in the region
of the spleen. On Sunday last an operation
was performed by Dr. Fitzgerald in the presence
of several other surgeons, and it was
discovered that there was an enlargement of the
spleen to about 50 times its natural size. The
spleen was removed, the operation being a
thoroughly successful one, but complications that
were not anticipated set in, and the sufferer
expired at 3 o’clock this morning. Mr. J. L.
Purves, Q.C., was in attendance during
the previous day and night on his
brother, until his death. The deceased
leaves a widow and four children.
He was a hearty supporter of local athletics,
and was esteemed and respected for many good
qualities. As a token of respect the Ballarat
stock exchange adjourned until Saturday.
(P.5, The Age, 22-2-1889.)

Surnames: BRODRIBB GODFREY GRICE PURVES SCOTT
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