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JIMMY AND TED WILLIAMS OF EASTBOURNE, ROSEBUD (VIC., AUST.) DID DIE ON SUCCESSIVE DAYS.

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As you enter the Rye Cemetery from Lyons St there is a group of old graves about 20 metres ahead on the left of the path. If I remember correctly, three of them relate to the Stenniken family, the first their daughter, Mrs Kennedy (Sarah?) I think the next grave after those three is that of James Campbell Williams*. His sister,Carrie,is either buried in the same grave or the next one. However,there is no mention of their brother, Ted Williams (Edward junior.)The Rye Cemetery Index in the local history room of the Rosebud Library has no mention of Ted either but that is probably because it was compiled from grave inscriptions. The late Ray Cairns told me that Jimmy and his brother died a day apart and cleared up my confusion about Ned Williams. Jimmy's father was Ned and Jimmy's brother was called Ted. So the father was the one who moved the lighthouse to the top of Arthurs Seat and dug the Chinamans Creek canal.

(*James was known as Jimmy the Squid. He collected fishermen's catches which were left on the roadside and transported them to the Mornington Railhead,starting his run from Rosebud West. Isobel Moresby* mentioned that Chinese fishermen used to sell squid on the site of the tennis court (the playground in front of the historic kindergarten.) Perhaps their unsold squid catch was sent to Melbourne or other fishermen were catching squid too. (* ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA.)

If Jimmy and Ted died a day apart why was Ted not mentioned on the gravestone? At the age of 100 years and 10 days,Ray Cairns' memory was sensational but every now and then he wasn't certain, and he insisted on being certain as Peter Wilson stated in THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO. He was slightly confused about Carrie and Marion and as I didn't want to distress him,we moved onto other subjects. I spent weeks trying in vain to find confirmation of Jimmy and Ted dying on consecutive days.Now,about two years later,I found it while looking for
"Campbell, Rosebud" re the house near the Rosebud jetty that will have to be demolished for the construction of the much-opposed apartment/cafe; a descendant of George Fountain told me at the Dromana Museum last Sunday (19-1-2014) that a grandson of Melbourne's Lord Mayor,Edward Campbell had built the house.

HERE'S THE CONFIRMATION.
WILLIAMS. - On September 10, at EastBourne, Rosebud West, James Campbell, son of the late Edward and Mary Williams,beloved brother of Edward (died September9, 1947). Caroline, Ellen (Mrs. Connop, de-
ceased), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased) aged 89 years. -At rest. (P.9, Argus, 11-9-1947.)


EASTBOURNE was the name that Sidney Smith Crispo of the Victorian Coastal Survey gave to his grants at Rosebud West, crown allotments 52 and 44 Wannaeue, bounded on the west by Elizabeth Ave and on the south by Hiscock Rd. The Village Glen now occupies most of the land east of Chinamans Creek except the part of crown allotment 44 south of the freeway reservation. Recently (early 2013?), the Friends of the Tootgarook Swamp opposed filling of the swamp in the St Elmos Close area to extend the village and the gang of six on the council tried to sue Cameron Brown who led the protest.

Edward Williams Snr. came from Sydney in 1855 on a ship whose purpose was to survey Port Phillip Bay. The Burrells of Arthurs Seat must have invited the officers to some hospitality and Ned,as he was usually called, probably helped to row them ashore as he obviously enjoyed hospitality with the servants.

One of the servants was Mary Campbell who'd come out with her guardian, Robert Cairns and his wife,Mary (nee Drysdale) in 1852,probably acting as a nanny for the Cairns children. Edward Williams married Mary Campbell. Mary's maiden name was used as Jimmy the Squid's second given name. Young Edward was known as Ted, according to the late Ray Cairns.

Ned was amazingly strong and according to Colin McLear in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA was a harvester of renown who could scythe an acre of crop in one day and,with Bob White, moved the first wooden lighthouse at today's McCrae to the summit of Arthurs Seat when the present metal lighthouse had been constructed. From 1863, he acted at caretaker of Crispo's grants between Canterbury Jetty Rd and St Johns Rd, Blairgowrie*, until he settled on his own grants straddling Browns Rd just east of Truemans Rd. Ned owned a butchers shop on Butchers Hill at Sorrento which was later sold to George White (of Irish descent and unrelated to the aforementioned Bob White, who like the Cairns family came from the Clackmannan district of Scotland) from whom George St, Sorrento probably got its name. Ned's sons were put in charge of the shop but obviously preferred outdoor life.
(*See my journal THERE WOULD BE NO SORRENTO WITHOUT SIDNEY SMITH CRISPO.)


I had presumed Ned Williams' transfer of his butchering operation from Sorrento to Rosebud was due to increased competition in Coppin's town but it was more likely that the 1890's depression was the cause. It would be interesting to study the Sorrento real estate activity in that decade. As with the 1843 depression, the battlers were affected and many peninsula farmers were forced to desert their farms in the 1890's. However, in both crashes the moneyed classes suffered the greatest losses.Shopkeepers in Sorrento,like in most coastal towns today, made their profits during the tourist season and just kept their heads above water during the rest of the year. If the owners of the clifftop mansions at Sorrento (the bulk of houses mentioned in the Shire of Flinders Heritage Study) were approaching insolvency, the shopkeepers,publicans and guesthouses would also go to the wall.

It has not* been established whether Edward Thomas Williams was Ned or Ted but in any case the butcher shop was certainly lost. (*IT HAS NOW;SEE DEATH NOTICES AT END!) It was probably the assignee who sold it to George White.

COMPULSORY SEQUESTRATIONS. |
Mr. Justice A'Beckett yesterday in the Supreme Court compulsorily sequestrated the estates of-lolm Henry Werner, ol' Rooky Lead, storekeeper, on the application of Mr. Vasey.
Edward Thomas Williams, of Sorrento,butcher, on the application of Mr. Wasley.

I have seen no record of a butchers shop at Rosebud at that time so Edward probably supplied customers from a cutting cart. Crispo died in 1899 at Edward Williams' residence, Eastbourne,so I believe Edward was leasing the property or had received a certificate ending his insolvency, and Crispo, apparently a bachelor,had left the estate to his mate, Ned, or sold it to him on easy terms. Whichever,Ned was able to build the heritage-listed house at 17 William Crescent about half a decade later.

While trying to find a heritage citation for Ned's new Eastbourne homestead, I came across Mike Hast's article about the opening of the Rosebud West Community hub. The summary mentioned William Rd, Blairgowrie so in view of the Crispo/Ned mateship, I checked its location. Sure enough the straight part was one of the main streets of Crispo's village of Manners Sutton (later Canterbury, both names coming from the Governor, Sir John Manners-Sutton who became Viscount Canterbury during his term of office.) So that makes some council officer guilty of TWO acts of historical vandalism! The shire must have resolved to remove the s from the end of street names where it had served a possessive function ('s) and Williams'(Cres., Rd.) from which the apostrophe had been dropped over time became William! It's a pity the know all (who crossed out the s where Peter Wilson, in THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO, had described Ned's house as being at 17 WILLIAMS CRESCENT, didn't ask the council why there was no s at the end of the street name.

NED WILLIAMS' PROPERTIES ON BROWNS RD.
In 1900, Ned's Browns Rd properties were occupied by Edward Connop and in 1910 by John and Marion Edwards of Eastbourne, Dromana. The 1910 assessment is an example of the the reason Cr Terry resigned from council. The shire was nearly broke from the lingering effects of the 1890's depression and Terry was demanding that properties be properly described so that it was clear who owed rates etc. It is unclear whether John and Marion were residing in a house in Dromana named after the Rosebud West farm,but their surname wasn't Edwards, it was Edmonds.

Ned Williams' daughter, Marion,had apparently married Ned Edmonds and one of their daughters had married James Woonton (according to the late Ray Cairns who added that James did road maintenance for the shire.)

In 1919,James had just started leasing the Eagle Ridge site, and the triangular 27A of 20 acres adjoining it on the west,from Ned Edmonds of Boneo. Marion Edmonds was assessed on "94 acres 39A" which John Edwards (sic) had occupied in 1910.
(No wonder Cr Terry was furious! It was 39B of 93 acres 2 roods and 8 perches, and 39A fronting Truemans Rd, consisted of a bit over 83 acres.)

EASTBOURNE.
In 1900,Edward Williams was leasing 69 acres of Eastbourne (crown allotment 52) from Crispo. (The rate collector obviously didn't read the death notices.) He apparently owned 170 acres in crown allotments 52 and 44. As c/a 52 in the high and dry area consisted of 141 acres,Ned was not occupying 43 acres of c/a 44 near the swamp.(Probably the land that Alex Crichton added to the Lovie grants.)

Ned was also assessed on the 20 acres of 27A Wannaeue (Melway 169 west half F12 and south east half E12.) The other Browns Rd grants were 27 B (Eagle Ridge Golf Club to bottom of diagonal western boundary* in Melway 252 G1) and c/a 39B (Melway 169 F11 part 10,part E 10,11.)
(*The western border of 27B went due south from the north west corner of Eagle Ridge.)

In 1910,Caroline Williams (Carrie) was assessed on 69 acres in 52 Wannaeue (near Eastbourne Rd),her address,like the Edmonds, being given as Eastbourne, Dromana. She was also assessed on 162 acres in 7A Wannaeue, east of the southern, swampy half of Eastbourne (Melway 169 K6 to Hiscock Rd, adjoining the Eastbourne Primary School site, and fronting Boneo Rd south of a point opposite the Branson St corner.) Alex Crichton of the Glen Lee family had bought part of crown allotment 44 and sold this with John Lovie's grants between Ned's 39B and Eastbourne to Louis Jensen of Blackburn. Alex, who'd been assessed on Lovie's grants for many decades,had moved to Cockatoo.

In 1919 James C.Williams had crown allotment 7 (see Carrie in 1910) and Ted* had 190 acres and buildings part c/a 44 and crown allotment 52. The William Crescent house was of course on c/a 52. Caroline was leasing 69 acres,pt.c/a 44. (* As Ned was 83, I presume that Edward meant Ted.)

CRISPO.On the 13th October, at the residence of Mr. Edward Williams, Eastbourne, Rye, Sidney Smith Crispo, late secretary and paymaster, Admiralty Survey, Victoria, aged 71. Buried at Rosebud????? Cemetery.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 18 October 1899 p 1 Family Notices)

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 22 April 1915 p 1 Family Notices
...bsp; affectionate family.) WILLIAMS - In sad and loving memory of my dear wife, and our loving mother, Mary Williams, who died at "Eastbourne," Rosebud, on the 21st April, 1914.

WILLIAMS. On the 12th November, at his residence, Eastbourne, Rosebud, Edward, loved father of Edward, James, Caroline, Ellen (Mrs.Connop), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased), aged 90 years.
(P.17, Argus, 13-11-1926.)

Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 10 September 1947 p 11 Family Notices
... Eastbourne. Rosebud West, Edward Thomas son of the late Edward and Mary Williams, be- loved brother
(Ted was the Edward Thomas Williams who was insolvent.)

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 30 April 1949 p 15 Family Notices
... - On April 29, at Dro- mana Community Hospital, Caroline, of Eastbourne, Rosebud West, eldest daughter ..

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March 2013 - The Village Glen, Rosebud
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March 2013,Issue No 384, Eastbourne by Bergliot Dallas.

The following extract from the VILLAGE GLEN NEWS contains some mistakes but adds some important information, such as Ned making the road around Anthony's Nose in 1866 which I'd forgotten to mention. I'll have to check whether 19 William Crescent could be the original Eastbourne homestead in which Crispo died. There is no rate book evidence that Ned Williams occupied Eastbourne from the 1860's; this might be confusion caused by the author being unaware of Manners-Sutton at Blairgowrie. Bergliot seems to be unaware that there had been two homesteads on Eastbourne, the second, circa 1904 involving Croad and Morse,built for Ned. Probably not having consulted rate books and parish maps, Bergliot assumed that Eastbourne and the Browns Rd. properties adjoined when they were separated by John Lovie's grants,owned from early times by Alex Crichton.There is ample evidence (letters to the editor) that Crispo lived at Eastbourne, which was at times described as being at Rye,the name of Rosebud West not then being used.

Eastbourne Bergliot Dallas
How many of us here at the Village Glen are aware of the existence of Eastbourne, the historic
farmhouse located close by at 19 William Street. It was built between 1885 and 1890, when the
property comprised almost 200 acres and stretched from Eastbourne Road to Browns Road,
roughly between Balaka Street and Elizabeth Avenue.
Edward Williams came from Sydney in about 1860, and was a member of the crew of HMVS, the
Survey Ship Victoria. He was later described variously as a contractor, farmer, butcher and
yeoman! On the Victoria he met Sidney Smith Crispo, the paymaster who lived at Canterbury
Jetty, Rye. He owned the property that Williams and his family occupied from 1864, but never
lived there, and the sale to Williams was only finally concluded in 1899, three weeks prior to
Crispos death from influenza.
Mary Campbell migrated from Stirling, Scotland, in 1852 on the Europa with one of the Cairns
families as a nursemaid for their children. On the Mornington Peninsula, she was employed by
the Burrells at what had been the McCrae homestead. During this time, she met and married
Edward Williams, who was fourteen years her junior. They had five children.
The house is built of local limestone, with exterior walls about 60cm thick. This keeps the
temperature inside quite even, neither cold in winter nor hot in summer. W J Croad was
contracted as the builder and George Morce did the stone work. There are numerous examples
of the work of both these Sorrento men in Portsea, Sorrento and Rye, but the house is certainly
unique in the Rosebud/Tootgarook, area and was named in the Shire of Flinders Heritage Study
inventory as a house of local significance.
Edward Williams contributed quite significantly to the settlement and history of the area. He cut
the road around Anthonys Nose next to the beach, and undertook the contract to drain the
Tootgarook Swamp (as well as most of his pasture), creating Chinamans Creek, so named
because a man called Wong-Shing leased the land on the eastern bank of the creek and used
it as a market garden for many years around the early 1900s. In Sorrento, opposite the Park,
the butchers shop of Williams and Son (Edward and his son, Edward Jnr) traded for many years,
and animals from Eastbourne were slaughtered on the site then known as
Butchers Hill, on the corner of Hotham Road and George Street.
The old dairy, which was at one time the Eastbourne Butter Factory, can still be seen
beside the house. One of the daughters, Caroline (known as Carrie), is remembered
as always wearing a black dress, white bonnet and apron, selling eggs and butter.
She died aged 90 in 1949, a spinster. Edward and Mary and their children are buried in the Rye Cemetery.

Just in conclusion, Eastbourne might have become part of Federanium, the capital city of Australia if Crispo's plan had been adopted. See:
BONEO AND FINGAL IN 1902, MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC ...
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Jun 4, 2013 - 'Federanium.' The streets a mile and two miles long. S: 8. CRISPO ... BONEO. Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 17 May 1894 .

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