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Jones ancestors, Ramsbury, Wiltshire, UK

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My name Peggy Marilyn Jones b 6/2/1943, Burford, Oxfordshire (I changed my name by deed poll after divorce)
Father Samuel Albert Jones b 1904, Wiltshire m Annie Gladys Foreshew b 1904 London
Grandfather William Jonesb 1877 Wiltshire m Rosa Lily Chandler 1876 Wiltchire
GGfather Jabez John Jones b 1843 Wiltshire m Sarah (I think, but not sure of this connection)
GGGfather Samuel Jones b 1811 m Sarah ?
GGGG father Samuel Jones b 1770 m Sarah Carter b 1770 (not sure of this connection)

Surnames: CHANDLER FORESHEW JONES TOCOCK
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by summeroz Profile | Research | Contact | Subscribe | Block this user
on 2013-09-07 19:44:40

It would appear my Jones ancestors come mainly from around Ramsbury in Wiltshire. There are also Chandlers, Foreshews and Tococks in there too. I think I have got back as far as Samuel Jones 1770, but can't be certain.

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by noggin on 2013-09-13 12:48:05
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by summeroz on 2013-09-13 20:40:41

G'day Noggin, well we must be related. My father was Samuel Albert Jones, he married Annie Gladys Foreshew. As far as I can tell so far, Jabez married a Sarah, they had 3 daughters Rhoda,Gertrude and Sarah L and a son William E. I think Jabez's parents may have been Samuel Jones born 6th December 1811 and Sarah 1818. I think Samuels parents may have been Samuel Jones 1770 and Sarah Carter 1770. I will be in the UK next June. I have traced the Chandlers and they were all Saddlers and I think Frederick Chandler may be a decendant still involved in Saddlery in Marlborough. William Jones 1877 married Rosa Lily Chandler 1876, they were my Grandparents. I will keep in touch as I do more investigating. The Jones are a bit hard with all the Samuels and Sarahs. Cheers Summer (Peggy)

by asheppard on 2013-09-13 22:53:06

A copy of Jabez birth certificate may shed more light on Rhoda/Sarah, it may be a transcription error on the baptism information.

Births Dec 1842
Jones Jabez John Hungerford 6 179

On 1851 Census shows "Sarah" was born in Hampshire, name and place of birth follow through to 1881 Census.

In 1861 Samuel & Sarah, son Samuel, Major William & Sarah Ann and Samuel's father Richard b 1777, widowed Former dairy farmer, recorded under "Janes"

In 1871 Samuel & Sarah, son Major William & daugh. Sarah Ann, children recorded without surname, also Nephew Joseph Leckman 13, and a Dom Serv. Jabexz & Sara next door.

In 1881 Samuel & Sarah, daughter Sarah Ann b1857 plus Grocers Assistant, Baker & Dom. Serv were living next door to Jabez & Sarah. Samuel's Occ: Grocer & Baker, Jabez Occ: Bacon Curer

by summeroz on 2013-09-13 23:19:44

You have been most helpful.. Can you tell me how I can get back before 1770. I live in Australia so can't visit parish lists etc.

by noggin on 2013-09-14 06:18:52
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by summeroz on 2013-09-14 19:29:33

Thank you, I will give that a try. What has thrown me a bit is that Jabez married a Sarah, his father Samuel married a Sarah, and his father Samuel married a Sarah. It is confusing, could three generations of men each marry a Sarah?

by asheppard on 2013-09-14 23:56:13

It's possible, but Jabez's father Samuel b1811 married Sarah, Samuel's fathers name was Richard b 1777 as per 1861 Census and he married Hester according to the Baptism records above that Noggin found.

by summeroz on 2013-09-15 00:28:10

Thank you, I had discounted the Richard and Hester connection, even though I have printed their records. I may be able to go back further now. What a great site this is, and what helpful people you all are. Thank a million.

by summeroz on 2013-09-15 19:10:07

G'day again, In my copy of the 1861 census, Richard Jones was born in 1837 not 1777 as per noggin, he is listed as brother to Samuel, he is listed as a widowed, dairy man. I am a bit confused at the moment so will need to sit down with all the printouts and really find out who Samuel's (1811) father was

by asheppard on 2013-09-15 19:48:04

I'm not quite sure at what printouts you are looking at but on the original handwritten Census for 1861, where the family is recorded under "Janes" and is a transcription error, it clearly shows Richard Father Widowed aged 84.

1861 England Census about Samuel Janes (reads Jones)
Name: Samuel Janes
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Janes
Father's Name: Richard Janes
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Ramsbury
Town: Ramsbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Hungerford
Sub-registration District: Hungerford
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 37
Piece: 725
Folio: 28
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Janes 50 Occ: Grocer
Sarah Janes 43
Samuel Janes 17
Mary Wm Janes 8
Sarah Ann Janes 5
****Richard Janes 84 widowed Dairy Farmer
Sarah Marshall 29


and in the 1841

1841 Census

1841 England Census about Samuel Jones
Name: Samuel Jones
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Ramsbury
Hundred: Ramsbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Hungerford
Sub-registration District: Hungerford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1184
Book: 15
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Jones 30 Occ Grocer
Richard Jones 68 Occ Farmer
Hester Jones 63
Martha Jones 33
Rhoda Woodham 3 (grandaghter of Richard & Hester)

the family seemed to remain in Ramsbury living in High Street, a few doors from each other.

by asheppard on 2013-09-15 20:02:57

On 1861, Mary Wm Janes should read Major William Jones.

I still think you best bet to get the right family connection to Samuel, is to purchase Jabez's birth certificate, it will show Sarah/Rhoda's actual name and maiden name and then you could search for the marriage to Samuel and get his fathers details from the marriage certificate.

I think Joy Murrin in Australia can do transcripts of England BMD this is her web,

www.joymurrin.com.au

it may be cheaper to get a transcript or an original copy from her or you can also purchase a copy from GRO UK. The references for Jabez birth are on the previous post.

by summeroz on 2013-09-15 20:12:50

Thank you, I haven't been looking at the original census forms, just the transcripts so I think I would be better off in future looking at the originals. I will order a birth certificate for Jabez. When I visit the UK next year I want to be able to see where my ancestors lived as I have no relatives in Australia outside immediate family, and never knew my grandparents or austs and uncles etc. I am in contact with a cousin Foreshew in London. Cheers

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