Martin Krause - My Great Grandfather on My Mothers Side
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by JamesLennox on 2008-03-10 22:54:24 Add JamesLennox as a friend JamesLennox's... Profile Research Contact | Martin Krause,(Born: 28 Mar 1856 & Died 19 May 1938) was the 3rd child of Johann Krause and Maria Krause (nee Kies).
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Martin's older brother, Johann, came to Victoria, Australia a couple of years earlier than his brother and parents, with an uncle. He did not go to South Australia. He died in Hamilton, Victoria in 1914.
Johann krause and Marie Kies had their last child in 1865 at Lyndoch, S.A. so could have been in Victoria anytime from there. Marie's death cert in 1911 indicates they went to Victoria in about 1900. But Martin was married in Victoria in 1886 so you would think Johann and Marie were in Vic. at that time. death cert information is never reliable, only as good as informant's knowledge.
On 29th August 1903 at Warracknabeal, Victoria Australia, Mary Krause was naturalised. She was 79 years of age, was born in Kotbus, Heinrich Bridge, Germany. She arrived in Australia in November 1863 on the “Vondrum” from Hamburg, and had been in the colony of Victoria for 40 years. She was a widow.
( National Archives, Australia)
Some spelling errors in document eg. Kotbus + Vondrum.
This would be Marie nee Kies, mother of Martin.
I made a mistake on comment re: when Marie Krause nee Kies'death certificate states she was in Victoria from 1900 - it was actually from 1860. This is not the right date either as they were still in S.A. in 1865.
My recent research indicates that Johann may well have arrived earlier than his parents and brother Martin.
The Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 only shows one Hans Krause arriving on the Wandrahm. Up until I recieved your advice I was thinking that this may have been the young Hans with the father coming over ealier! Then sending word for the other members of his family to come over!
The index shows KRAUSE Hans arr: 1862 WANDRAHM
KRAUSE Marie arr: 1862 WANDRAHM
KRAUSE Martin b: c1801 d: 15.5.1873 Eden Valley
SA arr: 1862 WANDRAHM*res: Eden Valley
KRAUSE Martin arr: 1862 WANDRAHM
(The "Wandrahm" arrived at Port Adelaide on 13 March 1862.
It is most likely that the older Martin was related to Johann senior however, I cannot find any information which might shed some light as to how they may have been related?
I have found what I now understand to be the Naturalization Document (Dated 19 September 1884)for a Johann Krause, stating he arrived in Victoria in 1859. He states he was born at Cotbus Brandenburg Germany and he had been living in Victoria for 25 years. This would make him born abt 1848, abt the same age as Martins Brother!!
Is there any information on the Uncle that Johann came to Victoria with?
Johann did not come to Australia with his parents. He came in about 1859 with an Uncle according to family history. According to the National Archives of Australia, a Johann LEHMANN was naturalised in 1863 at Hamilton, Victoria. He was 46 years of age, born in Heinersbruck, Prussia, and had arrived in Victoria in November 1859 via the ship “Forward/Vorwarts/ Voorwart/ Forwards ??”.
He had married Anna Kies in Heinersbruck. Johann KRAUSE also came over in 1859 on the Forward/Voorwart. If Anna KIES was maternal aunt to Johann (being sister of Marie Kies who was Johann Krause's mother), then Johann Lehmann was the uncle Johann Krause was said to have arrived with to Australia.
Interestingly, Johann Lehmann & wife, Anna nee Kies, had Martin. Martin married Maria Mirtschin. Maria Mirtschin was sister to Agnes Mirtschin who married Johann Krause, the above nephew of Johann Lehmann and Anna Kies.
Also interesting is that Johann Krause’s mother, Maria Kies’s mother was Hannah Lehmann.
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