Jazzy53 , from Canada, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Oct 2011. is researching the following names: LAMBLE, EDWARDS.
that marriage date for Benjamin and Eva FRANKS has no document or certificate attached. A male child is noted for Eva, no dates no name just living EDWARDS.
Hi there Janilye...I was so excited to recieve your reponse to day. This is most certianly the Benjamin Edwards I have been searching for. He was listed as being married to my grandmum, Paulina Lamble. Although I do not believe there is a record of marriage. My Dad was born Sydney John Lamble On Oct. 31 1912 on 43 St. Aubuyn St. Plymouth. I believe my father was given up as he was found to have lived at one time in a Workhouse. He was brought to Canada by Dr. Barnardo. My Dad stayed in touch with Grandmum through the years as did us children..I am not sure how to do research for Benjamin so telling me this has been so good. Any thing you find out I would be greatful to know....Thank you....Pauline Lamble Clark
If Benjamin and Paulina were married your father would have been registered as Edwards. Number 43 St.Aubyn Street could have been a workhouse, an almshouse or a lying-in house where paulina was sent to have her baby. Her father appears to have been quite well off with his own business as a thatcher, but he died in 1902 leaving a wife and 6 or 7 children.
I was just looking at one of the Plymouth websites and 3 doors along at number 49 St Aubyn Street was Devonport's Labour Exchange which opened in 1910, it had two rooms on the ground floor for the men and two rooms on the first floor where the women, girls and boys were dealt with. The street was a no through road back then and ended up behind the houses in Duke Street.
Perhaps a search of the workhouses and orphanages in the area will turn something up. There wouldn't have been too many that took boys.
I found the marriage for Benjamin and Eva in 1911.
Name: EDWARDS, Benjamin W
Name: FRANKS, Eva
Registration District: St. Thomas
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 5B
Page No: 106
They had a son registered in the first quarter of 1912.
Name: EDWARDS, Horace J
Registration District: St. Thomas
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Franks
Volume No: 5B
Page No: 58
Thank you both so much for taking the time to let me know what you have found. Benjamin seems to still be a mystery. My Grandmum was not married to Benjamin when my father was born. She was just 16 or 17 I believe. Any thing you find would be most helpful....Regards.....Pauline
Since Horace J Edwards is documented, tracing his family would probably be the better way to go in finding information on Benjamin.
Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I have been in touch with the Edwards and thing's just don't seem to add up for Ben and Paulina. He is however named on the birth certificate.
So, in summary I think we need to see the 1911 census record for Benjamin Edwards, do you know anyone who has access to these?
Benjamin Walter Edwards is living at Holly Tree Cottage Withycombe Exmouth and is shown as a farm labourer on the 1911 census. He is living with his family.
EDWARDS, Frederick Simon Head Married
36 years M 59 1852 Farm Labourer Sidmouth
EDWARDS, Susan Wife Married F 59 1852 Newton Poppleford
EDWARDS, Frederick William Son Single M 35 1876 Farm Labourer Otterton
EDWARDS, Harriet Jane Daughter Single F 24 1887 Laundress Littleham
EDWARDS, Benjamin Walter Son Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Withycombe
EDWARDS, Percy Gorden Son Single M 13 1898 Withycombe
Paulina is shown at 25 George St Devonport and is shown as a domestic servant to the Robb family with whom she is shown as living with on the night of the 1911 census.
LAMBLE, Paulina Domestic Servant Single F 17 1894 General Servant Cornworthy Devon
On 1911 census there are two other Benjamin Edwards, both living in Devonport, same area as Paulina. They are:
Benjamin Edwards, South Raglan Barracks, occupation Police, age 31, born Oxford
Benjamin Ernest Edwards, 35 Pembroke Street, age 16. Living with his parents and 4 other siblings.
Let us know what you think.
Out of interest Benjamin Ernest Edwards died in 1918, Devonport at the age of 22.
Perhaps this the correct Benjamin and his early death would explain some of the circumstances that you mentioned in your earlier message regarding the workhouse etc.
You have been so helpful. Thank you so much. I have read and re read the information and wonder now why she would name Benjamin WALTER Edwards...It seem's a long shot now...Thank you again
Paulina Lamble married Samuel Hayden in 1916 and had 3 children....Winnifred, Sam and William...
On the 1901 census and his father was a farm waggoner and had lived in 4 different places around Devon over the previous 10 years.
I've found a Death date for Eva Edwards nee FRANKS 1966 Plymouth.
and I think Benjamin Walter Edwards died in 1972 in London there were 2 Benjamin Walter Edwards the other one died in Wales. But then of course his death could have been registered as just Benjamin.
Paulina didn't just pick a name out of a hat. If over the years she said it was Benjamin Walter Edwards that was Sydney's father I see no reason for her to lie about it. Especially since she had married and had more children.
She probably went into domestic service not long after her father died.
Thank you so much Janilye. All your information has been very helpful.Paulina never spoke of Benjamin. My father also did not talk much about him. he never met him to my knowledge.
After many e-mail's back and forth with the Edwards family it seems there is no way that Benjamin Walter is my grandfather. Nothing fits for that time period. It seem's more likely now that Benjamin Ernest Edwards, Mar 1895 qtr, St Germans, 5c 36. is my grandfather.
This is the latest e-mail from Benjamin Walters family.
Hi again Pauline.
I think with the information given to you by your Dad that Benjamin Ernest Edwards must be your Dad's Father. It all fits so well. With his early death this could be the reason why things turned out as they did.
One advantage with an ancestor working in the Dockyard at Devonport is that as it was a HM Royal Navy Dockyard, records of works must have been kept. It may be worthwhile researching the RN records to see if it list Benjamin. Also Benjamin's death certificate should shoe a profession, (perhaps dockworker, sailor etc).
Best of luck,
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