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John Wallace Joss, son of Captain James Joss of Banff, Scotland

Query by swinneyf

James Joss was in Sydney, Australia late 1820's and eventually resided at The Neck, Stewart Island, New Zealand 1830's to 1845 when he sailed for Tahiti, in the Rover's Bride with two sons James Bruce and John Wallace. They didn't return.

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by janilye on 2017-01-11 18:11:04

an Affidavit in NSW State Records states George Turner JOSS a retired Master Mariner died in Manly, Sydney on the 14 May 1934. There is no death registered with NSW. BD&M

Captain Joss newspaper results 1829-1860.

by swinneyf on 2017-01-11 18:45:52

Thank you for that janilye. I am afraid he is not one of my Joss'. My journal above is not clear that the statement id about the father James Joss. Its seems the Joss family from Banff, Scotland were a seafaring lot. James did have a son James Bruce in Sydney in 1829. The mother was Mary Robinson. He seems to have been somewhat free with his affections as I have records of one wife and child in Banff, Mary in Sydney and two mothers with four children in NZ ! !

by janilye on 2017-01-11 19:44:06

LOSS OF THE NATAL STEAMER WALDENSIAN,— The following particulars of the loss of the Natal mail steamer Waldensian are abstracted from the East Province (Cape of Good Hope) Herald. On October 16th
Cape Town was put into a painful state of excitemcnt by the intelligence that the screw steamer Waldensian had been lost off Struy's Point, near Cape Agulhas.
The following letter, written by Captain Joss the morning after the
catastrophe, gives a clear account of the occurrence :—
'I am sorry to inform you that the Waldensian is a total wreck on
Struy's Point Reef. I passed Cape Infanta about half-past six last
night, about seven to eight miles off the land, and steering my
usual course from L'Agulhae Point Light. The night was very
hazy, and about half-past nine I went off the deck, leaving the
second mate in charge. I said to him, "Keep a good look out for
ships" It was dark, and a light south-east wind, with the square
sails set. I did not leave the deck to turn in, but I went down to
read, and about ten p.m. I fell asleep, and about eleven p.m. the
ship ran on the reef, going about seven knots. I jumped on deck,
and was for a minute quite taken back, as I thought we were so
far off the land. I tried to back astern, but found her so
fast that she would not move, and the bottom soon got holed ;
the water came in and put the fires out. By this time we had all
the boats out and under the lee side of the ship, and I had by that
time got a sight of the land, and knowing the place, I then sent
the second officer with a boat to look for the landing-place, which
I knew was there. He came back, saying that he had
landed. I then got the ladles in the first two boats ashore—
sixteen of them — under the charge of the first and second officers ;
the other two boats, under the carpenter and boatswain, then took
the old men. All the others we sent, as we could, in several trips,
which took a long time, but by daylight I had them all on shore,
and by that time two of the boats had been stove. A shore boat
came off at 7 p.m, and I took the mails in her, and left the ship
myself, all tbe others being safe on shore. The ship is now broken
in two parts. I have been on again, but we can save nothing. All
are well. Mr. Barry is down, and we have arranged to take the passengers
to Struy's Bay, and you must send the Kadie or Albatross for us."

The most perfect order was maintained by all on board, and it is
no doubt owing to this circumstance that no lives were lost. The
vessel broke in halves about half-past 11 on the morning of the
14th, and, with the cargo, became a perfect wreck.
The passengers saved nothing, besides the clothes they wore. The loss of
several has been considerable— in many instances large sums of
money and valuable effects having gone down. The Christy Minstrels,
who were on board, lost all their costumes and instruments,
besides £400 in cash. By far the heaviest loss, however,
is that of Captain Bailey, who had with him on board four years'
observations on the trigonometrical survey of the colony, the
whole of which went down with the wreck On reaching the
land the gentlemen lighted a large fire, and made the ladies
as comfortable as possible, and on the following morn
ing several neighbours who had been informed of the disaster
came down to the beach and behaved very hospitably and liberally
to the shipwrecked travellers. The passengers were conveyed
overland in whatever vehicles were obtainable, and reached Cape Town on Thursday.
A letter bearing testimony to Captain Joss's skilful conduct under the trying circumstances has been sent to the Cape papers by the Christy
Minstrals, and the passengers were arranging to present him with
a testimonial for his admirable behaviour after the wreck, and
his wonderful success of saving all the passengers. It is stated as
being almost next to a miracle that any lives were saved. The
water is scarcely ever so smooth at the scene of the wreck as on
this eventful night, and usually there is a terrific sea running
there. Thanksgiving services took place on the following Sun
day in the Dutch churches, having special reference to the rescue
of the passengers, and a commission had been appointed to investigate
the losses of the passengers, with a view to opening a
subscription list for their relief.
Source: Sydney Mail Sat 21 Feb 1863

by janilye on 2017-01-11 19:47:25

Must be something with the Joss name that turns them into seafarers'
Ah well the above might be useful to someone else online.

by swinneyf on 2017-01-11 20:03:43

True enough. My chap built his own (40 ton) sailed off to Tahiti with his two sons and was never seen again. Guessing about 1846. Just to add to the confusion a ship, larger, was sailing about the Pacific at the same time. Fortunately not with a captain Joss.

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