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Kenneth Matheson who lived New Zealand & Aussie

Question by Tiko

Kenneth Matheson was in Metcalf Australia and his son John was in New Zealand . John went to the Boer War and returned to NZ He paid maintenance while away as he left a child by the name of John William Ferguson . He took his mothers name as she was Jessie Ferguson. We don't know but think that Dugald Matheson who looked after Sommes Island in Wellington had married a sister to Jessie a Alice Maria Ferguson . We would like to trace John William who was registered in the North Island

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by ngairedith on 2012-12-11 17:03:19

Jessie's son, John William, was born 2 July 1900. He was registered as John William Matheson. Father John Matheson, Mother Jessie Ferguson Matheson.

John died 5 July 1976 as John William Matheson

by Tiko on 2012-12-11 20:21:14

That is our man . I wonder if he got married and had children . Did you have where he died?

by Tiko on 2012-12-19 03:04:57

Would you be able to let me know where he died please

by ngairedith on 2012-12-19 03:54:30

hello Tiko,

have you checked the Dunedin cemetery, there are over 240 Matheson buried there

by ngairedith on 2012-12-19 08:19:37

actually, I've got a feeling that your branch of the Mathesons were in the Manawatu (Feilding, Palmerston North, Woodville, Dannevirke, Pahiatua etc)
Will have a look around for you tomorrow

by Tiko on 2012-12-19 13:16:45

Thank you

by ngairedith on 2012-12-19 16:37:21

Dugald Matheson married Marion Alice Ferguson (1874-1943) in 1895
- their 4 known children:
1896 - 1965 Donald Alexander Matheson
1897 - Murdo Matheson (not verified), possibly Norman, Dr in London
1898 - 1969 William Dugald matheson
1904 - 1912 Hector McLean Matheson

Marion Alice Ferguson was a daughter of Donald FERGUSON and Elizabeth SUTHERLAND
- the known children of Donald & Elizabeth:
1865 - Catherine McLean Ferguson
1866 - Donald Ferguson
1869 - Elizabeth Jane Ferguson
1872 - John Douglas Ferguson
1874 - Marion Alice Ferguson

about Dugald Matheson, written about 1897
... Dugald Matheson, Headmaster of the Stanway Public School, was born at Queenstown in 1868, and received his education in the public schools of Palmerston North. After passing his examination as pupil teacher, his first appointment was to the Linton school, of which he had charge for six years. He was then promoted to the Stanway school, and has been in charge ever since. In volunteer circles Mr. Matheson is well known, having been a sergeant in the Manawatu Mounted Rifles, and in 1894 he was awarded the gold medal for best accoutred and mounted man in the troop. In football he played for a number of seasons with both Mortion and Feilding Football Clubs. In shooting and swimming Mr. Matheson has always taken great interest, and at the present time (1896) is busy in forming a local rifle club. Recently Mr. Matheson married a daughter of the late Mr. Ferguson, of Marton

Somes Island Internment Camp
... The commandant of Somes Island throughout the internment period was Major Dugald Matheson. A former schoolteacher who grew up in the Manawatu, Matheson taught at Stanway School, near Halcombe, between 1894 and 1901. He would therefore have taught the children of, and mingled with, the many Scandinavian and German families living in that district. Possibly this previous experience with these immigrants influenced the decision to give him command of Somes Island. Matheson taught at Wellington Boys College between 1901 and his retirement due to ill health in 1913. His services with the Defence Department appear to have ended around the time the prisoners left and during the 1920s, he returned to primary school teaching

no Jessie sorry ...

by Tiko on 2012-12-19 17:04:50

Thank you for that you are so good. I did have the bit on Sommes Island but now we can forget the tie up as we had hoped. I cannot find this John William at at all dying in NZ and that is why I asked you. Thank you very much for your work

by janilye on 2012-12-19 20:38:03

try John William Matheson, died 5 July 1976 at Paparimu, New Zealand
He married twice in 1935 and 1945 second wife was Marjorie BOUCHER 1905-2003 she died at Papakura.

by janilye on 2012-12-19 21:22:36

From what I can tell, John Matheson b: 14 July 1862, Clevedon, Nz married Jessie Ferguson SUTHERLAND at Her father Hugh SUTHERLAND's home at Clevedon on the 20 December 1893 Jessie was born on the 18 January 1869 at Waipu and she died 25 June 1943. she was the daughter of Hugh SUTHERLAND 1836-1914 and Ann CAMPBELL 1843-1928. Hugh's parents were Hector SUTHERLAND abt.1798-1885 and Jessie FERGUSON abt.1800-1885 The were immigrants from Nova Scotia, Canada and settled in Clevedon.
The children of John MATHESON 1862-1946 and Jessie Ferguson SUTHERLAND 1869-1943 were:-
James MATHESON b:1894, Paparimu, d: 1978 Pukekohe
Jessie Campbell MATHESON b: 1896 1897
Hugh Ferguson MATHESON 1897 1982
Annie MATHESON 1898 1980
John William MATHESON 1900 1976
Kenneth Ewen MATHESON 1902 1991
Alexander Robert MATHESON 1906 1989

by Tiko on 2012-12-20 02:42:44

Yes it all seems a bit of a mystery. What we have done now is to go back to the facts that we have . We know that John William who died 5 July 1976 late of Paparium is not our family. fact Kenneth Matheson had a son John Matheson who went to the Boer War. According to war records he got a lady in the family way as the records tell of a Matheson and a Cameron having to go Guarantor for John before he could go. Looking up records we came across Jessie Ferguson who had a child in 1900 to a john Matheson. I think this has thrown me off beam as I now see that there is a Jessie Ferguson who's family name was Cameron. This cameron chap above had a father a Mr A Cameron of Waikaia
I think now that we should see if there is a connection here by finding Mr A Cameron family at Waikaia in 1900. We may be looking for the wrong Jessie surname . If he has a D Cameron and a Jessie Cameron. Getting a birth cert won't tell me much would it? We are trying to give back Medals won in the Boer War by John, which have been handed down over the years.

by janilye on 2012-12-20 03:47:07

I don't know if this means anything but there was a John Cameron Matheson service No.1615 in the 5th Contingent, Mounted Rifles who fought in the Boer War and was wounded in the Travanspoort on the 28 August 1901 and invalided back to Australia, he arrived in Victoria on the 7 December 1901. The 5th. Contingent was mustered in Victoria, Australia.
Is there a service No. on the medals?
Because when I look at your NZ Records I see this;
Surname: matheson.
Reg No: 1669.
Given Names: j.
Rank: farrier-sergeant.
Unit: no 15 company (otago section).
Contingent: fifth.
Occupation: blacksmith.
Ship: gymeric 31 march 1900.
County/City: southland.
Address: waikaia.
Next of Kin: matheson mr k.
Next of Kin Address: metcalfe victoria australia.

Which I assume is the one you're going by. Metcalfe was a very, very small town (still is) about 45 clicks south of Bendigo. Maybe you should be looking for a death of your John in Victoria.

If you gave the medals to the RSA wouldn't they try and find his decendants

by janilye on 2012-12-20 04:15:08

According to this newspaper article, below, there certainly was a K Matheson of Metcalfe and it would appear that he was a farmer.
Since you have no luck in New Zealand, it might be worth shifting your search to Victoria.
Victorian bd&m, the Castlemaine and the Bendigo Historical Societies would be most helpful to you. The more you know about this Matheson family the easier it will be to trace relatives.
The McIvor Times and Rodney Advertiser,Friday 25 February 1887
KILLED BY A BULL.-The Taradale correspondent of the " Kyneton Guardian" writes : under Friday's date:-Mr K. Matheson came in from Metcalfe this morning to notify to the police that yesterday evening Mr Jno. Rowe, farmer, Metcalfe, had been knocked down in his Paddock by a bull and then gored on the back of the head. When he was found he had a large wound on the back of his head. When Mr Matheson, his neighbour, was sent for he found him insensible. He never spoke, and died half an hour afterwards. An inquest will be held. Mr Rowe was brother to Messrs Hannibal and Edward Rowe, the well-known mineowners.

In the meantime I will see what else I can pick.

by janilye on 2012-12-20 04:25:45

Here's a bit more gold;now you have a sister for your John:
The Argus Melbourne, Vic.Thursday 19 May 1938
McKAY -On the 2nd Aprll at Whangarei(NZ) Anne widow of the late Alex S McKay of Walpu and daughter of the late Kenneth Matheson of Metcalfe Victoria

by janilye on 2012-12-20 06:04:00

Another son of Kenneth was Duncan Sinclair Matheson Service No. 7626 died of wounds received in France on 10 August 1918. Memorial - Heath Cemetery, Harbonnieres, France
He enlisted in the 8th Batt. in Melbourne gave a sister M Matheson as next of kin (father Deceased). In his will he left all his personal effects to sisters, Isabelle Mary and Betsy. After his death the Army in an effort to find next of kin to send medals traced elder brother John Matheson to Roxburgh NZ He wrote back on 18 Feb. 1922 giving permission for medals to go to sister Isabelle. That is the only communication from John Matheson amongst these documents and the address given as Roxburgh, Otago, NZ
But the medals went to the wrong address so Army wrote to Ken Jnr at Ouyen asking for Isabelle's correct address which turned out to be Wallen Post Office, Victoria

The Argus Melbourne, Vic. Monday 15 August. 1921
MACDONALD.On the 14th August, at the Women's Hospital, Melbourne,
Bessie, dearly beloved wife of Donald MacDonald, daughter of the
late Kenneth Matheson, Metcalfe.
The Argus Melbourne, Vic. Saturday 25 November 1922
MATHISONELLIOTT. On the 21st September. 1922. at
Clarendon Manse. Dorcas street South Melbourne, by the
Rev. S. J. Atkins. Kenneth, fourth son of the late
Mr. Kenneth Matheson, of Metcalfe, to Grace, eldest daughter
of Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Elliott, of Walhalla.
Present address, "Lochalsh," Oke street. Ouyen.

by Tiko on 2012-12-20 14:28:35

Thank you that has opened it up a bit. We have a death cert of John Matheson who died 12 Nov 1931 at Coal Creek Roxburgh aged 62. with place of birth as Metcalf Australia blacksmith and mother was Isabella Matheson and father was Kenneth and it says he had a partner Bessie Jane with surname family name of Toms formerly Courtier.burial Roxburgh cemetery Sec 75 blk 6.I will ring Roxburgh to see if there is any more information.
Yes the RSA could do that but being in the family so long we would like to see it go to the right person and see that person.

by janilye on 2012-12-20 18:42:02

Why didn't you say you had his death certificate? It would have made things a lot easier.

by Tiko on 2012-12-20 23:13:18

I have only just received it and told you straight away.

by janilye on 2012-12-20 23:31:03

Oh okay well the last address I have found for Kenneth jnr is Lonsdale St East Melbourne. I have a Christmas party to attend now but later I will track down family for you (depending on how good the wine is)

by Tiko on 2012-12-21 00:13:02

I have got information coming from Ouyen historical society. As well I have contacted Alexandra library for information on the grave and paper.
I will let you know when this comes in. Many thanks

by janilye on 2012-12-21 07:23:58

When you contact Ouyen tell them Kenneth Matheson Jnr. died on the 15 July 1952 at the Ouyen Hospital. He was appointed J.P.for the Midland Bailiwick on 4 September 1928, sat on the bench of the Ouyen Court of Petty Sessions and for sometime, was deputy Coroner. He was also the Shire Secretary of Walpeup Council from about 1919 till about 1950 and his last known address in Ouyen was Emmett St., Ouyen in 1949. His wife was Grace, nee Elliott who for some years conducted the Presbyterian Sunday School at The Heart Estate. She also won several Golfing Championships for the Ouyen Golf Club.
From all I've read about this couple, I do not think they had children so you may be wasting your time. However the Historical Society should be able to tell you much more than I can from my chair here.
You might have more luck finding decendants of sisters, Anne McKay in NZ.
or Betsy Rebecca McDonald 1884-1921
As the mother of John William Matheson and Isabell Mary and Ann one Christina McRae. small transcription errors 9where would we be without them) but the citations is enough when there is more than one. Taradale is a spit from Metcalfe.
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about John Mathieson
Name: John Mathieson
Father's Name: Kenneth Mathieson
Mother's Name: Christina Mccrae
Birth Place: Taradale, Victoria
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 5619

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Isabella Mary Matheson
Name: Isabella Mary Matheson
Father's Name: Kemeth Matheson
Mother's Name: Chrstina Mcrae
Birth Place: Taradale, Victoria
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 26213

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Ann Matheson Name: Ann Matheson
Father's Name: Kenneth Matheson
Mother's Name: Christina Mckay
Birth Place: Taradale, Victoria
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 25002

by janilye on 2012-12-21 07:52:25

New Zealand BD&M.
1944/19028 Ferguson John William 74Y

by janilye on 2012-12-21 08:10:37

Sorry! disregard the above death date. That was unintentional.
Should be
births.
1900/5852
SURNAME: Matheson
GIVEN NAMES: John William
MOTHER: Jessie Ferguson
FATHER: John
and this is the only death I can find. Close but not accurate
1958/20870
SURNAME: Matherson
GIVEN NAMES: John William
AGE: 56Y

by Tiko on 2012-12-21 18:07:56

death notice for John Matheson
date of death was 12 November 1931 Coal Creek Roxburgh age 62, Blacksmith,-- mother Isabella and father Kenneth-- place of marriage or civil union was Dunedin first given name Bessie Jane formerly Toms formerly Courtier.
If John had to give all this money and 60 pounds was a lot of money in 1900 who would make him give it --would it be the courts?---as we had no social sircurity then I don't think.

by janilye on 2012-12-21 20:00:09

Yes it would have been a magisterial order. The usual rate back then was usualy 10/- a week depending on the income of the father and default could see you in the slammer for up to 3 months. Since he was leaving the country, which constitutes desertion he would have had to lodge the £60 with the courts as a bond. The law for the maintenance of deserted wives and children (including illegitimate children) has been around since 1840. Aged or infirm parents could also sue their children for support.

by janilye on 2012-12-21 20:04:06
by Tiko on 2012-12-21 21:56:56

Thank you . This way we will get the right name for the lady. Where would these records be held?

by janilye on 2012-12-21 22:59:00

New Zealand Archives look under Maintenance &c. nothing online.

by Tiko on 2012-12-22 02:10:50

Ok have put that in motion

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