edmondsallan , from auckland .nz , has been a Family Tree Circles member since Aug 2010. is researching the following names: CLAYTON, EDMONDS.
Interesting edmondsallan. I'm trying to track my Kukutai whakapapa. My great great grandmother was Mitenini Kukutai (aka Ngakungaku). Her husband was Hikaurua Tamihana Kapene. their son was Te Hororiri Tamihana who married Mereturama (Mary Eliza) Karaipu. their daughter was Rangiweu Tamihana who married Jack Noble (my grandparents).
Mitenini Kukutai's sister was Maraiti Kukutai who married Te Awaiti Te Aho Hira.
I have seen the whakapapa of Te Awaiti Te Aho Hira.
cheers Edda McCabe
You need to get in touch with one of your Maori elders of your mothers tribe They have tremendous knowledge on ancestral lines. Some do charge for their sevices regards allan
Did Mitenini Kukutai go by another name (as they did back in the day)
Mite Nini Potaua who had a sister Harete Nini Te Aho Potaua- Their father's name was Nini Kukutai who passed around 1888.
If this is helpful, then Nini Kukutai moved his hapu to Waikato; moreso Tuakau. The urupa is called Te Kohanga; that's where the Kukutai whanau lay.
Arohamai Mite sister is call Marete Nini Potaua not Harete.
Joey, Harete is correct. However, aunty Mawhi and aunty Ruby (Hira/Noble) called her 'Maraiti'.
I am finding out too the "name patterns" that are being used - was confusing to begin with but it's sorting itself, e.g. all of the names, "Kukutai, Nini, Potaua, Whakataha, Kerei, Rangiterewaka, Ngakungaku" can end up in ONE person's name, that is, also known as or alias - depends on which matua and tupuna they are qualifying AND if somewhere in the whakapapa the branch of connection is the SAME BRANCH, and obviously off the same TRUNK.
Hi, Kukutai's wife was OIROA (not Oeroa). She was the daughter of the chief Muriwhenua and his wife Raumako. Ngati Hourua.
I am searching for waata kukutai whakapapa...tautoko
Tena tatou katoa.
It's great to see all the different threads of information held by different whanau and whakapapa researchers.
I've seen it written that "Kukutai" had (7) SEVEN wives. I'm working with the First THREE wives and hoping I'm not going to be connecting to the other four. Hang on, I've read that one of THESE remaining FOUR wives was in fact his GRANDDAUGHTER, so I have connected back to myself, and don't even know who that/those issue are.
Does/Has anyone have the UPLINES for Waata Kukutai?
When we talk about KUKUTAI - Who are we REFERRING TO? - Waata Kukutai or His father or his grandfather. WHICH KUKUTAI (Senior or junior)had uri with RangiHERERUNGA and RangiHAERE.
(See edmondsallan's statements above, particularly para 2.) I have seen Native Land Court Records (Hearing)recording Kukutai wives as Hererunga and Rangihaere and that Kukutai had another wife Oiroa/Oeroa. Thus, Edmondsallan states Kukutai's mother was Oeroa, therefore, was the Native Land Court witness referring to a more senior Kukutai. (There was no qualifying reference in the NLC records as to which KUKUTAI was being "Heard" at the time, HOWEVER, MY assumption to be drawn from that
Hearing Record is that the KUKUTAI being "Heard" was one and the same person.
I'm happy to send copies of this NLC Hearing to anyone who wants a copy - the prime objective being to find the "Veracity" of any information I have found.
On top of all of this IS "Truth or Lies OR Truth AND Lies" of those who stood in their day in the NLC and MLC (Official Truth)and that NO_ONE Person's information is CORRECT or is WRONG and we all have "Personal Truth; Official Truth; Whanau/Community Truth and Emotional/Healing Truth." We all have more than one name or are known by different names that may not even bear any resemblance to what is our official name (check out Fenton's census of 1844 and 1858 of NgatiTahinga/Tipa residents now with another name); spelt with variables and the many other anomalies that make up the rich tapestry of people in their lives SO I'll take every bit of information I gather "with a grain of salt" until the "Veracity" whatever that looks like arrives.
All the best as we trawl thru the uri (whanau names) that come off KUKUTAI and send your head spinning when they say no I'm a Rautangata; a Hira; a Karaka; a Hura; a Tupaea; a Te Aho; a TeAo nah I'm a Kukutai and criss-cross again and again.
Edda Phyllis McCabe (nee Noble)
My Grandfather Is Jim Ingoa Phillips, Son of Pene Piripi Phillips and Rangitakaiho Tamihana, Rangitakaiho was the daughter of Paretohi Hira and Te Hororiri Tamihana, Paretohi Hira is Daughter of Maraiti Kukutai and Alec McGuiness aka Teawaiti Te Aho Hira, Kia Ora...
I am looking for the names of any of Maraiti Kukutai's Siblings and possibly there children's name, I know one of her sister's name is Mitenini? If anyone can possibly fill me in that would be awesome as I can fill in the blanks, I am also on facebook if you want to get in touch https://www.facebook.com/SOCIETY267
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