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Farms near TULLAMARINE: SPRING FARM, CUMBERLAND, PASCOE VILLA, ARUNDEL, ABERFELDIE, BIG CLARKE,(VIC., AUST.)

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on 2013-10-23 05:39:53

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-10-25 10:28:59

Text correction and adding of background information is continuing.

by itellya on 2013-10-26 03:24:14

by itellya on 2013-10-26 19:08:08

re PASCOE VILLA- COPIED FROM THE WILLIAM SMITH JOURNAL COMMENT.

The following is the result of a whole Saturday's work which prevented me from reading yesterday's paper. I could not get it to submit as an edit re Pascoe Villa last night and again this morning, it would not submit,in the journal or as a comment. Due to computer problems, I couldn't save it as a Word file and I was terrified that I would lose a whole day's work by copying something else. (I always copy before submitting in case I get the OH NOES page.) My loss would have been small fish compared with that suffered recently by that great family historian, Neil Hamilton Mansfield, when his computer crashed (see facebook)but still a morale-sapper. As a last resort, I decided to try submitting it as a new journal, which I decided would be about WILLIAM SMITH,the focus of its content.

The following will make little sense unless you first read my journal:
THIS ONE.

by itellya on 2013-10-27 07:19:50

The following shows that by 1850, the new (present)Sydney Road was being well used,helped by the bridge at Pascoe Vale having been swept away, and the NEW Young Queen Inn (that later became Father O'Hea's residence and is much mentioned in my Pentridge/Coburg journals)was in operation. It also shows that Old Sydney (Pascoe Vale) road had been connected to the new road at Somerton's Inn; this link would have been at least partly via Somerton Rd and possibly could have included Clifford Rd (a considerable short cut.) My conclusion that the link was via Cliffords Rd will be explained in my ROADS TO SYDNEY journal.

The Original YOUNG QUEEN, PASCOEVALE.
WILLIAM SMITH
In announcing that he has obtained a Publican's General License for the above Estab-
lishment, begs to intimate that the premises have undergone A THOROUGH REPAIR and they will now be found in point of comfort and accommodation SECOND TO NONE in the colony. Aware that from a variety of circumstances the establishment has not for some time past enjoyed that high reputation which might be desired, W. S is determined that no effort on his part will be wanting to thoroughly retrieve its character as A FIRST-RATE COUNTRY INN.

To those unacquainted with the precise locality he may state that the house is situate upon THE OLD SYDNEY ROAD which leads into the New Line of Sydney Road at the Somerton Inn.

Parties desirous of enjoying A DELIGHTFUL EXCURSION leaving for a time the busy scenes of the City and enjoying that great promoter of health and longevity, pure air, will not, W.S. feels assured, regret paying a visit to his establishment, where
they will find everything to conduce to their comfort. In the selection of THE CHOICE STOCK trouble and expense have been entirely lost sightof, the proprietor having been influenced by a determination not to admit to his cellars any but the choicest liquors of every description to be found in the market. Aware that a trip to the country has a tendency to sharpen THE APPETITE,W.S .esteems himself fortunate in having succeeded in obtaining the services of A FIRST-RATE COOK,determined that his more substantial fare shall in point of quality be no way inferior to his liquors, EXTENSIVE BULLOCK YARDS,are attached to the premises, which abound in fact with good accommodation for man and beast,and by civility,MODERATE CHARGES, the strictest cleanliness in every department, and unceasing attention to the comfort of his guests, W. S. confidently hopes to be honored with a fair share of patronage, which it shall ever be his study to deserve at THE ORIGINAL YOUNG QUEEN PASCOEVALE.
P.S.-W.S. begs to intimate to the the surrounding Farmers and Settlers, that a new and safe fording place is formed at the creek below Mr Macnamara, as a substitute for the old bridge swept away by the recent storm, until a new bridge,now in course of erection, is completed, which will be in about a week; travelling on this line of
road will then be safe and expeditious. (P.1, Argus,7-3-1850.)

by itellya on 2013-10-27 21:54:41

ABERFELDIE, BIG CLARKE
On facebook.

by itellya on 2013-10-27 23:52:45

Farms near TULLAMARINE: SPRING FARM, CUMBERLAND, PASCOE VILLA, ARUNDEL, ABERFELDIE, BIG CLARKE,(VIC., AUST.)

I'm having trouble submitting edits in the above journal. After correcting the text and re-arranging the layout to more than column width, I tried to submit the whole result, a line at a time, and then a few words,without success each time. In copying the name of the journal, I lost the text so now I'll have to find the article again. Forgive me for not correcting the text etc again.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 30 November 1867 p 2 Advertising.
PRIME FAT STOCK-DALMAHOY CAMPBELL
and Co will havo for SALE, at tho Market
yards, Flemington, on Wednesday, December 4,

SOO do do, for Mr W J T Clarke, from Rockbank
200 do do, for Mr James Robertson, Aberfeldie
300 do do, for Mr W J J. Clarke, fiona Donny-
brook.

CLARKE.
George Evans and the Jackson brothers were early squatters in the parish of Buttlejork (west of the Sunbury bridge) but were displaced by Clarke's Special Survey.The Jacksons' homestead was on the site of Rupertswood (named after Rupert,the grandson of Big Clarke (W.J.T.) and son of (later Sir W.J.Clarke) whom I presume was W.J.J. from Donnybrook. Another squatter displaced was John Brock, who became a pioneer near Bundoora, Janefield being named after his (wife?).

One legacy of Big Clarke is the crazy course of the Mt Alexander (Castlemaine) and Murray River Railway which was built so it crossed the road to Mount Alexander at Diggers Rest so it could pass by the back of Rupertswood (where there was a private station) and through Clarkefield, before returning to the logical route through New Gisborne. The contractor for construction of the line was John Vans Agnew Bruce, after whom Bruce Rd,Safety Beach, was named.

Big Clarke had much land, such as the Bolinda estate and Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach east to Bulldog Creek.) The 1000 acres of the survey between Ellerina Rd and Tassell's Creek came into the ownership of contractor,Bruce, who leased it to Edwin Louis Tassell, after whom the last part of Brokil Creek (now the Mt Martha Waterway) was named. Colin McLear said that Bruce's land was a wedding present from
Big Clarke and Lenore Frost said that James Hearn, who owned Roseneath in Woodland St Essendon (Later the residence of William Salmon) where Big Clarke died, was Clarke's son in law. I have failed to find a marital connection between Hearn/Bruce and Clarke.

ABERFELDIE.
This is the suburb near Essendon. Land in the area was granted to James Robertson of "Upper Keilor" (north west of "Overnewton".) He should not be confused with the James Robertson of La Rose at Pascoe Vale South (and Trinfour, Moonee Ponds, containing Park St) or the James Robertson of "Gowrie Park" at Campbellfield.

Aberfeldie was originally known as Spring Hill and was left to James Junior who built a mansion there after his mother's death and called it Aberfeldie.
His brother,Francis,a member of parliament,inherited the land north of Buckley St including McCracken St house blocks and extending west to a line halfway between Lincoln and Hoffmans Rd.

by itellya on 2013-10-28 00:07:21

Jamieson's Special Survey went east to Bulldog Creek ROAD.

Francis Robertson's estate carried his name of Mar Lodge and the homestead, 33 (B?) Forrester St is heritage-listed. The McCrackens, related to the Upper Keilor AND La Rose Robertsons, later owned Mar Lodge on which Essendon's first golf course was located.

by itellya on 2013-10-28 09:59:39

by itellya on 2013-10-28 10:43:00

Sorry about the repetition. Can't understand how I managed that. I even went to bed before 2 a.m. last night so it couldn't be lack of sleep. K.B.Keeley didn't know about Glengyle but there was no internet then; lucky us!

Sorry about the uncorrected text but it takes up five hours of every six that I spend.

Don't forget to read Donald McDonald's article (not the digitised version or you'll get brain strain!)

Signing off at 1:45 a.m. after 15.5 hours' work.

by itellya on 2013-10-28 10:47:41

TURNER'S.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 28 October 1864 p 5 Article
... dairy cow. Mr. W. Turner, ot Keilor, obtained the prize. 'lhere was a superior show of shesp. Tho ... Turner, Keilor.

Good night, again.

by itellya on 2013-10-28 10:48:34

by itellya on 2013-10-28 19:18:37

Arundel Closer Settlement being done now.

by Millyhettie on 2014-04-02 20:03:50

Michael Bourke and his wife Margaret Murphy with baby daughter Catherine left Limerick, Ireland, arrived arrived Port Phillip 4 October 1841. I can track his journey from Port Phillip to his final destination at Diggers Rest where he died 15 October 1890 with Margaret who died the following year.
James birth was registered as St Francis, Melbourne, Margaret at Moonee Ponds, Bridget and Mary Ann at Glengyle, Thomas at Saltwater Creek, Michael and John Thomas at Keilor.
As I am still researching the Bourke family I was interested in the Glengyle mentioned in your journals but still do not understand if it was one farm or a number of farms centred around Glengyle. Can you clarify this for me please? In an article Michael was called the King of the Basins, his son James married Margaret Leahy, settled in Bacchus Marsh, was President at the BM council,Thomas settled in Bacchus Marsh, son Michael settled in the Albert Park area and John Thomas in Avenel/Seymour. Refer Bacchus Marsh Express 6 Jan 1917 page 3 COIMADAI No 5. by Anders Hjorth - his memoirs of Deep Creek, Toolern and the Basins

by itellya on 2014-04-02 22:52:05

I believe all of section 1,Tullamarine was called Glengyle,probably by the second owner,Campbell (for whom K.B.Keeley believed that R.H.Bunbury, the grantee had acted as a dummy.) The northern part of the farm, perhaps lot 1 and 2 of the Arundel Closer Settlement (regranted to members of the Fox family)seems to have been leased out as Upper Glengyle. The Guthries probably lived on the Browns Rd area and they called it Glengyle.It seems that the Betrams followed the Guthries and, if I remember correctly used the same name before changing it to "Ellengowan". When Edward Wilson bought the homestead area, he retained the Glengyle name for a while before changing the name of his large portion to Arundel. "Turner's", the farm at the south end of McNabs Rd is a name associated with a lot on the Glengyle Estate by 1861. My journal HOW GLENGYLE BECAME ARUNDEL might provide further information.

I presume that your Michael Bourke was the publican at The Gap (Aitken's Gap) west of Sunbury. If I remember correctly,he may have been a grantee near roadmaker, Higgins, and the St Augustine's block in section 19, Parish of Doutta Galla, north of the road to Keilor. Google "doutta galla,county of bourke" to get the parish map online.


If your Michael Bourke was the pioneer at The Gap, I think you'll find some information in I.W.Symonds' BULLA BULLA, which is probably not available for loan,but your local library may be able to arrange an inter-library loan for a short period.

The following website might be handy too.
Keilor - Freepages - Ancestry.com
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pobjoyoneill/Keilor/&#8206;
Edited 5 May 2001, Baptism's Keilor St Augustine's Catholic Church, Keilor Submitted Marriages Edited 6 May 2001 ... Edited 7 May 2001, Keilor Cemetery

If your Michael was the pioneer at The Gap, I'd love you to post some information as a comment under my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA journal.

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