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Looking for any info on Richard PALMER

Query by Fabulushus

Hi, I am looking for any information on Richard PALMER who married Elizabeth TITLEY in Sydney Australia. They had around 6 or 7 children one of them being William McLure PALMER. William moved to New Zealand, became a whaler, married a few times and had lots of children, 2 of them being my great great grandmothers Kooe and Kuii. Would appreciate any information on Richard as I pretty much have sufficient info from William to me but not sure how to find out anything from Richard and beyond.

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on 2010-05-01 04:44:30

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by allycat on 2010-05-01 05:20:28

With a common and popular surname like PALMER it would pay to very carefully research this ancestor.

A browse of the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages online reveals a marriage in 1810 Richard PALMER and Elizabeth TETTEY or TETLEY in the St.Phillip's Church of England, Sydney NSW.

You may securely purchase their marriage certificate online for a small fee. Should give you more details, their parents names if you are lucky, witnesses may be relatives, occupation may be listed etc.

by allycat on 2010-05-01 05:32:09

You're in luck today! There are six family trees online at ]RootsWeb that have your ancestors. Richard PALMER born 1767 Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England and wife Elizabeth TITLEY born 1781 Clum, Shropshire, England.


by smallishbonnie on 2011-04-01 02:49:12

Searching the Palmer side of the family from India, and this is what I have so far for my fmaily tree which is not finished as yet. Because there is quite a lot of family members missing from it, this is what I have so far:

Do you have any family members who came from England, and went to India at the turn of the century. Because my late grandmother Ada louise Georgina Palmer married to Daniel Speechly and they had 3 children, daughter Irene Elizabeth Freda and twin son's Leslie James and Victor Albert. I have been told many times that my grand mother has a Pedigree on the Palmers side of the family and so do we on the Speechly side of the family.

Many Thanks

by Fabulushus on 2011-04-02 17:55:22

A far as I know both Elizabeth and Richard came from England, Richard from Hertfordshire and Elizabeth from Shropshire but thats all I know. I don't know who their parents were or any siblings?


by macbrown on 2011-04-19 07:52:41

I tonight found some information on www.geni.com/family-tree. My husband is a descendent of Elizabeth and Richard also, through William's brother, Edward or Edwin Palmer. I believe that both Elizabeth and Richard were convicts to Australia. Elizabeth arrived in 1800 on the Nile and I think Richard arrived on the Minorca in 1801. I am in the process of trying to discover their crimes. It seems they were married 25th March 1910 in the largest on-time Military marriage in Australia.

by marscus on 2011-04-28 00:27:31

Richard was grand larceny the old bailey feb 15th 1791, in london sentenced to 7 years and transportation. transported/arrived feb 14th 1792 ship Pitt I
Elizabeth was convicted march 18th 1800, Lent Assizers for stealing, and I read elswhere clothing, also sentaned seven years, and transported/arrived on dec 14th 1801 Ship Nile I

Search the old bailey all records are on line now :)
Also I look for their parents etc. the trail seems to vanish here :(

I have lots more infor on Richard, Elizabeth and the offspring if wanted please email me. Marc.

by marscus on 2011-04-30 07:10:32

@macbrown, could yuou offer more info on the "largest on-time Military marriage in Australia" sounds interesting. Marc.

by marscus on 2011-05-06 08:27:01

@macbrown, married in 1910 makes richard 110 years older than when he arrived australia, Im sure you mean 1810!!

by macbrown on 2011-05-08 21:10:01

Oops yes -that was a mistake -should read 1810. Also, should read one-time wedding!It was a group military wedding-noted in history.rootsweb.ancestry.com. I haven't requested marriage certificate yet but I have found more than 1 date for their wedding -23rd March 1810, 25th Match 1810 and also October 1810. Perhaps the the couple in the Military wedding is not them-it would have made Richard Palmer a soldier in Australia at some time, I guess? Other info that I have read cites Richard as arriving Australia in 1801. I have found an Old Bailey trial that fits this Richard Palmer. He was also transported for 7 years for theft and grand larceny in a Middlesex trial in 1798- ref no. t17980704-34. I have also seen the trial you have noted. Are you sure you have the right person/trial/convict ship/time? I am new to this family research obsession and haven't yet managed to find specific information about convicts-which I am sure is available somewhere! Would love to see any other information you may have.

by gypsy50 on 2011-05-25 06:22:38

Hi all I was a Titley from Tasmania, my ancestors also came from England. My Titley was a William Titley born 1817 circa, in Birmingham. Came to Tasmania, occupation a Miller and married in 1842 at Hobart. I remember many years ago, maybe 20 or so, when I first started my research, I received a part of a family tree from a person in New Zealand and it had Richard Palmer marrying Elizabeth Titley. I think I have discarded it now though, due to relocating several times.
Don't know if that is of any help.

by Southern_lass on 2011-07-13 08:29:08

by Southern_lass on 2011-07-13 08:34:33

I descend from their son William who married 3 times ............

by Fabulushus on 2011-07-13 09:32:56

Thanks so much for all this information. I too descend from William and his 2nd? wife Tiitii (they werent legally married but the equivalent these days would be a defacto marriage?

by Southern_lass on 2011-07-13 20:12:35

by Southern_lass on 2011-07-13 20:20:06

this information is copyrighted in an unpublished book ........ please do not use this information for gain .............

by Fabulushus on 2011-07-14 04:39:13

Wow you have done a lot of research! thanks again. The only gain for me is the knowledge

by Southern_lass on 2011-07-14 07:56:15

Titi and Haukawe were sisters. An interesting read is the Preservation Manslaughter trial. Edwin Palmer was also apparently known by Edward ........ remembering that when John Jones took over the preservation Inlet Whaling Station after its owner George Bunn died in 1834 William Palmers older brother Edwin Palmer went into partnership with Jones. He was known as Captain Palmer aka Captain Edward Palmer. I have a transcript of notes re a converstion between the writer, Edwin Palmer and William Palmer. The following link has information which is not correct regarding William ........ http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc04Cycl-t1-body1-d1-d1-d1.html............ Another link which you may find interesting is http://www.aupress.ca/books/120170/ebook/03_Angela_Wanhalla_2010-Invisible_Sight.pdf ........... Angela Wanhalla did alot of research for her thesis which alot of family helped her out with regarding information ............ Not much help with Richard but we need to keep the records accurate so there is no confusion ....... Good luck with your search for info on richard ......

by marscus on 2011-12-10 19:41:22

Southern Lass, this information has thrown a spanner in the works!! The information is contrary to information in the book, Taonga: a Palmer Family Whakapapa, by Gwenda Bowman.

The RIchard information describes a completely different person :) oh the fun of discovery.

I would love to read the unpublished book you refer to, please let us know what it is when published.

Now confusion has set in and Im unsure of all my finding LOL, genealogy is fun :)

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