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Looking for BALDWIN , Kilsyth/ Dandenong area in Victoria, Australia

Query by bararab

I know Joseph John BALDWIN and his wife Maria arrived in Port Phillip Bay in 1852 aboard the Gloriana. They had a daughter Charlotte and a son Henry with them. Eventually the family settled in the Kilsyth/ Croydon/ Dandenong area where the family expanded. I am finding Victorian records of births, deaths and marriages very hard to access from NZ where I am living. Any help filling the gaps between Joseph John and myself would be appreciated.

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on 2012-09-17 17:05:30

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by tonkin on 2012-09-18 20:19:31

Happy to help with Victorian BDM searches if you let me know what details you need.

by bararab on 2012-09-18 22:34:13

I know that Joseph, Maria, Charlotte and Henry were all born in the UK. I am wanting to know if they had siblings and who they were. There are a lot of repeated names in the family and I am having difficulty sorting the generations.I can track back to Harry Joseph and Dorothy Constance who were my grandparents but have a gap between them and Joseph John and Maria. I need names, dates etc so I can sort.I have Maria's death in 1911, which would have been in Vic.I know Joseph John was born 1825 (about). From my own memory I can recall great uncles Charles,B1892, William,B?, Leslie,B?, and great aunts Alice,B?, Lottie,B1881, and Clara B1883, so they would have been Harry Joseph's, B1890, siblings but can't get back to Joseph John. I have tried trawling through Trove and have filled some gaps, but Baldwin crops up as a locomotive, a runner,a racehorse and an English Prime Minister all around the same time frame so searches are often mind blowing. Anything you can find to help me fill this gap would be greatly appreciated. I will look forward to any help whatsoever.

by tonkin on 2012-09-19 01:48:40

Hi Bararab.

Here are two possible deaths for you.

Joseph John BALDWIN.
Died: 1903 Hawthorn, Victoria, aged 76 years.
Father: Joseph BALDWIN.
Mother: Elizabeth EDWARDS.
VDI Reg #5934.

Maria BALDWIN.
Died: 1911 Croydon, Victoria, aged 88 years.
Father: Robert ROBERTS.
Mother: Maria unknown.
VDI Reg #8577.

Remember ... informants ofter gave the wrong parents names and ages of the deceased
so look outside the square and allow for errors.

If you can confirm Maria's maiden name was ROBERTS I will searche the VBI for her children.

by bararab on 2012-09-19 02:22:18

Hi tonkin, You are amazing!! That looks like them, ages only slightly out from what I've been able to glean, but as you say it is only informants knowledge of deceased.
Confirm Maria's maiden name was ROBERTS- she was married before her marriage to Joseph, but her maiden name definitely ROBERTS. That also now confirms an English question that was holding things up.
At last some more to work on.
Thanks again for your help, I'm really getting totally engrossed in this.

by tonkin on 2012-09-19 02:55:42

Thanks bararab.

Some bad news for you.

Charlotte BALDWIN.
Born: circa 1849.
Died: 1881 Malvern, Victoria, aged 32 years.
Father: Joseph John BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria ROBERTS.
VDI #1893.

Was Maria's first marriage to a KELLET or KELLETT?

by tonkin on 2012-09-19 03:24:10

Possible marriage for Joseph and Maria's son Henry.
Note second given name of John.

Groom: Henry John BALDWIN.
Birth place: London.

Bride: Clara Leonora KENT.
Born: Richmond, Victoria.

Married: 1881 in Victoria.

VMI #4381.


Clara's birth details.

Clara Leonora KENT.
Born: 1861 Richmond, Victoria.
Father: Samuel KENT.
Mother: Leonora TURNER.

VBI #19249.

by tonkin on 2012-09-19 04:00:01

Another son for Joseph and Maria.

William James BALDWIN.
Born: 1864 Sandridge, Victoria.
Father: Joseph John BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria ROBERTS.

VBI #18127.

And a marriage.

Groom: William James BALDWIN.
Birth place: Port Melbourne, Victoria.

Bride: Selina KNIGHT.
Birth place: Prahran, Victoria.

Married: 1886 in Victoria.

VMI #364.

Note. Sandridge was the earlier name for Port Melbourne.

by bararab on 2012-09-19 04:34:29

Thank you, thank you, thank you! How can you do it all so quickly with the limited amount of information I've been able to supply?
To answer first query- yes Maria ROBERTS became Maria Kellett/Kellitt (sp. varies) before she married Joseph.
Thanks for the additional notes as well- I am paying attention to them.
I hope you can find more bits of this jigsaw for me, things are fitting together nicely.It is getting towards bed time over here in NZ, for me at least as I am an early riser, so I will say good night for now and will check again tomorrow.

by tonkin on 2012-09-19 05:58:44

Two daughters located for Joseph and Maria.

Note mother's maiden name of KELLET and KELLETT.

I had an idea this was the same Maria but wanted to confirm the
KELLET and KELLETT surname first.


Birth & Marriage.

Elizabeth Mary BALDWIN.
Born: 1855 Sandridge, Victoria.
Father: Joseph John BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria KELLETT.
VBI #7032.

Possible marriage for Elizabeth.

Groom: Robert AITKEN.
Birth place: Glasgow.

Bride: Elizabeth Mary BALDWIN.
Birth place: Sandridge, Victoria.

Married: 1877 in Victoria.
VMI #4705.


Birth & Death.

Alice Jane BALDWIN.
Born: 1859 Emerald Hill, Victoria.
Father: Joseph John BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria KELLET.
VBI #17297.

Alice BALDWIN.
Died: 1886 in Victoria, aged 26 years. Death place not recorded
Father: Joseph John BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria ROBERTS.
VDI #9754.

Note. Emerald Hill was the earlier name for South Melbourne.

It looks like Joseph and Maria only had three children after coming to Australia. But it is possible they had a few more and the births were never registered.

That's all I had time to do today ... but tomorrow is another day.

by tonkin on 2012-09-21 00:58:05

These three deaths may be of interest to you.

William James BALDWIN.
Died: 1936 Blackburn, Victoria, aged 72 years.
Father: Joseph Henry BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria ROBERT.
VDI #19014.

Henry John BALDWIN.
Died: 1926 Croydon, Victoria, aged 74 years.
Father: Joseph BALDWIN.
Mother: unknown.
VDI #9439.

Elizabeth Mary AITKEN.
Died: 1880 Victoria, aged 25 years.
Birth place: Sandridge, Victoria.
Father: Joseph BALDWIN.
Mother: Maria Kellett ROBEERTS.
VDI #11417.

Note. This appears to be the same Elizabeth Mary BALDWIN married to Robert AITKEN in 1877. Unable to locate any children for this marriage.

by bararab on 2012-09-21 02:53:08

Once again my thanks.I have been busy drawing up a timeline to get this information into perspective in my own mind - the picture is becoming clearer.Can I ask a little more of you?
That has filled in many of the blanks I have had and now I need to find any children of the following marriages, in essence the next generation.
Henry John & Clara Leonora KENT m 1871, William James & Selina Knight m 1886
From what I can gather the female Baldwins died fairly young, Elizabeth appears to be the only one who married, and she was evidently not a well person and died childless.Charlotte and Alice don't appear to have married at all.
My apologies for being so long-winded but this is so engrossing I just have to share my excitement with you.My family are turning into real people!

by tonkin on 2012-09-21 03:11:30

There are no fast trains to catch bararab.

I have located seven children for Henry BALDWIN and Clara KENT. Just need to sort out my notes collected over the past few days before coming back to you.

by tonkin on 2012-09-21 18:38:17

I have only searched the Victorian births to date and unable to locate any children for William James BALDWIN and Selina KNIGHT. Will search the other states during the day.

This appears to be the birth and death for Selina.

Birth.

Celina KNIGHT.
Born: 1862 Prahran, Victoria.
Father: Thomas KNIGHT.
Mother: Bridget MURPHY.
VBI #16830.

Note. Birth recorded as Celina. Marriage and death records give it as Selina.

Death.

Selina BALDWIN.
Died: 1913 Box Hill, Victoria, aged 50 years.
Father: Thomas KNIGHT.
Mother: Mary MURPHY.
VDI #4489.

Note. Mother's given name of Mary is wrong, but I'm certain this will be the same Selina.

by tonkin on 2012-09-21 18:44:28

Forgot to mention I have poster the family record for Henry BALDWIN and Clara KENT for you. If I find any more details I will include them in this journal.

by Nandie on 2013-07-14 01:16:02

According to my records Joseph John Baldwin married Maria Kellett nee Roberts in St Mary's Huggerston, Middlesex, England. Maria's parents were Robert Roberts, blacksmith and mother Maria (maiden name unknown). Maria married a George Kellett and they had a daughter Charlotte (Lottie) Kellett. After the death of George, Maria married Joseph Baldwin. Joseph and Maria with Charlotte aged 3 and Henry John 3 months old left England on the "Gloriana in 1852. Joseph set up a butcher shop in Bay Street, Sandridge now Port Melbourne after their arrival in 1853. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Mary was born in 1855 in Sandridge Alice Jane born 1859 died 31 August 1886 and William James born 1864 William married twice but did not have any children. First wife Selina (Lena) Knight died 1913 second wife Mary Juanita (Nita) Hawke adopted a baby girl - Dorothy Baldwin who married becoming Dorothy Axsentieff.

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