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Looking for Champions of Cornwall circa 1870s

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I'm seeking any info on the three Champion brothers John, Isaac & William who were tin miners and lived in the St Ives area of Cornwall. In 1875? they all came to Melbourne aboard the 'SS Great Britain'.
I've lost track of John & Isaac. Anybody have connections ?
William married Adelaide Nankervis in 1875? & they had two children,
(Ethel)& Albert who subsequently married Helena Watson & they became my g/grandparents.
Albert & Helena passed away in 1945/1944 respectively, after producing three sons - Norman,
Harold & Reginald. Norman & Reg had no children and I am the only son of Harold.
I have two siblings, Barbara & Diane.
I have sired Paul (1969), Lisa (1972) & Greg (1975)
Paul sired William (2000) & Emily (2002),
Lisa married Jarrod Kennedy in 2000 & bore Jack (2001), Ben (2003), Charlie (2005) & Alex (2012)
Greg sired Dusty (2006) & Maple (2008)

I do have some detail of our convict origins out of the Gangell's of Tasmania - all on Helena Watson's side of the tree & going back to 1770's The picture is of the Memorial - on Constitution Dock - to
the first settlers of Tassy who arrived aboard the sailing ship 'Ocean' in 1804

Surnames: BASS CHAMPION GANGELL NANKERVIS WATSON
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on 2012-11-22 22:03:03

Champs , from Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Nov 2012.

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by SilverVixen on 2012-11-23 05:10:04

I have them I think in the UK 1871 census parents Andrew & Ann M, sons Isaac, Andrew & William C. Is that the sort of information you are looking for? If so let me know and I will put up the details

by Champs on 2012-11-23 16:43:26

Tnx for your response. I'm led to believe their father was named Isaac & he died
in a mining accident in the Wheal Speed mine in the early 1870s. The three sons subsequently departed for Oz.
However, your info seems 'close' so would be interested to review it. One has to look at the variables to collaborate the true facts.

I'm a little bit limited at present as the PC with all my files has had a sw failure
& is in for repair.!!
Tnx SV

by SilverVixen on 2012-11-25 10:44:34

An Isaac Champion aged 53 sailed on the RUNIC 6 July 1905 to Melbourne, he was a married Male contractor

using this information mad his dob about 1852 so did a search and came up with this: Living at 1861 UK census Chyangweal, Uny Lelant Cornwall

Champion, Elizabeth, widow, 49 (1812) born Lelant
Alice, daughter, 16 (1845) Tin Framer, Lelant
Martha, daughter, 12 (1849) Tin Framer, Lelant
William, son, 11 (1850) Tin Miner, Lelant
Isaac, son, 9 (1852) Tin Miner, Lelant
Betsey, daughter, 7 (1854) scholar, Lelant



Tracing Elizabeth back to 1851 UK census living at same address
Champion Isaac, head, 35 (1816) Tin Miner born Lelant
Elizabeth as above
Mary Hannah, daughter, 12 (1839) Lelant
John Trevorrow, son, 11 (1840) Lelant
Alice Banfield, as above
Martha Jane, as above
William, as above

Isaac Champion married Elizabeth Trevorrow, Penzance, Cornwall, 1838 Q3 9 230

An Isaac Penberthy Champion married Mary Jane Griffin, Penzance, Cornwall, 1877 Q4 5C 425

Isaac Penberthy Champion was born 1852 Penzance Cornwall, Q1 5C 324

John Trevorrow Champion was born 1840 Penzance, Cornwall, Q2 9 220

I have an Isaac Champion baptised St Ives Cornwall, 10 July 1814 Parents William & Hannah

by SilverVixen on 2012-11-25 14:16:23

Isaac Champion died 1857 Penzance, Cornwall, Q2 5C 195

by Champs on 2012-11-29 22:16:19

Tnx, PC now repaired. I've collated your interesting info into a chart - see above.
It looks to be relevant albeit I'm confused by the fact I have a photo supposedly of William, John & Isaac taken in Geelong around the early 1900s.
I searched the Cornwall Census records from 1861 & found John no longer registered in the 1871 & 81 census. No luck with passenger records to Aust. Similarly after Isaac's marriage to M J Griffin in 1877, although registered in 1871 Census there is no further Census records of them. A Mary Jane Griffin of Penzance died 1879. Same? (also a Samuel John Champion born 1878...a connection?)

William's obituary in 1929 indicated that Isaac was present at the funeral.
So...still a bit lost on both John & Isaac life's journey. Can anyone help further please?

by tonkin on 2012-11-30 01:52:37

Greetings Champs.

A few details for you.

William CHAMPION.
Died: 1929 Newtown, Victoria, aged 79 years.
Father: Isaac CHAMPION.
Mother: Elizabeth TREVERON.

John Treverois CHAMPION.
Died: 1911 Geelong, Victoria, aged 69 years.
Father: Isaac CHAMPION.
Mother: Elizabeth TREVEROIS.

I expect these will be the deaths for your William & John CHAMPION.
It appears to me TREVERON and TREVEROIS will be a spelling error of TREVORROW.

The marriage mention by SilverVixen for Isaac Penberthy CHAMPION and Mary Jane GRIFFIN in Cornwall in 1877 does not appear to be your Isaac CHAMPION.

This Isaac and Mary came to Australia after they were married and had Eight children in Victoria.

This Isaac died in Geelong, Victoria, in 1929, aged 77 years.
His parents were named as Penberthy CHAMPION and unknown OLIVER.
This Isaac would have been born circa 1852.
The age is correct, but not the parents.

Keep in mind informants often gave the wrong parents names.

I will have another look for Isaac's death later, and will keep you posted.

Hope this helps for now.

Cheers.

by asheppard on 2012-11-30 21:53:02

Marriage for Isaac Champion & Elizabeth Trevorrow

More information about record 847185 in the Marriages database
Day Month 29-Sep
Year 1838
Parish Or Reg District Ives, St.
Groom Fn Isaac
Groom Sn CHAMPION
Groom Age of full ag
Groom Residence St Ives
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession miner
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name William
Groom Father Rank Profession miner
Bride Fn Elizabeth
Bride Sn TREVORROW
Bride Age of full ag
Bride Residence St Ives
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name John
Bride Father Rank Profession miner
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Mary Anne
Witness Sn1 Bryant (mark)
Witness Fn2 Thomas
Witness Sn2 Williams
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Karen Duvall

This looks like Isaac's baptism,
More information about record 89167 in the Baptisms Nc database
Baptism Circuit Ives, St &c W-M chapels
Forename Isaac Penberthy
Surname CHAMPION
Sex
Father Forename Isaac
Mother Forename Elizabeth
Residence Carbis Water
Parish Or Reg District
Father Rank Profession
Day Month 25-Mar
Year 1852
Age Born Jan 23 1852
Where Baptised
Register Notes JMollard
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Ian J Trewhella


Ir does state his father as Isaac occupation miner so perhaps this is the same Isaac and he was married and came out with the brothers and his wife followed later. The death record parents names on 1929 could be a guess, it looks like it is the right Isaac.

Baptisms listed for other children of Isaac Champion & Elizabeth Trevorrow, Isaacs occupation on all as Miner
1839 Lelant Mary Anna CHAMPION Isaac Elizabeth
1840 Lelant John Trevorrow CHAMPION Isaac Elizabeth
1842 Ives, St. Elizabeth Jane CHAMPION Isaac Elizabeth
1844 Lelant Alice Bamfield CHAMPION Isaac Elizabeth
1848 Lelant Martha Jane CHAMPION Isaac Elizabeth
1850 Lelant William CHAMPION Isaac Elizabeth
1863 Ives, St. Elizabeth Ann Penberthy CHAMPION Isaac PENBERTHY Elizabeth CHAMPION


The marriage for Isaac Penberthy Champion to Mary Jane Griffin
More information about record 784055 in the Marriages database
Day Month 18-Nov
Year 1877
Parish Or Reg District Lelant
Groom Fn Isaac Penberthy
Groom Sn CHAMPION
Groom Age 25
Groom Residence ? Wheal, Lelant
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name Isaac Champion
Groom Father Rank Profession Miner
Bride Fn Mary Jane
Bride Sn GRIFFIN
Bride Age 24
Bride Residence Trenoweth, Lelant
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name Matthew Griffin
Bride Father Rank Profession Farmer
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 John
Witness Sn1 COCK
Witness Fn2 John
Witness Sn2 LEACHER
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber C. Uphill


The Isaac Champion who married Elizabeth Trevorrow could possibly be the son of William Champion & Hannah Penberthy, hence the middle name.

William Champion & Hannah Penberthy married 23 Apr 1810 Lelant, William was a miner, son Isaac baptised 10 July 1814 St. Ives


The 1851 & 1861 Census that SilverVixen listed above both tie in to the Isaac & Elizabeth (nee Trevorrow) Champion family, "Betsy" on 1861 would be Elizabeth Ann

In 1871 Census
Elisabeth Champion,58 Widow
Isaac Champion 19 tin miner
living at 11 Chyangweal Lelant


it looks like there are quite a few Champion's buried in the Geelong cemetery, Mary Jane died 20 Nov 1917 in the same grave as Isaac, so it looks like the informant for Isaac's death 1929 put what they thought was correct for the parents.

by tonkin on 2012-11-30 21:58:47

I have poster three journals that may assist you with your CHAMPION research.

CHAMPION Isaac married Mary GRIFFIN 1877.

CHAMPION John married Elizabeth JAMES 1886.

CHAMPION William married Adelaide NANKERVIS 1875.

I'm still not sure about this Isaac CHAMPION that died in Geelong in 1929. I have a feeling it may be your Isaac, but need to find another record to confirm the names of his wife and children.

I have not had time for Cemetery and newspaper searches to date.

Cheers.

by asheppard on 2012-11-30 22:10:20

It looks like Isaac Champion the father died before 1877 as Elizabeth was a widow in 1861 Census and I found this

his death
Deaths Jun 1857 (>99%)
Champion Isaac Penzance 5c 195

and his burial
More information about record 959293 in the Burials database
Day Month 18-Apr
Year 1857
Parish Or Reg District Lelant
Forename Isaac
Surname CHAMPION
Age 42
Residence Chyanqwail
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Bonnie Rashleigh

by Champs on 2012-12-03 01:24:16

Lots of good stuff coming in - thanks.
I'm still digesting it all. While I'm here...I found a Marriage record of Robert Bass (born`1807) who married Mary Gangell (1821-1904) in Tassie on 24/8/1835. I've found their daughter Sarah Ann (presumably?) born 1854 & I've found a marriage record of Sarah & Bill Watson (born 1839). I'm on thin ice here, but family 'folklore' has it they had a daughter Helena - for whom I can find no record - and she married Albert Champion (son of Wlliam and subject of the discussion above) I'm led to believe this is fact - but I can't locate any evidence in Victorian BDM records. I'm yet to be a paid up member of any research group as I'm not sure where the better/best source is?? Can anyone clarify the above links & offer an unbiased opinion on which is the more relevant Genealogical Group?

by Champs on 2012-12-03 04:45:27

Further to my previous...I've uploaded part of my Tree pertaining to my entry 3/12/12 01:24 above. Hopefully it will clarify the text.

by tonkin on 2012-12-03 17:16:58

Hi Champs.

Birth and Marriage details for Helena WATSON appear in one of the three journals I posted for you as mentioned above. You may not have found them.

See CHAMPION William married Adelaide NANKERVIS 1875.

Helena's birth.

Helena WATSON.
Born: 1880 Carngham, Victoria.
Father: William WATSON.
Mother: Sarah Ann BASS.
Source: VBI #1194.

Albert and Helena's marriage.

Groom: Albert Ernest CHAMPION.
Bride: Helna (Helena) WATSON.
Year married: 1911.
Place: Victoria.
Source: VMI #4755.

Note. VMI recorded Helena as Helna.
The records are full spelling errors and this is why so many people hit brick walls
when trying to locate certain events.

by Champs on 2012-12-04 16:48:27

Tnx Tonkin - well spotted! That explains a lot & fills a gap in my 'tree'.
No,I didn't see the relevant journals. I don't know what VMI are or how to access them. Can you point me in the right direction pse? Most sites where I do find a 'match', then say "subscribe to see it". At this point, I'm unsure which site is suitable for what is currently a one-off exercise. Longer term research depends upon further interest from g/children. Work in progress.

by tonkin on 2012-12-04 18:23:40

The Victorian BDMs (Births, Deaths and Marriages) are available online, but they are not free and you have to pay to use them. Most of my record searches are done at the library where it's free. I also get to meet other people interested in family research while I'm there.

VBI: Victorian Birth Index.
VDI: Victorian death Index.
VMI: Victorian Marriage Index.

To find journals here just enter the surname in the search box in the right hand corner at top of page and hit search. Or you can click on my name and go to my home page and use my index for all my posted journals. It's easy to use.

by Champs on 2013-01-12 21:42:40

Hi Tonkin,
I boldly ventured into YOUR Journal & found the good works re Champions
by yourself & Silverfox.
Well done, tnx to both...it filled some significant gaps.

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