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Looking for Charles George Brookes of Auckland NZ perhaps in the early 1900's

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on 2010-11-19 21:48:53

mwinifred has been a Family Tree Circles member since Nov 2010. is researching the following names: BROOKES.

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by ngairedith on 2010-11-20 08:47:27

hello mwinifred,
This may (or may not) be the Charles & Mary Brookes you are looking for and. unfortunately, this is all I could find out about them at this time

Charles and Mary were born in NZ but cannot find their parents - that would help to trace info ...

Also check the information on Freda ??

If you have anything further to add it would help to trace them:

Charles George BROOKES was born in 1869 in New Zealand
- parents unknown at this time

Mary Elizabeth McDONALD was born in 1871 in New Zealand
- parents unknown at this time

Charles and Mary married on Xmas Eve 1890

- they had 3 daughters:
1891 - Hilda Brookes
- Hilda died, unmarried, on 5 November 1951 aged 60
- she is buried in Plot 075 - Block A - Row 17 at Purewa Cemetery, Auckland with Freda & Edna

1893 - Freda Brookes
- an article in the NZ TRUTH on 24 Oct 1929 read: Having absorbed all the joys that the fertile plains of Taranaki had to offer her, Freda Brookes has right-about-turned to her home town again. Auckland isn't such a bad place after all and then comes summer with sunshine on the beaches as an offering
- Freda died, unmarried, on 10 March 1970 aged 86
- she is buried Plot 075 - Block A - Row 17 at Purewa Cemetery, Aucckland with Hilda & Edna
- (the dates here do not add up. To be 86 Freda woud have had to have been born in 1883 not 1893 (or she was 96 not 86) but she is buried in the same plot as Hilda and Edna and next to their parents Charles & Mary ??)

1898 - Edna Brookes
- Edna died, unmarried on 17 November 1918 (Flu Pandemic ?) aged 20
- she is buried Plot 075 - Block A - Row 17 at Purewa Cemetery, Auckland with Hilda & Freda

Charles was an Auctioneer in Auckland

Mary Elizabeth died on 12 May 1945 aged 74
- she is buried in Plot 076 - Block A - Row 17 at Purewa Cemetery, Auckland with Charles

Charles George died on 21 August 1951 aged 82
- he is buried in Plot 076 - Block A - Row 17 at Purewa Cemetery, Auckland with Mary

by mwinifred on 2010-11-20 20:07:11

Thank you ngairedith for your response

I was formerly Mary Oatridge and my great grandmother on my father's side, was Ann Brookes. I have had no contact with the Brookes family nor have I heard of their existence but thanks to you I now know why. I am sure that Charles George Brookes is of my family as you mentioned that he was an auctioneer in Auckland and I have his obituary presumably from the NZ Herald which includes his photo. I also have other connecting information on his ancestry. This is what I have got. It is his relative, Anne Oatridge nee Brookes, that is my great grandmother.

Ann Brookes m. Nigel Oatridge in 1859 in Birmingham, England, at St Johns church. Ann was a french polisher and Nigel was a cabinetmaker. Ann and Nigel had two boys in Birmingham, Nigel Howell and Francis James (my grandfather) This Oatridge family travelled to NZ in 1864 on the "Golden Queen" Also on board travelling with them was Anne's brother Charles Brookes and his wife Elizabeth and their daughter Polly. Charles Brookes, senior, must be Charles George Brookes' father. Charles, junior, was born in Auckland. I do not know of any other children of Charles Brookes, senior. So Charles George Brookes and Polly are brother and sister.

Ann (Brookes) and Nigel Oatridge's children are:

Nigel Howell Oatridge b. in Birmingham 1859. He was killed in a mining accident in Thames at 18 years old, in 1877.
Francis James b. in Birmingham 1860 - is my grandfather
Wave George b. on the Golden Queen 1864 d. at 3 years old in Auckland
Eva Nellie (known as Nellie) b. in Auckland 1866
Annie Elizabeth (known as Auntie Oat) b. in Auckland 1868
Sarah Charlote b. in Thames 1870 d. at 6 months old.

Nigel Oatridge (Anne's husband) d. (date ? ) at Thames
Ann Oatridge nee Brookes m. John Pollock in 1872 at Thames. John Pollock and Ann had Jessie Pollock who was born to them in Thames in 1873. John shifted Ann and the family to Gisborne. Jessie was the only child of John and Ann Pollock. John was stepfather to Ann's four children (two had died) Jessie did not marry.

Charles George Brookes (Ann (Brookes/Oatridge/Pollock's brother, b. Auckland and educated at Auckland Grammar School. He lived in Ladies Mile Remuera. He was an auctioneer for Alfred Buckland and Sons and a director of that company. In early Auckland's history he conducted horse sales at the Haymarket in Albert Street. His wife Mary Elizabeth Brookes nee McDonald must have died in 1945. At the time of his death in August 1951 he was survived by 2 daughters. (This information is from his obituary)

The Brookes family geneology:

George Brookes m. Sarah Wells, Ichnield Street, Birmingham. Their son was Charles Brookes.
Charles Brookes wife was Elizabeth.
Charles and Elizabeth Brookes had a daughter, Polly who came to NZ on the "Golden Queen". Charles George Brookes must have been born to them in Auckland
Charles George Brookes (son of Charles and Elizabeth) m. Mary Elizabeth McDonald in 1890. They had 3 daughters - none married.


ngairedith, I do thank you for your information. I am quite sure that the Charles George Brookes details are from my family. I have been piecing bits of information together but I may be wrong. Families get tangled easily. These details of the Brookes family is all contained in my Oatridge files.

I would love to know of your interest in the Brookes ancestry.

Thanks once again.

Mary Boyle nee Oatridge

by ngairedith on 2010-11-21 06:23:42

Hi Mary,
Nigel Oatridge (Anne's husband) was born about April 1836 in Aylburton, a village and civil parish in the Forest of Dean district of Gloucestershire

- He married Ann Brookes on 12 October 1857 in a double wedding in Birmingham with his sister Emma Oatridge (who married James Tilly LEGG)

Nigel & Ann had:
- Nigel Howell Oatridge in December 1858 in Birmingham
- Your grandfather Francis James Oatridge (born in July 1860) was an infant when Nigel was sentenced to 6 months hard labour at Gloucester Gaol for stealing. Nigel was released 2 weeks before your grandfather's 1st birthday

Nigel was reported as building the Anchor Hotel in Owen St, Thames (then named Grahamstown) in 1868

- Nigel died on the 26 January 1870 at Grahamstown, (Thames), New Zealand aged 33

John Pollock & Anne Oatridge (with William Twobey) had the "Twobey & Co" Hotel in Thames in September 1870 when they declared bankruptcy

John Pollock & Anne Oatridge married on 4th January 1873

My interest in the Brookes ancestry was because of your initial inquiry above ...

by mwinifred on 2010-11-21 22:05:38

Hello ngairedith

Thank you once again for your information. You have helped me build a family picture. I have wondered why my family (Oatridges) had nothing to do with the Brookes in spite of the relationship. Your details of Nigel Oatridges' stealing and incarceration, explain why that family emigrated to NZ in the first place. It also explains why my family were not in the family "loop" with the Brookes. My mother was from a business family in early Auckland when the business people all knew each other. Her father was Hector Clark of Clark and Purdy the boot and shoe manufacturers of Nelson Street and T Clark Shoes of Queen Street is her Uncle Tom. I can well understand the Brookes' reticence of any contact as my mother was married to Gilbert Oatridge (son of Francis James Oatridge). The rules of social and business engagement of those days was very strict indeed and people were judged as undesirable if family members were outside "the Pale".

I was intrigued to learn of the double wedding of Nigel and Emma Oatridge in Birmingham. Details like this bring the family alive. I am most gratified too for your information on the building of the Anchor Hotel in Thames. The Oatridge family understood that Nigel owned that hotel but you have made it clear that he built it - as a tradesman. I did not know about John Pollock and Ann Oatridge and their bankruptcy over the Twobey & Company hotel. This would not have been well received by the Brookes in Auckland so I have been able to appreciate the Brookes' position.

Nigel Oatridge died very young at 33 years. He is buried in Auckland's Symonds Street cemetery but I haven't seen it. That is so young for his passing. I have a letter of his daughter's, Nellie, who describes Migel's state of mind after the accidental death of his son, Nigel, in the mine at Thames. His daughter, Sarah is also buried in Symonds Street cemetery. I don't know where Wave is buried - his son that was born on the Golden Queen and died at 3 years old in Auckland.

Regards

Mary (Oatridge)

by ngairedith on 2010-11-22 05:50:03

Hello Mary,

Nigel's son Wave Oatridge was also buried in Symonds Street cemetery, on 30 May 1867 - (back then it was named the Grafton Cemetery)

BUT in reply to your above comment that ... I have a letter of his daughter's, Nellie, who describes Nigel's state of mind after the accidental death of his son, Nigel, in the mine at Thames ...

Nigel Oatridge snrdied in January 1870 in Thames
- His funeral proceeded from the Shortland Wharf in Queen St, Thames to Auckland on the "Duke of Edinburgh" steamer

Nigel's son, Nigel Howell Oatridge, was accidentally killed by falling rocks during a terrific storm around Karaka Mines, when he tried to turn off the flume and thereby cut off the flood waters, at the Perup battery
- He died in February 1877 - 7 years AFTER his father died

by mwinifred on 2010-11-22 13:50:40

ngairedith, thank you for those dates of the death of both Nigel Oatridge. I have copies of some birth, death and marriage certificates but not all of them and you have filled in the gaps. The fact that Nigel Howell died after his father gives an accurate position from what my Oatridge family believe. I am so glad to be able to correct that part of the family story.

by mwinifred on 2010-11-25 22:42:49

Hello ngairedith

I have been searching through my Oatridge material and I found these entries in my grandfather's papers. The family kept birthday books and in it he has recorded:

June 20 Daisy Brookes 1891
August 24 Vivienne S Brookes (no birth year given)

Do you know who these women were? Was this their maiden name or were these their married name? Did Charles George Brookes have any brothers? These women must be related to my grandfather, Francis James Oatridge or why would they be entered in his birthday book? His mother was Anne Brookes.

If you use the O*T*RIDGE One-Name Genealogy Project, by Project Coordinator Brian Otridge of Huntingdon in England, the dates given for my father, Gilbert Oatridge's offspring are all wrong. And too my brother Allan Oatridge m. Gay Scott and they had a son, Murray. Allan was killed aged 23 in a motor accident and later, Jim Oatridge Allan's cousin, m. Gay (Scott) Oatridge, Allan's wife. Jim and Gay Oatridge had no children, so the entry is all wrong.

by ngairedith on 2010-11-26 05:47:04

Hi Mary,
Daisy & Vivian Stuart Brookes were the daughters of:
Herbert William BROOKES (1865-1954) & Emma Helen/Ellen CARTER (1867-1951) who married in New Zealand on 20th January 1888

Herbert was a Printer in Auckland

- Ellen died on 11 April 1951 and is buried at Waikumete Cemetery in PRESBYTERIAN DIVISION D Row 24, Plot 34

- Herbert died on 15 April 1954 aged 89 and his ashes were scattered

- their children were:

2-4-1888 Edith Darlow Brookes
- Edith married James Stanley MILLER (1886-1970) in 1913
- Edith died in 1980 aged 92
- James was an Engineer. He died on 26 Nov 1970 and his ashes were scattered at Waikumete
- do not know where Edith is buried

24-8-1889 Vivian Stuart Brookes
- although the spelling is unusual, Vivian was a daughter
- she never married
- she died on 11th September 1932 aged 43 and is buried in WESLEY DIVISION C Row 7, Plot 15 at Waikumete Cemetery Auckland

20-6-1891 Daisy Brookes
- Daisy married Leslie Gipson BLACKIE (1888-1942) in 1912
- Leslie was a Dental Assistant in Te Puke in the early 1900s
- he was buried on 25 June 1942 in NONCONFORMIST DIVISION C Row 6, Plot 51 of Waikumete cemetery
- Daisy may have remarried

6-1-1894 Allan James Brookes
- Allan served in WWI with the Field Artillery Auckland 7th Reinforcements at the age of 21 (1915)
- he was living with his parents when he enlisted, at Western Springs Rd, Morningside, Auckland
- Alan/Allan married Jane WESTON in 1921
- he died in 1987 aged 93

13-8-1895 Olive May Brookes
- Olive died in 1899 aged 3

10-7-1897 Lawrence/Laurence Charles Brookes
- Laurence was a Farrier
- he served in WWI with the NZEF 38th Reinforcements New Zealand Field Artillery as Gunner #65940 at the age of 21
- his parents were living at Western Springs Rd, Morningside, Auckland when he embarked on 2 May 1918

5-2-1908 Selwyn Alexander Brookes
- nothing known about Selwyn at this time
- he died in Auckland on 3rd December 1967 aged 59 and his ashes were scattered

Not verified yet but I would venture to say that Charles George Brookes (1869-1951) and Herbert William Brookes (1865-1954) were brothers (born in Auckland)

by mwinifred on 2010-12-16 17:47:20

Hello again ngairedith.

I have had a great time using your information on Ann Brookes/Oatridge/Pollock. I have re-read your earlier comments and you desired more information about Ann Brookes' parents. I have not got much but this is what I have found from various sources, the main source being a copy of Ann Brookes' and Nigel Oatridge's marriage certificate:

Ann Brookes was born on 17/9/1873. The Brookes family resided in Icknield Street, Birmingham, England, the same street as Nigel Oatridges' family. However I did not find out whether Ann was born in that street.
Ann's father was George Brookes, a warehouseman in Birmingham.
Ann's mother was Sarah (this spelling taken from Ann's marriage certificate) Brookes nee Wells.
Ann and Nigel were both 23 years old when they married.
Nigel Oatridge and Ann Brookes were married on 12 October 1857 (not 1859 as in another source) Nigel's father was Raymond Oatidge, a clothier. (I think that Nigel's grandmother was a Howell and that is where the name Nigel Howell Oatridge came from i.e Ann and Nigel's son, but i have no documentation confirming this. It was the practice in those days to name a child with the mother's surname so that her line was perpetuated.)

As a result of your information, I have identified a photo as a group of four generations starting from Ann Brookes/Oatridge/Pollock. I did not know who the people were so I am really grateful to you. Not much is known of Ann within my family history but now I am satisfied.

I hope that you have a wonderful Christmas and my thanks to you once again.

Mary Boyle

by dovecote on 2012-02-18 22:28:36

Hello Mary,
I have recently joined Family Circles and have read with interest the above correspondence between Ngaire and yourself. I am a grandaughter of Herbert William Brookes who was a brother of Charles George Brookes. Although I have been researching the Brookes family and held a Family reunion in 1985 I knew nothing of the Oatridge relationship until bout four years ago. Charles and Eliza Brookes travelled on the "GOLDEN CITY" with Ann and Nigel Oatridge but the passenger list gives the Oatridge name as PARTRIDGE. I would very much like to contact you and hope this message reaches you.

Ruth Walters, dau.of Edith Brookes who was the eldest daughter of Herbert Brookes.

by mwinifred on 2012-02-19 00:21:44

Dear Ruth

What a great surprise to hear from my search for Charles George Brookes. I am Mary Boyle nee Oatridge. I knew that I had relatives on the Brookes side of the family but my Oatridge side of the family never mentioned them. I found an obituary of Charles Brookes in a newspaper cutting in one of the many documents I have of the Oatridge family. I suspect that the reason you have not heard of us, is that Nigel and Ann Oatridge came to NZ because Migel had committed a burlary in England and was gaoled with 6 months hard labour. I am sure they came here to make a new start, which they did. My grandfather, Francis James Oatridge was their son. I have a lovely photo of Ann, his mother and I would love to share what I have got with you.

I live in Hamilton at 9 Plover Court, Rototuna, Hamilton, 3210 and my phone number is 07 855 8455. My email address: [email protected]

I would love to meet with you some time and I have other members of my family who would be just wrapped to hear about you. My brother Des Oatridge lives in Palm Beach, in Australia, my older sister Dorothy Kitchingman lives in Christchurch and so does my younger sister, Cherry Shorter. As you can imagine both those sisters have earthquake stories to tell. My youngest sister, Jean Wakeman lives in Katoomba in Australia. We are all either 80 years old or close to it.

Thank you for your contact through Family Circles.

Mary Boyle nee Oatridge

by carolyn8 on 2014-01-08 22:37:34

I am the great Granddaughter of Herbert William Brookes Granddaughter of Cecil Brookes very interested to read all of this. It is good to know our roots. Ruth my mothers cousin has done lots of research. Unfortunately in moving I lost my copy of Ruth's family tree.

by mwinifred on 2014-01-09 03:20:47

Hello Carolyn8. This is good to hear from you. I have since met Ruth Walters and we share what material we have. What a shame that you lost your family history. Ruth told me about Herbert William Brookes and she has given me photos of that Brookes family. My connection to you is through Ann Brookes/Oatridge/Pollock who was my greatgrandmother. She had a hard life having lost three of her children and her husband, Nigel Oatridge.My email address is [email protected] if you would like to have further details.

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