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Looking for family history my father Gordon Henry Burns born 1888,Edenhope Victoria area

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on 2013-01-07 04:26:09

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by noggin on 2013-01-07 06:44:28
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by Gambier on 2013-01-07 18:56:27

Yes !! My grandfather Henry was killed off horse near Harrow Victoria when my Dad Gordon was about 5 years old. This is from my memory (? ). Would appreciate anyone can confirm & or add my to this strand.

by tonkin on 2013-01-07 19:32:41

This will confirm Henry's death for you.

Name: Henry BURNS.
Died: Harrow, Victoria.
Age: 31 years.
Father: Henry William BURNS.
Mother: Helen MAY.
Ref: Victorian Death Index #2500.

Cause of Death: Fall off Horse.
Ref: Victorian Death Inquest #408.

by janilye on 2013-01-07 22:23:16

Please double check the following information, I could be out a year or two;
Father: Henry William Burns born Edenhope in 1857 died 1889 at Harrow when he fell from horse his wife Jane SHAW born 1860 in Hotspur, Victoria and died at Edenhope in 1948. Jane was the daughter of William SHAW 1812-1885 fron Tipperary and Mary JORDAN 1820-1885 Both died at Harrow. Henry William and Jane had 4 children :-
Henry William 1883-1965, Mary 1884-1968, Ellen 1885-1886 and your Gordon in 1888.
According to the news article below they had 5 children, I could only find 4.
After Henry William died, Jane married John Fredrick PRETLOVE 1857-1933 in 1897.
The Horsham Times, Friday 22 March 1889
A man named Harry Burns, who was a little the worse for liquor, galloped down. While crossing the bridge at a great pace, his horse slipped, and threw its rider very heavily, He was picked up, and carried back to Foley's hotel. The doctor was called, and at once pronounced Burns in a critical condition. He never regained consciousness, and died at 12 o'clock, three hours after the fall. The cause of death was fracture of the skull. He was quite a young man being only 32 years of age, and leaves a wife and five little children to mourn his death. The body was removed to Edenhope where the deceased lived, on Sunday

Your Gordon married at Mt Gambier.

The Horsham Times, Tuesday 23 March 1920
A quiet wedding was celebrated at in St. Paul's Roman Catholic Church, Mount Gambler, on 4th February by the Rev. Monsignor Ryan, the contracting parties being Gordon, youngest son of Mrs. J. Pretlove, of Minimay, and the late Mr. Henry Burns. and Josephine Alphonse Shaw, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J. Shaw, of Wehl-street, Mount Gambier.

by tonkin on 2013-01-07 23:26:11

Sorry, I forgot to include Henry's year of death and inquest as 1889.

by Gambier on 2013-01-08 01:36:46

Interesting re 5 little children left after my Grandfather Henry Burns'fatal fall off horse. I only know of my Dad (Gordon),his sister Mary, brother Henry (whose daughter late Lilian Caldere I met quite some years ago).
Appreciate anyone can fill me in re the other 2 siblings.

by Gambier on 2013-01-08 02:14:16

Just saw about baby Ellen,Seems only 1 sibling of my Father unknown.
Now like to know any details for my great-grandfather Henry William Burns married to Helen MAY.

by janilye on 2013-01-08 06:20:28

The newspapers didn't always get it right Gambier.
Great Grandfather, Henry William Burns was born in Boston Lincolnshire in 1832 arrived in South Australia about 1850 stayed in South Australia for a few years working at Hynam Station. Married Helen Bell MAY at Hynam on the 13 January 1857 and moved to Victoria and selected land around Edenhope (ullswater) lived and worked at the Lake Wallace Station until about 1863. He and Helen had 10 children the first 3 born at Lake Wallace Station. He died at
Helen Bell MAY was born in Scotland in 1834 the daughter of James MAY 1801-1865 and Helen BELL 1798-1871 and died at Edenhope on the 27 December 1909 and Henry died on the 10 October 1875. Both are buried at Edenhope.
Henry William Burns 18571888 m. Jane SHAW
James May Burns 18591900 m. Susan CLARK 1857-1937
Ann Wright Burns 18611943 m. John PAHL 1856-1908
Robert May Burns 18631915 m. ?
David May Burns 18651944 Mary SHAW abt1871-1960
William Burns 18671944 m. Flora CALDOW 1872-1969
Helen Bell May Burns 18691955 m. William OUGH 1871-1933
Samuel Wright Burns 18731895 m.?

by janilye on 2013-01-08 06:33:54

Forgot to mention, Henry William Burns died at Ullswater a suburb of Edenhope about halfway between Adelaide and Melbourne.
Edenhope lays beside Lake Wallace, which was named in the honor of William Wallace, who had been the first white man to see the lake in 1843. The Hope family developed Lake Wallace Station about 1845. The town then got its name both from the Hope family and the fact that they came from near Scotland's River Eden

by janilye on 2013-01-08 06:37:31

There's a lake around there called 'Bringalbert' which makes me smile, never did find out the origin of the name.

by janilye on 2015-09-28 21:14:41

According to this Inquest into Jane's stepdaughter Frances Pretlove there was also a younger brother called George.
West Wimmera Mail and Natimuk Advertiser, Friday 16 July 1915
Fatal Gun Accident

Following upon the sad death of
Frances Webb Pretlove at the Horsham District Hospital on Thursday
last, an inquest was held by Mr Edward Harrison, P.M., at Horsham
on Friday afternoon John Frederick Pretlove, of Minimay,
deposed : The body of deceased is my daughter, Frances Webb Pretlove,
aged 17 on June 6 last.
She has never been away from home.
On Friday, July 2, I did not see her, I saw her the evening before ; she
was then in good health. On Friday I went to Nhill via Lawloit. At
Lawloit I received a wire stating that my daughter had been accidentally shot ;
and another later, that she was in Nurse Russell's private hospital, at Goroke, and not in much pain. I rode back and saw my daughter next morning between 6.30
and 7 o'clock. She was conscious, and my stepson carried her out on
to the motor car. She begged me not to blame the boy, as it was a
pure, accident. She did not describe how it happened : nor yet did she at any time. I arrived here in Horsham at 3 a.m. on the day she died.
She seemed sufficiently conscious to know what I said.
One of the boys, Henry, aged 15, explained that he had the rifle. He had been round
the sheep ; and took the rifle to shoot crows and hawks, He said he came
into the kitchen and said to Fanny, the deceased, " Ain't you up yet?"
She answered, "Yes, I have just had my breakfast and made my bed"
I understood he replied, "Oh, you ain't been up long." He had the
rifie under his arm, with the muzzle pointing towards her. I suppose be
did not know it at the time. The younger brother, George, came up
behind him, between him and the table and either pulled the gun or
knocked it and that caused the gun to go off, and it shot her. Then she
ran outside to my step-son, who happened to be a few yards from
the bouse. She said : "Gordon, I'm shot."
The mother was absent milking the cows. That is the explanation the boy gave,
and he is a truthful boy. That is all I know about it. I had not seen my wife
and family from the time I parted with them at Goroke until I met them
here on Thursday morning at 3 o'clock.
My wife is suffering from shock, and cannot attend this inquest
Stanley J D Read, duly qualified medical practitioner, residing at
Horsham, said: I saw deceased on' her arrival at the Horsham hospital
on the morning of July 3, directly after her admission. She was then
fairly bright, and was able to tell me what had happened. She had a bullet
wound in the left side, just below the ribs. The builet had entered the
chest a little below the heart, and penetrated the left lung The left
lung was collapsed, and there was a condition of pneumothorax. The
respirations were quickened, and the heart's action disordered.
Her condition became worse on July 6, and she died at about 6 am on July 6.
In my opinion death was due to shock and heart failure, resulting from the
gunshot wound.
Gordon Burns, step-son of the previous witness, John Frederick Pretlove, also gave evidence.
At this stage the inquiry was
adjourned till July 27. at Goroke

by Gambier on 2015-09-29 03:55:57

Very interesting indeed!I knew of the children of John Frederick Pretlove & Jane Pretlove (formerly Shaw, my paternal grandmother) as Harry, Perc. Frances & George. So did they have another daughter also named Frances later, I wonder.

by Gambier on 2015-09-29 07:19:25

Having read this account again,I'm thinking the Frances Pretlove I remember is likely Frances daughter of Harry & Lulu Pretlove, named after the deceased sister. Still interesting to realize such a trauma befell my Father & his Mother Jane.

by janilye on 2015-09-29 17:24:45

The Horsham Times, Friday 14 July 1933

Our Minimay correspondent writes:
One of the early pioneers of the Minimay-Booroopki district, Mr. John Frederick Pretlove, passed away at, his home on Sunday morning after an illness of about six months.
Deceased was highly esteemed and there are few in the district who do not owe a debt
of gratitude for neighborly actions, Performed by him.
There were many expressions of regret at his passing, and much sympathy is extended to his sorrowing widow (who was the widow of the late Mr. Henry Burns, of Edenhope) and family, viz., Henry, Percy and George all of Minimay.
His only daughter (Fanny) predecesed him by
eighteen years.
The late Mr. Pretlove, who was-a son of the late Mr. and
Mrs. Henry Pretlove, of Sandford, was
born at Retreat station near Casterton, 75 years ago. He came to this
district in the early days of land selection, and chose from the 'Neuarpurr'
estate over 50 years ago, retaining his original holding, with the addition of
other land, until the time of his death.
A brother; Mr. George Pretlove, lives at Apsley, and other sisters
and brothers are:
Mrs. Dirvell (Mary), Melbourne ; Mrs. Lawford (Isabel), Sandford ;
Mrs. Wyburn (Ethel), W.A.
The following brothers and sisters are deceased : Mrs. Coulston (Francis) ;
Mrs. J. Salt (Ann) ; Mrs. Harwood, and Charles, Henry and James. The funeral to the Mininiay cemetery on Monday was largely attended, the service at the graveside being, conducted by the Rev. O. Murck. (Church of England; Edenhope)
The coffin bearers were Messrs. George Pretlove (brother of deceased) W. Oliver, C. F. Hawkins and H. Wilks.

by janilye on 2015-09-29 18:02:15

The Argus, Friday 7 September 1934
Mr. H. J. Pretlove was elected
a trustee of the Mínimas Cemetery in place of
the late Mr. John Pretlove his father

by janilye on 2015-09-29 18:04:33

the above should read 'Minimay Cemetery'
H.J was on just about every committee in Minimay

by Gambier on 2015-09-29 21:45:52

Many thanks for filling in another gap!So my dear Granny was again widowed for further 15 years. I think I only met her once as a young girl (travel was infrequent then). How nice it would have been to have known her more.

by janilye on 2015-09-30 01:46:32

The Narracoorte Herald (SA) Monday 24 January 1949

PRETLOVE.In loving memory of our
dear mother, Jane, who passed away
at Minimay on 20th January, 1948.
Some days, some time, our eyes shall see
That dear face, held in memory,
And God shall link that broken chain
Still closer when we meet again.
Ever remembered by her loving sons,
George and Perce, and daughter-in-law,
Dorrie, and family

by Gambier on 2015-09-30 02:13:22

What a very special verse for this very special lady. My dearest wish is to have a photo of my Granny Jane to treasure in my memory too.......one day. I truly appreciate your responses.

by janilye on 2015-09-30 02:23:27
by edenhope on 2015-10-03 01:25:23

i have a newspaper cutting that is called "A contradiction" which tells a different story of Henry's death. It stated The accident occured at 9am and that Henry ws not under the influence of alcohol. Im happy to provide a copy if you woudl like it. My father received the clipping from a lady name May Smythe when researchin our family history. Gordon Burns used to visit us when we were younger. From memory he had a wife named Isobel, who was i think his second wife?

by Gambier on 2015-10-03 03:57:16

Many thanks !! Yes I would like a clipping, interesting twist.
[email protected]
Fancy my Dad visited you !! Yes my Mother was his second wife, Isabelle.
Were any photos taken of him?
Today someone sent me one of my Dad on horseback with someone, they were picking fruit up there. Reuben Burns was mentioned & I remember Dad mentioning him too. Right I'm trying to retrieve this photo from Facebook or ?? so I can thank them too. Every little piece is special. Dad loved to talk about the old days, we tried to record on tape but he knew our "tricks" mostly.
Many thanks Janet Lucas

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