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Looking for Hastings Alfred Elms' mother Jane Wyndham

Query by Rosemaree

I have a photograph and a card that has a note written by one of my Great aunts that the photograph is of Jane Wyndham mother of Hastings Alfred Elms born 1832 Itchenfield, Sussex, England. His father was Rev. Edward Elms. Hastings left England 4 November, 1851 for Australia. He married Janet Beveridge 14 April 1859 and died August 1910.
I have not found any other family trees, except my sister's that has Hastings' mother as Jane Wyndham. I cannot find out any information on Jane before she was married.
I hope some one may be able to help.
Rosemaree

18 February, 2013 I have attached a portrait of Jane Elms (nee Wyndham) hoping this may help find her ancestors.

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by SilverVixen on 2013-01-14 04:04:22

Jane Elms married Francis Alfred Bowles Horsham, Sussex 1850 Q1 7 487
They are in the Uk 1851 census with Hastings who is named as brother in law to Head of family Francis, so it would seem that Jane is the sister of Hastings. Jane is in the 1841 UK census as a Brush Maker living / boarding with a family REEVES in Surrey

by SilverVixen on 2013-01-14 05:00:39

Sorry just realised not the Jane you were looking for You are looking for Jane mother not sister Will see if I can find anything later

by Rosemaree on 2013-02-11 00:03:35

Thank you for looking. Jane may have had a second name Elizabeth. Her father may have been George Wyndham.

by Rosemaree on 2013-03-09 05:51:02

I have found Jane's parents. She is the illegitimate daughter of 3rd Earl of Ergmont, George Wyndham and Jane Lintot. Jane married Edward Elms as Jane Lintot although she was baptised as Jane Wyndham. I am still searching members of this family. Thanks for those who have helped.

by korimou on 2013-08-01 07:26:11

I am a member of this family. I think this Jane Lintot was my 4 greatsgrandmother! I didn't know she was baptised as Jane Wyndham. I have some family tree information about her descendants.

by Rosemaree on 2013-08-01 21:44:14

Hello korimou,
Did your Jane Lintot marry Edward Elms 6 September, 1815 at Sussex, England?
If she did I would be very pleased to hear from you. Jane Wyndham (or Lintot) (1794-1870)was my 3rd great grandmother and I cannot find out anything about her family other than her husband and children. I would like to know more about her mother's family if possible? What side of the family of Edward Elms and Jane are you a descendent of? My 2nd great grandfather was Hastings Alfred Elms (1832-1910) who migrated to Australia when he was a young man.
Rosemaree

by korimou on 2013-08-05 03:04:32

Hello Rosemaree,
My Jane Lintot, (1795-1870 are the dates I have for her) married the Rev. Edward Elms of Christchurch, Oxford, on 6th Sept 1815, Itchenfield, Sussex.
Her father was George O'Brien Wyndham, 3rd Earl of Egremont. Her mother was Jane Lintot, one of his many mistresses (very interesting info about him on the net, a very cultured man and patron of Turner, obviously liked the ladies as had many liasons resulting in several illegitimate children!!)
I am a descendant of Jane and Edward's daughter, Emma Elms (1816-1857). She married John Stileman Bostock of Horsham (1813-1885) on Sept 22 1840, Itchenfield. Their son, Edward Ingram Bostock of Horsham (1842-1926) married Sarah Southey Baker. Their daughter, Agnes Helen Bostock (1879-1961)married Henry Devenish Harben, 26th Aug 1897, Horsham; they had 5 children and their youngest daughter, Eve, was my mother. Correction: Jane Lintot was my 3rd great grandmother, not 4th as I originally said.
I wonder how your Hastings Alfred and our Emma Elms are related because there is a 16 year difference in their date of birth, although Jane was only about 21 when Emma was born; perhaps Alfred was a later son. If Emma and Hastings are siblings, I guess it makes us sort of cousins. Hello, my name is Rionagh. My parents were Eve Harben and Eric Edward Dorman O'Gowan (Google him).
The only information I have about our Jane Lintot's mother, is that her name was also Jane Lintot, b.1772, daughter of Eliz. Lintot.
From the papers I have, George O'Brien Wyndham traces his ancestry back to Henry V11, son of Margaret Beaufort and Edmund Tudor (and the period of the Wars of the Roses. It gets interesting.)
There is currently a drama series on BBC TV called "The White Queen". It is based on the lives of the 3 women who played important roles in the events of the Lancastrian/Yorkist struggles for the throne; one of these women was Margaret Beaufort; the other was Elizabeth Woodville who married Edward 1V; her daughter, Elizabeth, was married to Margaret's son, Henry Tudor who became Henry V11; their daughter Mary married Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk and from her George O'Brien Wyndham traces his descent.
All this info is based on old family tree papers given to me by my father and my mother's older sister. I accept that it may not be entirely correct, based on the available knowledge at that time.
Phew, that's a lot for a Monday morning!!! Any comments welcome; any further information welcome. Any help with Eliz Lintot, mother of Jane, very welcome.

by Rosemaree on 2013-08-06 01:04:31

Hello Rionagh,
Thank you for the information, especially about Jane's mother and etc.
We are 4th cousins. Hastings Alfred Elms (1832-1910)migrated to Australia in 1851 aged 19. He settled in Victoria and married Janet Jessie Beveridge (1838-1899).Their fourth child of 10 was Agnes Adelaide (1865-1891)and my great grand mother. Agnes married Robert Donaldson(1850-1939)a Protestant born in Ireland at "The Hill", Newtonhamilton, Armagh in 1891. They lived in Central Queensland, Australia
near Emerald on Medway Station, a cattle property, which is still owned by their descendants. My grandmother, Marion Agnes Estelle (1896-1986) was their 4th child of 6 children. My grandmother married George Kavanagh (1897-1949)who was RC Irish descent and had 4 children, my mother the youngest Honor Agnes George is still going strong at 86. I am the eldest of 9 children and my father was Bertram Thomasson (1926-2002).
I do most of my family tree on ancestry.com.
I googled your father. What an interesting life.
One of my sisters, her partner and myself are planning a trip to the UK and "Prussia" in the near future tracking down ancestors. So we must keep in contact.

by korimou on 2013-08-08 06:30:46

Hello Rosemaree,
Thank you for posting the information about your family. What a huge family you belong to!
It would be good to establish how many children were born to Jane Lintot and Rev. Edward Elms. So far we know about Emma and Hastings, and possibly the Jane Elms (married to Francis Alfred Bowles) referred to by SilverVixen above.
I was researching Lintot generally and found an extensive site detailing the different branches of the Lintots; unfortunately no concrete leads to our Jane Lin tot, mistress of George O'Brien Wyndham, except for a reference to a John Lintot of Petworth, butcher, 1746-1824. Petworth, Sussex, is the town serving Petworth House, the family seat of George O'Brien Wyndham, so perhaps Jane was the daughter of that John Lintot. Feasible, the dates of father and daughter would fit.
I also found a reference to "...Kenneth Chadwick, who is descended from a branch of the Lintott family who went to Petworth as pork-butchers...".
The site is www.lintott.web.skysurfer.ca/pages/djabrioverview.html
I'll try to get in touch with the author of the Lintott notes and see if I can get in touch with the Kenneth Chadwick mentioned in the notes. It is very interesting to read all about the Lintots ( several different spellings of the name).

Good to meet you, 4th cousin! I live in Cyprus. My eldest son is a lecturer at Monash University,Melbourne. He married a Johnston from Newcastle, NSW, and they have two boys. I have made a few visits to Australia, very enjoyable, mainly Queensland and NSW so hope to get down to visit them in Melbourne before too long.

I'll see if I can get anything else on the Lintot connection. Till then.....
let me know if you firm up your plans to come to Europe.

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