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Looking for HOWELL of Greenock/England

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I am trying to trace my family tree but have hit a brick wall. My fathers grandfather came to New Zealand from England (Gateshead) about 1891? as a remittance man. His name was EDWARD THOMAS HOWELL. Edward's father was HENRY HYATT HOWELL who was a well known Geologist. Edward had 1 brother WILLOUGHBY JOHN HOWELL and 2 sisters JULIA AND ELLEN.

Edward worked at Mt Eden Prison NZ as a warder and also at Kaingaroa NZ when the forestry was planted. Edward fathered 4 sons while at Kaingaroa one of which is my grandfather. He returned to Auckland NZ without his sons and was not heard from again.

Willoughby moved to Scotland and became a clergyman in the Episcopal Church Gourock. He married Maude Mary Page Robertson. Willoughby over time became a Reverend then a Canon of the church.

I have got as far as Willoughby and Maude having a son in 1904 who is named either ALEXANDER HENRY HOWELL or HENRY H HOWELL, who also became a clergyman.

Any help in finding information would be much appreciated.

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by noggin on 2014-02-07 03:42:35
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by asheppard on 2014-02-07 21:46:30

Edward Thomas' father was

According to his marriage record

Henry Hyett Howell full age Occ: Surveyor
married 15 May 1862 St Pancras
Father: Thomas Jones Howell - Dead
Julia Cunningham minor
Father: Thomas Cunningham Occ: Builder

Witnesses Alfred ????(unable to read) & Martha Patience Cunningham

According to the 1871 & 1881 Census he was bor 1833 Gloucestershire

Edward Thomas b March 1871 Darlington Durham

1851 Census
Thomas Jones Howell b1794 St Anns Soho Widow
living at
5 Easton Place West
St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Occ: Ispector of Factories
also living with him 5 servants - Butler, Ladys Maid, Cook, Housemaid and a young 15yr old boy Occ; listed as pauper?

Death Jun 1858
Howell Thomas Jones St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1a 166

1871 Census
Pier?????? Crescent (difficult to read)
Darlington Durham
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry H Howell 38 b Upton Gloucestershire Occ: Geological Surveyor
John Howell 28 (reads Julia) b Ireland
John L Howell 6 (reads Julia) b St Pancras
Willoughby J Howell 5 b Gateshead Durham
Edward T Howell 3 Months b Darlingto
Mary A Bulnes 22 general servant


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Oct 1862
Father's Name: Henry Hzett Howell (reads Hyett)
Mother's Name: Julia Howell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Regent´s Park St Mark
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Details born 12 Sept 1862, Res: 5 Mornington Rd, F.Occ: Surveyor

Deaths Jun 1865
Howell Henry Thomas Pancras 1b 87

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Julia Laura Howell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jun 1864
Father's Name: Henry Azett Howell
Mother's Name: Julia Howell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Regent´s Park St Mark
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Details Born 22 May 1864, Res: 5 Albert Street, Camden, F.Occ: Surveyor

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Willoughby John Howell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1865
Baptism Date: 26 Nov 1865
Baptism Place: Gateshead,Durham,England
Father: Henry Hyett Howell
Mother: Julia

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Edward Thomas Howell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1870
Birth Place: Darlington Dur Eng
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1871
Baptism Place: St. Cuthbert, Darlington, Durham, England
Father: Henry Hyett Howell
Mother: Julia
FHL Film Number: 1514535
Reference ID: item 5 p 22

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Ellen Howell
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Darlington Dur Eng
Baptism Date: 4 Jan 1878
Baptism Place: St. Cuthbert, Darlington, Durham, England
Father: Henry Hyett Howell
Mother: Julia
FHL Film Number: 1514535
Reference ID: item 5 p 116

There are two baptism dates for Ellen one above for 4th and another has the 8th possibly a transcription error.

by asheppard on 2014-02-07 22:10:53

1851 Census for Henry

1851 England Census about Henry Howell
Name: Henry Howell
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Address Lichfield Street
Occ: Geological Surveyor

Couldn't find him in 1861

1871 is on previous post

1881 England Census
Name: Henry Hyett Howell
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Julia Howell
Gender: Male
Where born: Prinkenath Park, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Pierremont Crescent
Marital status: Married
Occupation: District Surveyor Geological Survey Of England
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Hyett Howell 48
Julia Howell 38
Willoughby John Howell 15
Edward Thos. Howell 10
Ellen Howell 5
Hannah Storey 27 servant

Possibly Henry Hyetts parents marriage

England, Select Marriages, 15381973
Name: Thomas Jones Howell
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 4 Sep 1817
Marriage Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England
Spouse: Susanna Maria Macleod
FHL Film Number: 561159, 561160, 561161, 561162

and Thomas Jones Howell's baptism

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thomas Jones Howell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1793
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1794
Baptism Place: Saint Anne Soho,Westminster,London,England
Father: Thomas Bayly Howell
Mother: Liucy Ann
FHL Film Number: 918606

by asheppard on 2014-02-07 22:14:15

Deaths Mar 1874
Howell Julia Laura 9 Darlington 10a 7

by ToniHarvey on 2014-02-09 15:38:48

Thank you for the information. If anyone out there knows of people that might be able to do some research for me in Gourock Scotland and surrounding areas it would be much appreciated. I do know that Alexander went into the Royal Navy as a clergyman until after the war but I am unable to find him or his family from then on.

by Boomeranger on 2015-05-31 00:14:36

Hello Toni, while we are not biologically related, we share some links.
My records of the Howell history do not contain much more than you appear to know already, that is:

Henry Hyatt Howell born Prinkaneth Park, Gloucester, England in 1833.
Married a Julia Ann ?, born 1841 in Lamport, Northamptonshire.
Henry was District Surveyor for the Geological Survey of England.
Their children:
John L Howell, born 1865. (Possibly short-lived, as his name appears again)
Willoughby John Howell, born 1866, Gateshead.
Edward Thomas Howell, born 1871, Darlington, Durham.

I was unaware of the daughters, Julia and Ellen. Do they appear in any of the Census results?

Willoughby John Howell was vicar of St Bartholomewâs Church in Gourock, Scotland for many years. The benefactor of St. Bartâs was my great-grandfather, Alexander Page-Robertson, who was born in Sydney in 1847 and educated at Glasgow University. He became a very successful Dental Surgeon with a practice in Glasgow, while living in Gourock.

He married Mary Turnbull in 1871, and their son Alexander was my grandfather, and their daughter Maude Mary subsequently married the Rev. Howell in 1901. He was 13 years older than her.

I only have a record of them having one child, Alexander Henry Howell, born 24 August 1904. At the time of my great-grandfatherâs death in 1917, Alexander Henry was his only grandchild (my father was born in 1918), and so was subsequently bequeathed a considerable fortune.

I believe he also became an Episcopal Clergyman with the Church of Scotland, but have been unable to find any trace of what became of him. My father always referred to Alex as âhis favourite cousinâ, so I imagine he may still have been around in the 1950âs, but perhaps not, and by the time Maude died in 1966 in Gourock, I was living in Australia, so I have no idea if he was around or what happened to Maudeâs estate.

I would be very pleased if you could fill in any of the gaps for me. I live in Melbourne and visited Gourock in 2013, particularly to visit St. Bartâs as there were several plaques etc recording my grandparents gifts to the church. The Rev. Howellâs pink granite cross is just a few metres away from my great-grandparents identical cross. I would be happy to send you a pdf of it, if you are interested. I have only just joined this Forum today, so I have no idea what is possible in the way of communication! Regards, Andrew.

by ToniHarvey on 2015-06-01 21:35:22

Hi Andrew. Thanks for your reply. I would so love to have a pdf of the granite cross. I have been trying to find a picture of it on the internet but haven't had any luck so far.

To add to what you know of Alexander Henry Howell, he married Margaret Gardyne on 5/12/1932. The were residing at 3 Randolph Pl, Edinburgh. Margaret's father was also a Clerk in the Holy Order. Alex was a clergyman in Haddington until 1939 when he joined the Royal Navy as a clergyman.

From 1939 on I haven't been able to find out what happened to Alex and Margaret. I did however find a death record for a Alexander Henry Howell. It read Alexander Henry Howell, Ipswich 24 Aug 1904 - Apr-May-Jun 1982.

Do you know of anyone that may have photos of Willoughby and his family? My email address is [email protected] I look forward to hearing from you soon. Regards, Toni

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