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Query by rawrlw

I'm researching the Carr family but don't seem to be getting very far.
I know of James Carr Born around 1840 Died 1912 and Married Anne Marie Armstrong.
i know of one of there sons.Raymond john albert Carr, born 1906 in victoria and died 1960/ This is my husbands grandfather so i know that part is right.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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on 2013-05-19 03:42:14

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by tonkin on 2013-05-19 05:12:03

Welcome rawrlw.

A good starting point will be the marriage of James CARR & Annie ARMSTRONG.

Groom: James CARR.
Birth place: Given as Manaro, New South Wales.

Bride: Annie ARMSTRONG.
Birth place: Given as Clunes, Victoria.

Year married: 1892.
Place: Victoria, Australia.

Ref: Registry of Marriages, Victoria. Reg #6917.

by tonkin on 2013-05-19 05:52:48

Having a look at my hand written notes James and Annie had five children.
I have not compiled the family record for James and Annie to date but I do know they had five children.

Charles CARR.
Born 1893 in Carlton, Victoria.
(VBI #29769)

Margaret Alberta CARR.
Born 1898 in Stratford, Victoria.
(VBI #29473)

Ivan George William CARR.
Born 1900 in Brighton, Victoria.
(VBI #16842)

John Raymond Albert CARR.
Born 1906 in Hotham West, Victoria.
(VBI #3896)

5. Amelia Lucy CARR.
Born 1908 in Maffra, Victoria.
(VBI #2834)

I will go through my CARR notes and see what I can put together.

by rawrlw on 2013-05-19 09:27:28

Thanks so much guys. I appreciate any help

by tonkin on 2013-05-19 23:18:13



Name: Annie Maria CARR.
Died: 1925 Sale, Victoria.
Age: 58 years.
Father: George CARR. *
Mother: Amelia SMITH.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #11506.

* Informant gave the wrong father's name.


Name: Annie Marie CARR.
Died: 08 September 1925.
Age: 58 years.
Buried: Sale Cemetery.
Ref: Sale Cemetery Headstones.

Possible BIRTH.

Name: Annie Maria ARMSTRONG.
Born: 1866 Amherst, Victoria.
Father: John ARMSTRONG.
Mothewr: Amelia SMITH.
Ref: Registry of Births, Victoria. Reg #19008.

The 1892 marriage certificate for CARR & ARMSTRONG will confirm parents names.

by tonkin on 2013-05-20 00:25:46

I expect you have these details.


Name: Raymond John Albert CARR.
Died: 1960 Sale, Victoria.
Age: 54 years.
Father: James CARR.
Mother: Anne Marie ARMSTRONG.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #21429.


Name: Raymond J. A. CARR.
Died: 19 March 1960.
Age: 54 years.
Buried: Sale Cemetery.
Ref: Sale Cemetery Headstones.

Possible MARRIAGE.

Groom: Raymond CARR.
Bride: Hazel Ada Ivy WALLACE.
Year married: 1929.
Place: Victoria.
Ref: Registry of Marriages, Victoria. Reg #6004.

Is this Raymond's marriage?

by tonkin on 2013-05-20 01:16:37


Name: Margaret Albert GOLDMAN.
Died: 1957 Cheltenham, Victoria.
Age: 57 Years.
Father: James CARR.
Mother: Annie ARMSTRONG.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. Reg #19393.

It's strange but I'm unable to locate Margaret's marriage to GOLDMAN.
At least we know when she died.

by rawrlw on 2013-05-20 01:17:50

Thanks for all that info. yes we did have the basics on raymond but are stuck on his parents. Yes you had the right info for their marriage.
Hazel Died in Brisbane and transported back for burial in Sale victoria.

by tonkin on 2013-05-20 04:32:42

Have not located Margaret's marriage to GOLDMAN but the following death gives us a few more clues.

Name: Alan GOLDMAN.
Died: 1946 in Carnegie, Victoria.
Age: 15 years.
Father: John Ivan GOLDMAN.
Mother: Margaret Alberta CARR.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Victoria. reg #12950.

Going by this death Alan was born circa 1931 so Margaret CARR and John GOLDMAN were married before 1931.

I have a feeling I have missed something and will try and sort Margaret and John out tomorrow.

by tonkin on 2013-05-20 05:27:22


Name: Ivan George William CARR.
Died: 1957 Perth district, Western Australia.
Age: 56 years.
Father: James.
Mother: Annie.
Ref: Registry of Deaths, Western Australia. Reg #1667.


Name: Ivan George William CARR.
Died: 14 July 1957.
Place: South Perth, Western Australia.
Age: 56 years.
Buried: Karrakatta Cemetery, Western Australia.
Area: Anglican.
Section: ZK.
Gravesite 0462.
Ref: Karrakatta Cemetery Records, Western Australia.

by DorperL on 2014-01-13 06:07:05

Hello there again,
I made an error in my response. Ann Carr was thought to be the daughter of Brown a convict convicted in Dublin. She, herself, was born in Sydney.
James Snr, was convicted in County Meath, Ireland. His occupation was noted as a reaper or thresher,

by DorperL on 2014-01-13 06:51:15

Hi there RAWRLW,
Looks like my original response has gone into the ether.
Ann(nee Brown) and James Snr are your James parents. Your James was firstly married to Celia Williams (my husbands gg/aunt) She died aged 34. I have 9 children for them (half-siblings to Raymond-some not surviving infancy. A descendant of James brother, Thomas(Rob O'Brien) has a posting on the internet
He lists siblings for James who was born on Moonbah Station (Monaro district)-also their spouses, but has an error for Anne Maria Armstrong. He records an amazing tale of hardship & endurance of this early Gippsland pioneer family.Google James Carr for this article.James Snr & wife Ann made an epic trek through the mountains to Gippsland. The family developed properties in Upper Maffra and on Merrimans Creek- near Holey Plains.Ann died of gangrene after refusing to get an infected leg amputated(probably no anaesthetics then) James Snr drowned in a waterhole in a creek near Maffra.James & Ann are both buried in plot 7-H-1, Sale Cemetery. Dates are on Rob's posting. I believe your James was a director of Maffra Butter Factory at some point. There is a Wedding photo of Raymond & Hazel on a Mundia site on the net. Do read Rob's article. I to, had only scant information on the Carrs prior to spotting his posting. I have been in contact with him by email since. Your husband should be proud to be a member of this early Gippsland Pioneer family.
Kind Regards,

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