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Looking for John Derepas of Louth Ireland & Australia

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John Derepas was a son of John Derpas and Lucy Wolff and was born in 1801 and baptised in Collon Parish Church. John married Margaret Emily MacDonald and they had children born in Scotland and County Louth Ireland. They emigrated to Sydney Australia arriving in 1849 on the Duke of Roxburgh".

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on 2009-04-07 23:38:51

Miles , from Northmead (Sydney suburb) Australia, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Apr 2009. is researching the following names: DEREPAS, SOMERLED, BRUCE and 5 other(s).

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by sommerled on 2009-04-09 16:47:17

Hi Miles

Do you have any information about John Henry Derepas' mother, Lucy Wolff?

I found the marriage of John Derepas and Lucy Wolff in the IGI: LUCY WOLFF Spouse: JOHN DEREPAS
Marriage: 08 NOV 1790 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England

And what appears to be Lucy's birth: 12 FEB 1769
Christening: 19 MAR 1769 Somerby By Bigby, Lincoln, England. Parents: Father: JACOB WOLFF Mother: ANN.

Do you have any evidence this is her?

If so, I found the following in the UK National Archives:

Sir Jacob Wolff married, Dec. 11, 1766, Anne, only daughter of the right hon. Edward Wetton, of Somerby-Hall, in Lincoln- fhire, Efq; by whom he has ifiue one daughter.

[http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/SomerbybyBigby/
Manors: Somerby Hall was the long-time home of the WESTON family.]

I found another daughter in the IGI, ANN ELIZ WOLFF; Birth: 16 OCT 1767 Christening: 11 NOV 1767 Somerby By Bigby, Lincoln, England
Parents: Father: JACOB WOLFF Mother: ANN

Best wishes
Nel

by sommerled on 2009-04-10 15:29:01

Lucy Derepas (nee Wolff) cannot be the daughter of Sir Jacob Wolff; this Lucy was born 8 Oct 1771; married 29 Nov 1792 to Captain Parslow from the King's dragoons, from whom she was divorced, and then married again in 1800 to Philip Ditcher

by Miles on 2009-04-10 20:37:15

I have no proof of Lucy Wolff's parents. I had found the same people as you plus Sophia Wolff b. or chris. 11 August 1773.
Also, I have not found any documentation that John, who married Lucy, had Henry as a second name. However, there were at least four children, John 1794, Thomas 1795, John 1801, Louisa Jane 1803 (assume that first John had died young), all were baptised Collon Parish Church (Church of Ireland), Co. Louth Ireland. John senior was Cook for John Foster (Baron Oriel) Speaker of the last Irish House of Commons. Witnesses at John and Lucy's marriage were jean pierre Manfroy and Germaine Sara Bows (or Boaz - hard to read copy of Marriage Register. St Anne Soho was one of the three churches frequented by French Huguenots in London. Family tradition is that Derepas was French and there are many Derepas families in Burgandy, France.
Margaret Emily was the eldest child of John MacDonald and Mary Lothian and was born in Edinburgh in 1798. There is no record of where or when they married. Some of their children were born in Scotland and some in Co. Louth Ireland. In a Court of Session, Case No. 284, in March 1830 John Derepas was shown as "of Lismore, in Argleshire" and "sole owner" --- "of the smack Margaret of Oban".
Shipping Lists for the Duke of Roxburgh show that John Henry Derepas, eldest son did not come with the rest of the family but he married and settled in Victoria. Margaret's uncle, Ranald, Catholic Right Reverend Bishop was at a seminary on Lismore and he may have conducted the marriage and baptism of the Scottish born children but there are no Catholic records for Lismore in their Archives. The Bishop may have taken them when he retired to Fort William in 1832.
You may already be aware that Margaret Emily's MacDonald family are descended from many Royal and Npble famies in England, Scotland, Ireland and Europe including William the Conqueror, Robert the Bruce and Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne.
Regards,
Miles, Sydney Australia.

by sommerled on 2009-04-12 13:29:03

and Somerled

by grunter0 on 2009-06-06 01:46:57

G'day Miles and Sommerled, well right out of left field comes another member of the Derepas family, my name is Grunter and live only 200 miles north of Sydney. John Derepas arrived in 1849 with his wife and family, well his daughter Mary Emily is the branch I come from, she married Alexander McDonald in 1855 at Tenterfield, well he has been my main bain in life, where he popped up from remains a mystery at the moment and what in the hell is a young lady doing at Tenterfield in 1855 is beyond my imagination, there was nothing there then virtually, they were all sheep runs around the area at the time. My email is grunterbluescowboy@yahoo.com.au and love to make contact regards Grunter

by Miles on 2009-06-06 19:43:27

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by Miles on 2009-06-06 21:07:36

Hello Grunter0,
John Derepas was the 2nd Postmaster at Tenterfield so I assume that Mary Emily accompanied him and would have met and married Alexander McDonald there. I have no confirmed record of Lucy Wolff's ancestry. My great-grandparents were Charles D'Arcy Wentworth and Eliza Harriet Derepas. I have researched most of the descendants of John Derepas and Margaret Emily MacDonald. I have Margaret Emily's ancestors back to early Royal and Noble families. Email: kcwmile7@bigpond.com

by sommerled on 2009-06-10 17:23:12

Hello Grunter

Alexander McDonald is indeed a hard man to trace. The only information I have about him is that he was born in Scotland and he died 27 Aug 1896 and is buried at the Warwick general cemetery.

According to his death certificate his parents were Alexander MacDONALD and Margaret McDONNELL.

If his father is named Alexander, why is his first born son named Aeneas? Scottish tradition is that the first son is named after the father's father.

Regards
Sommerled

by Miles on 2009-06-10 22:54:25

Hello Sommerled,

From my experience this custom is often not followed.

Miles

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