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Looking for Mabel Florence BURR nee BLAIR born 1874 Lived in Albert Park ( south Melbourne Victoria ) Married to Robert Crawford BURR

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on 2013-04-18 00:34:37

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by tonkin on 2013-04-18 01:23:26

Welcome RobBURR3.

This may be your Mabel Florence BURR nee BLAIR.

DEATH.

Name: Mabel Florence BURR.
Died: 1960 Caulfield, Victoria.
Age: 87 years.
Father: Unknown BLAIR.
Mother: Unknown.
Ref: VDI #34871.

Cemetery and newspaper searches may turn up more.

by RobBURR3 on 2013-04-18 20:07:20

Thanks for reply. I have same information - she is my Grandmother - however I cannot locate any information prior to her birth in 1874 or about her family members - very frustrating. Have tried many avenues. I have great details of Burr family but not hers!

by janilye on 2013-04-18 22:28:07

I know this below doesn't seem like much but with the connection of the two names, the relationships and the suburb, there just may be a clue:
The Argus ,Monday 13 August 1917
MATLOCK.-On the 11th August, at her residence,323 Moray street, South Melbourne, Louisa Ellen, beloved wife of the late John Matlock, and loving mother of Ernest, James, and Ada Matlock, loving sister of A. Bentley and the late Maria Butterworth, L. Tonken, W. A. Blair, also the late Phillip and Lillie Blair, Mrs. R. C. Burr, and loving aunt of Louisa Blair, Mrs. W. R. Gunn, and W. Blair, jun. (Private interment.) Sadly missed, and deeply mourned by all.

by tonkin on 2013-04-19 00:24:25

Frustrating indeed Rob.

Are these the details you have for Mabel's birth and marriage of parents?

BIRTH.

Name: Florence Mabel BLAIR.
Born: 1874 in Emerald Hill. (East Melbourne)
Father: William Robert BLAIR.
Mother: Maria BENTLEY.
Ref: VBI #2213.

MARRIAGE.

Groom: William BLAIR.
BrideL Maria BENTLEY.
Year married: 1853.
Place: St James C of E, Melbourne, Victoria.
Ref: VMI #6417.

When looking at the birth records William BLAIR and Maria BENTLEY had no children between 1853 and 1873. Then Florence Mabel is born in 1874.

If you have the birth certificate for Florence it should also name her siblings
born before her.

Names I'm looking for on Florence's birth certificate include:

- Letitia or Lititia.
- Louisa Ellen.
- William Amos.
- Elizabeth Agnes.
- Robert Gilbert.
- Marion Florence.

If I'm reading the records correctly Maria BENTLEY was also recorded on the birth and death records of her children as OBRIEN, CROTTY and ROACH. Children named on Florence's birth certificate should confirm Maria's previous children.

Cheers.

by asheppard on 2013-04-19 01:06:39

Could this be your Mabel Florence

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Mabel Florence Blair
Name: Mabel Florence Blair
Father's Name: William Robert Blair
Mother's Name: Maria Bentley
Birth Place: Emerald Hill, Victoria
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 2213

Marriage for William & Maria
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about William Blair
Name: William Blair
Spouse Name: Marla Bentley
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1853
Registration number: 226

several of the children in the Matlock death have listed mother as Maria with different surnames on their death details.

All born Emerald Hill VIC
Births
Letitia (possibly Lillie)b1854 F; William M; Maria O'brien
Louisa Ellen Matlock nee Blair b1857 F; William M; Maria Crotty
W.A.Blair - William Amos b1860 F; William M; Maria Roach
Elizabeth b1865 F; William M; Maria Roach
Marian Florence b1870 F:William M; Maria Crotty
**Mabel Florence b1874 F; William M; Maria Bentley

on Maria Butterworth's death parents William Blair & Maria Crotty birth abt 1850
on Philip Gilbert Blair's death parents William & Maria Crotty (haven't found a birth yet)
on Elizabeth Agnes' death parents William & Maria Crotty

and I found this, which might help with Maria's name, or possible cause more confusion.

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950about James Bentley
Name: James Bentley
Spouse Name: Maria O Brien
Marriage Date: 1844
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1844
Volume Number: V

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922about Alfred Archibald Bentley
Name: Alfred Archibald Bentley
Father's Name: James Bentley
Mother's Name: Maria
Birth Place: Melbourne, Victoria
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 27447

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985about Alfd Archd Bentley
Name: Alfd Archd Bentley
Death Place: Brighton, Victoria
Age: 83
Father's Name: Jas Grove Bentley
Mother's Name: Maria Teresa Crotty
Registration Year: 1935
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 3822
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852

It is strange, the only way to know for sure is to get a copy of William & Maria Bentley's marriage and a copy of one or two of the childrens births.

by janilye on 2013-04-19 01:22:27

The Argus, Friday 28 March 1952
Brothers' romances keep 'in step' to 50th wedding anniversary
Two brothers celebrated their golden wedding anniversaries on the same day yesterday.
They met their wives at the same dance at the Temperance Hall, South Melbourne, in 1894. and married in a double ceremony at the same church in Heidelberg in 1902.
The couples are Mr. Robert Burr. 80, and his wife, 78, of Danks st., Albert
Park; and Mr. Duncan Burr, 78, and Mrs. Burr, 78, of Gnarwyn rd.. Carnegie.
Mrs. Robert Burr said yesterday that it was "love at first sight" when she saw
her husband.
Mrs. Duncan Burr said that her husband was "not her first beau, but he was the best.
"That is why I married him." she said.
"And this is not our first anniversary together," Mr.Robert Burr said. "Each year we spend the day together and recall the 'roaring nineties.'
Mr. Robert Burr is well known to Flemington racegoers. He was a gatekeeper there for many years.
More than 50 guests went to the anniversary party at the home of Mr. Duncan
Burr.

by RobBURR3 on 2013-04-19 01:33:48

Tonkin and Janilye - How wonderful! Thanks you. Details coincide with recollections and names I have from my childhood now that I read them. Birthplace of Emerald Hill I knew but didn't realize it was East Melbourne or Victoria. Caulfield as place she died is in relation to her living with my family at the time until she was admitted to Caulfield Rehab.. hospital but didn't survive.. I have been discussing your info with my Sister and she has some similar info but I didn't recall that she did! (Typical). She has Mabel's birth certificate among her paperwork (but unavailable at present)- she is certain she is registered as Mabel Florence. I now have something to work with and unfold family tree further. If it is not impertinent to ask, what is your connection? no obligation to answer.

by RobBURR3 on 2013-04-19 01:45:34

OOPs -- to asheppard. Sorry, the page with your information appeared when I replied to Tonkin & Janilye - your info adds to their details and to my resources now and I am most grateful. Do you have some family connection?
Janilye, (Thanks - more info!)I recall the double 50th anniversary very well and it was a most happy occasion.

by asheppard on 2013-04-19 01:59:42

I'm not related, I just like digging around and try to help others if I can.

by janilye on 2013-04-19 02:28:00

[url=http://shawfactor.com/gazetteer/victoria/south-melbourne/] Emerald Hill is South Melbourne (the top of the hill) our local paper is still called The Emerald Hill Times.
The Argus, Friday 29 October 1948
BOY STRUCK BY CAR
Struck by a car in Hawthorn rd, South Caulfield, last night, Robert Burr, 7, of Hawthorn rd, South Caulfield, was admitted to Alfred Hospital with a fractured leg, lacerations, and a possible fractured skull and jaw. His condition is serious.
The Argus Monday 16 January 1956
BURROn January 14, at his home, 110 Danks street, Albert Park Robert Crawford, dearly be loved husband of Mabel Florence Burr, devoted father of Robert, and loving grandfather of Robert and Pamela. -At rest.
BURR, - On January 14. at Albert Park, Robert Crawford, loved brother of James and Mary, and loved uncle ol Gladys (Mrs. Goller), Keith. Betty (Mrs. Duncan), Bruce, and June (Mrs. Lee). -At rest

I might walk round to Danks St later and see if the house is still there.

Louisa Matlock before she died managed a theatre company in Clarendon St., South Melbourne. along with her son Ernest.

by janilye on 2013-04-19 02:30:11
by tonkin on 2013-04-19 02:41:35

Going by the above I expect these will be the deaths for Mabel's parents.

DEATH.

Name: William Robert BLAIR.
Died: 1901 Melbourne South, Victoria.
Age: 85 years.
Father: William Robert BLAIR.
Mother: Unknown.
Ref: VDI #14769.

DEATH.

Name: Maria BLAIR.
Died: 1898 Melbourne South, Victoria.
Age: 69 years.
Father: George CROTTY.
Mother: Letitia ROACH.
Ref: VDI #8850.

The CROTTY and ROACH names again.

I'm not connected to your BLAIR lines. Just another member trying to help put your family lines together.

Hope you let us know the other children recorded on Mabel's birth certificate.
The birth records name her as Florence Mabel, but names are sometimes recorded in reverse.

by RobBURR3 on 2013-04-19 22:21:46

asheppard, janilye, Tonkin... Thank you guys - I am very impressed and grateful. I am the 7 year old boy mentioned who was hit by the car - I was unconscious for a week and took a long time to recover - my Mother, who had been seriously ill for some years died during the time I was in Hospital. Her name was Alma Blossom (Bonnie) Burr nee King from Wahgunyah Nthn Victoria - I have visited the site of their farm and residence in Corowa. My Sister and I have visited 110 Danks St - 10 years ago - should still be there?? South Melbourne sounds better for Emerald Hill. Thanks again.

by RobBURR3 on 2013-04-21 19:11:33

asheppard, janilye, Tonkin-- reading your info again - thanks again....I certainly have a lot to learn in tracing details and using resources. appreciate your input, Rob

by janilye on 2013-04-22 00:45:15

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