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looking for marriage and death for Jessie Leary nee Irving

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My Jessie Irving born November 1897 parents William McDonald Irving and Georgina nee Gleadell. She had 5 sisters and 2 brothers. Jessie is believed to have been married to a Serviceman name of Leary. They had two children Lillian and Victor. I understand Jessie died in 1975 in Glyndwr, Clwyd, Wales.

I can not trace any marriage for Jessie, her spouse is unknown to me.

I can not trace any birth records for Lillian or Victor.

I can not trace Jessie's death.

This is a long shot, can anyone help by tracing the marriage? This would confirm her husbands name. Any other help would be appreciated.

Regards

Stephen Smith

Surnames: IRVING LEARY
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on 2012-12-01 06:44:51

eastville , from Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England, has been a Family Tree Circles member since May 2011. is researching the following names: BIRCHENOUGH, IRVING, SMITH and 1 other(s).

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by asheppard on 2012-12-02 23:33:06

This is the only Irving/Leary marriage I could find,

Marriages Sep 1940 (>99%)
Irving Alice Leary Carlisle 10b 1751
Leary Robert J Irving Carlisle 10b 1751

in 1941 Robert & Alice had a daughter Ann born Carlisle

Alice is the daughter of John Irving & Margaret Ann Pollock

by eastville on 2012-12-03 07:42:42

Thanks for the response, unfortunately, this is the wrong marriage.

This is becoming a mystery.

I am told that Jessie married as serviceman. I do not know if this was an English man or other nationality. I believe that they married after the war, this would be the first world war, I guess.

Are there any special marriage records for persons married on military bases?

I will have to do some more probing from living relatives.

Regards

Stephen Smith

by janilye on 2012-12-03 09:18:01

If they married during the war and up until the serviceman was discharged, the record of the marriage including a copy of the registration and address of spouse would be submitted to base records. The reason being is that there would be a new next of kin declared and so also the part pay would be allotted to the new wife.

by janilye on 2012-12-03 10:14:47

This is probably not her but the only Jessie Irving I have found.
Born in Manchester in 1897.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Jessie Irving Name: Jessie Irving
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1897
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 224

1901 England Census
about Jessie Irving
Name: Jessie Irving
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Irving b:Liverpool, Occ. Railway Carter
Mother's Name: Georgina Irving b: Manchester
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Ardwick St Silas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Junction St. (chip shop)
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 3677
Folio: 14
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
William Irving 33
Georgina Irving 33
Ada Irving 9
William Irving 7
Jessie Irving 3
Georgina Irving 1
1911 England Census
about Jessie Irving Name: Jessie Irving
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Civil parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Ashton Old Rd Ardwick
Occupation: School
Registration district: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 23724
Household Members: Name Age
William McDonald Irving 41
Gorgina Irving 40
Ada Irving 20
William McDonald Irving 18
Jessie Irving 14
Gorgina Irving 12
Hilda Irving 10
Nellie Irving 8
Lily Irving 6

can't find a marriage to Leary married Charles Henry Goodman in 1920
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Jessie Irving
Name: Jessie Irving
Spouse Surname: Goodman
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 2416

here is her death;
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Jessie Elizabeth Goodman
Name: Jessie Elizabeth Goodman
Birth Date: 23 Dec 1899
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1975
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Glyndwr
Inferred County: Clwyd
Volume: 24
Page: 0463

No mention of the Leary or the children. Do you have any information at all on the 2 children.
What about Lillian and Victor, are they still alive. There may not have been a marriage (now you've got me surmising)
Yes indeed Stephen, bail up the relatives, you can bet one of them will know something.

by janilye on 2012-12-03 10:32:32

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Frederick V Leary Name: Frederick V Leary
Mother's Maiden Surname: Irving
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 353

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Frederick Victor Leary
Name: Frederick Victor Leary
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1924
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1981
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 0971

by eastville on 2012-12-04 07:45:01

Thank you Janilye

You have come up trumps again. There is a deliamna as there is a marriage to a Goodman which matches the death, however, there is a child 4 years later matching surname Leary.

I found the death from Ancestry and I guess the source was not as good as I thought it was. I believe this to be a different Jessie Irving who married Goodman and died in Glyndwr.

I have a realiable source naming the children of Jessie Irving and the find for Frederick Victor looks like it is the match I have been looking for. However, the marriage of Jessie Irving remains a mystery for the time being. I shall now go looking for the other child, Lillian. I believe she is older than Victor.

Thanks again

Stephen Smith

by janilye on 2012-12-04 12:32:00

I think I've looked at every Leary ever born in England between 1920 and 1930 without any luck.
So now I'm onto the marriages, Let's hope Lillian wasn't her second forename like Victor's. Next I'll check deaths using the spousal name. Might be lucky if she's deceased, I'll stick with Lancashire and only show you the probables
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Lillian Leary
Name: Lillian Leary
Spouse Surname: Walker
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 10e
Page Number: 874
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Lilian Leary Name: Lilian Leary
Spouse Surname: Bidston
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 799

by janilye on 2012-12-04 12:50:02

Well if she didn't marry!
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Margaret Lillian Leary
Name: Margaret Lillian Leary
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1921
Date of Registration: Nov 2000
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: C73B
District and Subdistrict: 0061C
Entry number: 164

by janilye on 2012-12-04 13:07:01

I found a marriage in Canada between Jessie Irving and Joseph Leary.
Marriages, 1801-1928
Ontario, Canada Birth, Marriage & Death 1801-1928
PreviewName: Jessie Irving
Marriage County or District: York
Name: Jessie Irving
Spouse: Joseph Leary
Mother: Georgina Gladhill Irving
Father: Wm Mcdonald Irving

by janilye on 2012-12-04 13:10:41

I'll just take a bow ;)

by janilye on 2012-12-04 15:07:47

Joseph Leary was born the last quarter of 1896 in Anscoats Lancashire from what I can gather he lived with his uncle and aunt Joseph LEARY and Hannah LEARY, nee HEATH from at least the age of 4 in Ardwick, Manchester. On his marriage Registration he gives his father's name as Loid[sic]
He Joined the Manchester Regiment in 1915. He was dangerously wounded in France, however recovered then Medically discharged as no longer fit for war, on the 22 May 1918. His home address then was 71 Liverton St., Ardwick.

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Joseph Leary Name: Joseph Leary
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 19
Residence: 30 Blackthorn St, Ardwick Manchester
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 24728
Regiment Name: Manchester Regiment
Number of images: 21
I'll let you go through all his service records. They are not very clear. Most are scraps of paper with blotched and faded ink. 21 pages after that there are other Leary's.

by eastville on 2012-12-09 04:38:56

Wow Janilye I don't know how you do it, but I am glad you can.

I have had a little stroke of luck also.

I have found that Jessie Irving went to St John, New Brunswick, Canada arriving 9 April 1920 on ship Scandivania. I have seen a declaration and believe this may have left Liverpool on 9 December 1919.

Jessie Irving and Joseph Leary married on 12 April 1920. Margaret Lillian Leary was born in 1922.

I have found that both Jessie and Margaret returned to Liverpool on ship Montcalre arriving on 3 May 2924. I can only assume that Joseph returned at a similar time with his regiment.

Frederick was born in 1925

Jessie, Lillian and Frederick returned back to St John, New Brunswick, Canada on ship Montoyal arriving 18 April 1925.

Jessie, Margaret and Frederick return back from Montreal, Quebec to Liverpool on Duchess of Bedford arriving 27 August 1930. Again, there is no record of Joseph returning with them.

by janilye on 2012-12-09 09:18:21

Joseph Leary was discharged from the Toxteth Park Hospital in Liverpool on 22 May 1918. " dangerously wounded, no longer fit for war." If he went to Canada it was under his own steam. Have a look through his service records again, he was granted a pension on the 15 May 1918. The document is from The Ministry of Pensions, Royal Hospital, Chelsea. It also says the pension was up for review. The last document in his file is his discharge. Service No. 24728.

by eastville on 2012-12-10 05:08:00

Janilye

Thanks for the information. I have attempted to view the WWI records, yet again another subscription site.

It is possible that Josephs parents emmigrated to Canada. His father is named as Loid on the transscrip but looking at the original document, it could easily be T or a F instead of the L, when I looked first I thought it was Fred. Similary for the name of mother Ellen Pixton, looking at the record It looks more like Pimpton.

From the information I have gained, Joseph was already in Canada and paid for Jessie Irving fare to sail to Canada in 1920.

Jessie and daughter returned to UK in 1924. Jessie gave birth to Frederick before returning to Canada in 1925. Possible she was pregnant before leaving Canada. Frederick born November 1924, Jessie arrive on 3 May 1924. Likely that Joseph remained in Canada.

Jessie and her two children returned back to UK in 1930. Likely that Joseph remained in Canada.

by janilye on 2012-12-10 09:32:19

The original records are held at the National Archives in Kew. I don't know where you are, I gather you're not close.
I've gathered together 25 documents, the first 15 were available on Ancestry, the further 10 I found quite by accident when I noticed there were no service records and a couple of other documents which should have been in his file. As far as his army medical records, I gather they were sent to the hospital for I see a request for a receipt, I believe they would have been retained by the hospital.
These records are scant and very hard to read. But at least they exist unlike many which were burnt in ww2.
Private message me in here with your email address and I will forward them to you

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