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The Nathan Family History

In 1814 Charles Nathan married Mary Ann Collier in England.

They were quoted as being of Irish descent in the obituary of their son Henry Anthony Nathan.
The family myth has it that Charles had changed his name from Nathaniel OCarroll and was a Catholic who changed his religion to a Methodist. His employer at the time was an Isaac Nathan.

Henry Anthony Nathan was born in London on the 16th August 1816 and married Jane Hearn ( who was born also in London on the 26th June 1813 and christened at St George The Martyr , Southwark ) at St Leonards , Shoreditch , London on 1st August 1831. This church was made famous by the song The bells of St Clements. This would have made Henry Anthony aged 15 and Jane Hearn aged 18 when they married. We dont know whether or not Henry Anthony had any siblings.

Henry Anthony and Jane sailed for New Zealand in the Slains Castle arriving in Wellington on 25th January 1841. They were accompanied by their daughter Jane who was born in London on 4th February 1832 - baptised at St George The Martyr on the 27th April 1836. Henry Anthonys occupation was that of a goldsmith.

In a letter to Rev R Taylor in September 1841 , John Garner , who was appointed by Governor Hobson as Chief Constable at Wanganui , describes their journey on the schooner Surprise from Wellington to Wanganui. Henry Anthony had been made a sergeant and his contribution was described glowingly.

Henry Anthony had a very active business life in Wanganui . He became a member of the first Town Board in 1867 , Municipal Council 1878 and then Mayor of Wanganui from 17th December 1890 to 16th December 1891. Member of the 1st Wanganui Harbour Board.
His business interests included sawmilling and farming and he was a prominent freemason.
The various properties he owned in Wanganui included a farm at Goat Valley , Wicksteed Place , Glasgow Street . The Glasgow property was built in September 1881. One of the properties was destroyed by fire on the 5th December 1899.

Henry Anthony died 11th March 1893 aged 77 years and Jane Hearn died 4th April 1898 at their residence in Glasgow Street , and both are buried together in the Heads Road Cemetery , Wanganui.

Their children were :

Jane born in England on the 11th April 1832 died 1st September 1912 - married James Rapley and then George Ormsby.
Jane and James had four children - Janet , William , Thomas and Mary Ann.




Thomas Wellington born in Wellington on the 8th April 1841 died 2nd March 1909 - married Jane Harris in March 1863 , died 4th December 1871.
Thomas and Jane had two children - Jane Hearn and Mary Brown

Anthony Charles born in Wanganui on 7h April 1843 died (Palmerston North?) 19th October 1933. Possibly the first white baby born in Wanganui.
Married Sarah Ann Kells ( born in 1854 ) in March 1867. A Maori War veteran. First Mayor of Taihape June 1906 - 1912. Was a roading contractor & farmer.
Anthony Charles and Sarah Ann had four children - Alice Maud , Francis Anthony, Ada Winifred , Jane Frances and Norah Margaret


Charles William born in Wanganui on the 10th September 1844 died 18th January 1846. Drowned in the Wanganui River

Joseph Charles born in Wanganui in 1846 died 1933 - married Emma Penfold in March 1868.
Details in The Cyclopedia of New Zealand - Joseph Charles was a councillor in the Palmerston North Borough Council in 1896. Had own road contracting business for 25 years , Vice President of the Manuwatu Racing Club , Past Master of United Manuwatu Lodge.
Joseph Charles and Emma had five children - Charles Joseph & four daughters.
Charles Joseph married Emily Maria Theresa Sutton and they had seven children - Laurence , Mavis & Dulcie , Arthur & Charles , Leo & Dorothy

George born in Wanganui in 1852 died in 1925 - married Mary Connery ( born at Kilkenny Ireland in 1866 ) at Wellington on 10th November 1898.
They had three children Irene (Renee) , Winifred Hearn , Henry George Hearn ( born at Te Awaroa on the East Coast )

William Born in Wanganui in 1853 died at Palmerston North 26th January 1933 - married to Catherine Matheson from Timaru.
They had four children - Eileen , Lorna , Brian William Hearn , Vera

Mary Ann born in Wanganui in 1856 died 24th September 1925 married Thomas Bush and they had three children Charles , George and Ernest

Susan Hearn born in Wanganui in 1858 died 24th October 1930 - married Walter George Coker then Thomas Bush

Winifred born in Wanganui - married James Morey at Wanganui in 1880
They had two children Guy and Arthur.

Norah Margaret Carroll born in Wanganui in 1868 died 8th September 1899 - married William Gardiner Jnr in March 1885

Surnames: NATHAN OCARROLL
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by pamelab on 2008-09-28 00:53:52

I am interested in finding out more about Jane Nathan born London 1832. I have copy of her parents marriage record, and spent much time trying to trace 'Henry' and the O'Carroll story.
Jane N = James Rapley + 5: James c.1856,Thomas Wellington 1858,William 1860,Jane Hearn c.1862, Mary Ann(Polly) 1864. Jane 1:Rapley 2: Ormsbee ran hotels in Wellington from 1886, after for some years runing the Prince of Wales Hotel in Wanganui, also the Waitotara Hotel. Jane Hearn Rapley married Robert Clark Higgie in 1883 and are my maternal great grandparents. I wish to establish also that Jane Nathan was taken and kept by some Maoris at one time - I am guessing it was related to her father arresting the perpetrators of the Gilfillan murders - 1845. If you have any information with regard to these matters please send a note thru this site.

by bertie on 2008-09-28 11:11:51

Uk - if you need help on missing info on the london side you should try adding you request on www.bbbc.co.uk/familyhistory following the link to message board its free and the people are very good finding info you thought you'd never find

by historyhead on 2009-11-13 05:14:26

Hi Pamelab,

I have heard about Jane Nathan being taken by the Maoris but they seemed to think it was when she was a small child - 3 - 5 years old. This does not add up as she was approx 7 when they arrived in New Zealand and 15 years old when the Gilfillan Masacre happened. There is nothing in the old papers (that I have found so far) that has said anything about her being taken, there are stories of other people but not a Nathan kidnapping. Even in her obituary nothing is written of this...the plot thickens but I will keep at it.

Happy hunting.

Historyhead

by stephenwickens on 2010-04-26 01:56:19

Jane Frances Antoinette Nathan (daughter of Anthony Nathan) was my great great grandmother. Her husband, Trayton George Wickens, Photographer of Wellington, died from typhoid in May 1900 at the age of 26, leaving "Nettie" a widow with two young sons - Trayton Lyall Wickens, and John Nimrod Wickens (my grandfather) After Trayton George's death Nettie moved to Blenheim to stay with her older sister Alice Maud Nathan (married name Corry) and then in 1902 married a David Pirani, a newspaper publisher of Palmerston North (later of Cambridge, then a farmer and real estate agent of Auckland) Nettie died about 1906 - family oral history has it that she was in South Africa, although it does seem unlikely that David Pirani was ever in Sth Africa. I understand that Anthony Nathan, by that time Mayor of Taihape, went to South Africa to bring back his grandsons Trayton Lyall Wickens, and John Nimrod Wickens, and that he raised them in Taihape. Certainly my grandfather was in Taihape when he sat the Public Service Entrance Exam in 1914, or thereabouts. Does anyone know anything about the circumstances of Netties departure to Africa, or of Anthony Nathan's journey to rescue his grandsons? Stephen Wickens wickens@farmside.co.nz

by SharonR on 2010-05-08 03:01:43

Jane Hearne Nathan & Henry Nathan are my maternal g g g grandparents. 1 of their sons is my gg grandfather Joseph Charles Nathan b in Wanganui 1846 married Emma Penfold in March 1868 Emma Died in 1889 and I believe he then Married Emma Penfolds sister Elizabeth Penfold. Joseph Charles died on 5 Jan 1908. Emma & Joseph had 5 children. (1 son 4 daughters?)
My great grandmother is the youngest child. Mabel Gertrude Nathan B 4/10/1881 & married John Francis Perry in 1906 & they had 3 daughters Emma Nathan Perry (my grandmother), Rona Perry & Frances Pascoe Perry.
I'd really like to know who the all the children of Emma Penfold & Joseph Charles Nathan are.
I am quite sure that Amy Beatrice Nathan b 1876 is a daughter.
I not certain but think I'm on the right track with
Charles Joseph Nathan b 11 Sep 1869 & d 1933 being the one son.
So that leaves me with 2 other daughters....that I can't find record of names. The only clue is on JC Nathans death Cert their ages were 37 & 34 in 1908.
Sharon Rabone

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