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Looking for Olver's from Cornwall/Devonshire

Journal by charzycat

I am looking for any information on the family of John Hodge Olver and his wife Rebecca both lived in Bere Alston Devonshire. There son Thomas Hodge Olver migrated to Australia with two of his sons followed later by his second wife Jane Trewhalla nee Robins and youngest son. They lived in the Daylesford/Hepburn area in Victoria Australia. He also had several other children who remained in Devon and did not migrate. Any information about this family would be fantastic, Thomas Hodge Olver was born at St Martin By Looee in Cornwall so possibly there is other relatives living there. They immigrated around 1880's. Can you Help

Regards, charzycat

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on 2006-06-26 08:12:36

charzycat , from Australia, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Nov 2005. is researching the following names: VICKERS, MULLER, NITSCHKE and 8 other(s).

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by allycat on 2006-06-26 08:27:52

Dear Charzycat, G'day. Can you expand your journal to include information on possible years to help refine search?

Al, SE Qld Australia.

by allycat on 2006-06-26 09:04:05

Dear Charzycat, This is definitely your ancestor then, goto surname wiki page for link to First Families 2001 Project - Victoria, Australia:-

First Family Member Details
Surname: OLVER
Given Name(s): Thomas Hodge
Occupation(s): labourer, farmer, miner, baker, dairyman

Birth Details
Birth Town: St Martin by Looe
Birth County,
Region, Province: Cornwall
Birth Country: England
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1798

Death Details
Death Town: Daylesford
Death State/Territory: Victoria
Death Country: Australia
Death Date: 20 Sep 1886

Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed: unknown
Ship/Plane: unknown
Year Arrived: 1858/9

Surname: STRIKE
Given Name(s): Mary Ann
Occupation(s): unknown

Birth Details
Birth Town: Bere Ferrers
Birth County,
Region, Province: Devon
Birth Country: England
Birth Date: 1805

Death Details
Death Town: Bere Alston
Death State/Territory: Devon
Death Country: England
Death Date: 20 Jun 1854

Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed: did not migrate
Ship/Plane: n/a
Year Arrived: n/a


Family Stories

Life in Australia:

Not having migrated to Australia simultaneously, Thomas Hodge OLVER, his second wife Jane and his three sons Thomas, William and Samuel ultimately were re-united in 1862 when they settled together at Hepburn, Victoria.

Previously, Thomas, and/or his eldest son, had purchased three-and-a-half acres of Crown land in Hepburn on 31st August, 1861.

There is some uncertainty currently whether father or son - both named 'Thomas Hodge' - purchased the land. On the maps of the Department of Lands & Survey, Melbourne, the purchaser is identified only as "T.H. Oliver".

The land comprised two adjacent blocks on the south-western rim of Doctors Gully above its junction with Spring Creek, on the north-west side of today's Frame Street, near the remains of the old swing bridge across the gully. Earliest Rate Books (1871-75) show that the family developed two dwellings on the land, variously assessed to have had net values of between six and eight pounds each, with annual rates of between six and eight shillings each. Included in these assessments was a garden.

However, it appears that the Olvers were not the first occupiers of the smaller of their two blocks.

An 1857 "Crown Lands Office Melbourne" survey map of "Building Allotments at SPRING CREEK HEPBURN" shows that one "Thos Newman" had established a house and a blacksmith's shop on the land. It is not known by this researcher why it was not Newman who later purchased the Crown Grant.

Thomas OLVER snr died in the Daylesford Hospital on Monday, 20th September, 1886, the death register recording that he was eighty-eight years old and had been "30 years in Victoria". Eldest son Thomas was the informant.

The death of Thomas snr (identified as "Thomas Oliver") was barely noted by the board of the Daylesford Hospital when it failed to achieve a quorum at its September 1886 meeting! The following quaint item appeared in 'The Daylesford Advocate' on Saturday, 25th September of that year:- "The house committee of the hospital should have met on Thursday, but only Mr Jamieson (treasurer) was present. The medical officer's report was as follows:- ...... 2 had died during the week ...... Thomas Oliver, aged 88, native of England, who has been an inmate for four years and nine months; cause of death, rupture ......" (Thomas' fellow departee was eighty-three years old Giovanni Barboni.)

Prior to this snippet, however, the 'Advocate' had reported, on Thursday, 23rd September, that "Another old identity has joined the great majority. We allude to Mr Thomas Oliver, who died on Tuesday at the Daylesford Hospital, which had been his abode for the last five years. Deceased in his early days used to sell milk in Daylesford. He was a native of England, and at the time of his death was 88 years of age."

A day later, 'The Daylesford Herald' wrote "Another old hospital patient passed away on Wednesday. 'Uncle Tom' otherwise Tom Olver, a hardy old Englishman of 88 years. Olver used to 'ride a horse and two milk cans' in the earlier days of the town but latterly he acted as messenger at the hospital which he could do well, being exceedingly active for his years. In his youth he was a great wrestler."

Thomas snr's death registration states that, aged fifty-five, he had married "a widow named Jane Wheeler" - the registrar's mishearing of a south-west English-accented 'Trewhala', no doubt - at Plymouth.

Jane OLVER, formerly TREWHALA (nee ROBINS) died at Daylesford on 25th August, 1866, having lived in the Colony of Victoria not four-and-a-half years. A study of the relevant dates shows that she and Thomas had spent fifty-four of their one hundred and thirty-three months of marriage separated by half the globe as the family migrated to Australia in stages.

Thus the athletic patriarch Thomas, 68, twice a widower, embarked solo on what were to be the concluding twenty years of his life, during which he witnessed the steady growth of his antipodean family. At the time of his death in 1886, he had seventeen colonial grandchildren, the eldest being another Thomas Hodge OLVER, aged twenty-five.

Back in August 1866, however, when Jane died, Thomas' sons Thomas, 37, had been married less than five years, William, 28, was destined to be a life-long bachelor and Samuel, 26, well may have had an eye for John and Lydia WILKINSON's young daughter Emma, who he eventually married in October, 1867.

Thomas Hodge OLVER jnr married Elizabeth GEYSEL at Daylesford on 20th December, 1861. Thomas' and Elizabeth's marriage registration records that (i) Thomas was a twenty-five years old labourer - a reduction of seven years on his true age - who resided at the Old Race Course, Hepburn, (ii) he was a member of the Church of England, born in "Bieralston", Devon, England, (iii) Elizabeth resided at Jim Crow Creek and was a twenty years old servant, (iv) she was a member of the Lutheran Church, born in Frankfurt, Germany, (v) the ceremony was conducted in a private house in Daylesford "According to the rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England & Ireland", (vi) "Elizabeth Geysel was married with the written consent of James Daly Esq the Justice of the Peace appointed to give consent to the marriage of minors within the provisions of the Act 22 Vic. 70 which written consent was handed to me previous to the Ceremony." - Officiating Minister Pryce, (vii) whilst the officiating minister spelt Elizabeth's surname as "Geysel", her signature appears to spell it "Guiysal", (viii) Elizabeth's parents were John GEYSEL, mason, and Catherine YOUNG - 'Jung' anglicised, perhaps, (ix) Witnesses were "John Barnfather" and "Charlotte Pryce".

Born on 22nd July, 1829, Thomas jnr died at Hepburn on 11th April, 1898. He is buried in the same Daylesford Cemetery grave as his father. His wife Elizabeth died at Brunswick on 22nd May, 1927.

William OLVER remained unmarried. Born at Bere Alston on 5th December, 1837, he died at Hepburn on 26th December, 1902, following a fall into Breakneck Gorge.

Samuel Hodge OLVER married twice, firstly to Emma WILKINSON at Daylesford on 3rd October, 1867 and, secondly, to Mary Anne UNDERDOWN at Daylesford on 8th July, 1883. (Note:- Mary Anne UNDERDOWN appears elsewhere in the FF2001 database. As 'Mary Ann OLVER', she is listed on the page of her grandparents William MERRITT and Mary Ann HOLLIS.)

On 12th October, 1877, Samuel (identified as "S.H. Oliver") purchased an irregularly shaped nine-acre block of Crown land adjacent (north-west) to those of his brother and father. This meant that the Olver family held a relatively large block on the rim of Doctors Gully between today's Fourteenth and Frame Streets, Hepburn.

Born at Bere Alston on 8th March, 1840, Samuel died at Hepburn on 14th April, 1892. (Note:- Samuel's date of birth stated here is quoted from the General Register Office, England and differs from that stated in the family Prayer Book quoted in 'Life Before Australia' below.)

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by charzycat on 2006-06-26 09:27:32

thankyou yes this is my family however trying to go further back

regards Charzycat

by allycat on 2006-06-26 09:41:56

Dear Charzycat, wow I'm impressed. It must be so wonderful to have all that info already.

QUESTION: Have you gone through all the Census years back to 1841 at least? If not, ask me how.

If you have already done this, the best I can suggest is putting your family tree on-line at one of the reputable sites out there, e.g. TribalPages, Genesreunited, Geneanet, RootsWeb, for instance, and hope that you come into contact with other family historians/genealogists.

by allycat on 2006-06-26 09:48:39

Also try posting a message at the genforums for each of your surnames http://www.genforum.genealogy.com/ ...insert surname here

AND

Rootschat One Name Interests Common Room ... N to S
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,139.0.html

AND also goto the Cornwall Board

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,7.0.html

Al.

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