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Query by Ledeux

Can anyone help? Interested in Cowling, ( My mobther's maiden name was Cowling). Her name, Jennie Hunter Philp nee Cowling. Philp, my grandfather's name, George Arthur Philp. He had some connection with Hackney and Islington. Getting interesting info about the Wherly family, ( my Nana, Constance Isabella's maiden name). She married George Arthur Philp, who later committed bigamy after fathering four OR FIVE children!!!!

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on 2012-06-18 14:15:40

Ledeux , from Bracknell, Berkshire but born South Shields, was Co. Durham now Tyne and Wear, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Jun 2012.

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by SilverVixen on 2012-06-23 12:05:41

Jennie shows up in the 1911 census living at 4 Dareth Street Tyne Dock South Shields.
Jane Elizabeth,Wife, 35 (1876) born Tyne Dock, Durham
Robert Crawford, son, 16 (1895) a Miner Trapper, born Tyne dock
Gladys S May, daughter, 12 (1899), School, Tyne Dock
John, son, 8 (1903) School, Tyne dock
Watson, son, 4 (1907) Tune Dock
Jennie Hunter, 2 (1909) Tyne Dock
Lisie, son, 4 months (1911) Tyne Dock
Thomasina Carwford Cook, servant single, 19 (1892) Tyne Dock

Samuel Watson Cowling married Jane Elizabeth Crawford, South Shields, Durham, 1894 Q3 10A 934

1881 UK Census for Samuel Watson Cowling living at 22 N E Co HousesGreen Lane Harton Durham
John Cowling, head, 25 (1856) Railway Guard N E, born Monkwearmouth, Durham
Elizabeth A, wife, 24 (1857) Brockley Whins, Durham
Samuel W, son, 4 (1877) Scholar, Tyne Dock
George, son, 1 ( 1880) Tyne Dock
Ethel, daughter, 0 (1881) Green Lane, Durham
Sarah Watson, mother-in-Law, widow, 55 (1826) Tadcaster, Yorkshire
Ellen Watson, sister, single, 23 ( 1858) Tadcaster, Yorkshire

John Cowling married Elizabeth Ann Watson, Sunderland, Durham, 1875 Q4, 10A 903

by Ledeux on 2012-06-23 15:24:25

Thank you once again for your invaluable information. I imagine that the reason that Samuel Watson Cowling did not appear in the 1911 census is that he was away at sea. He was a Chief Engineer. I would like to know more about his connection with Ernest Shackleton, the famous explorer and how his ship brought the body back.

by asheppard on 2012-06-23 19:10:33

The information that SilverVixen listed was posted on your original post on 2012.06.21 at 20:05:15 along with other details for Jennie & Samuel as well as for George Arthur Philp

by asheppard on 2012-06-23 19:16:28

Previous details supplied for Wherly family

Your Grandfather and your Great Grandfather had the same name.

Also looks like Silvester Stevenson Wherly was your grandmothers brother and not a cousin.

I found some other details that might interest you

1881 Census

Household Members: 22 ? House (hard to read)
Name Age
Silvester G. Wherly Head,41 b1840 Tynemouth Commercial Traveller
Isabella M. Wherly wife,44 b1837 Darlington Durham
>>>>Constance I. Wherly daug, 9 b1872 Tynemouth (your Grandmother)
Agnes M. Wherly daug,4 b1877 Tynemouth
John S. Wherly son, 12months b1880 Tynemouth
Charles W.S. Goodger stepson,23 b1858 Midlesborough Yorkshire Solicitor in Practice

A Copy of Constance birth certificate will give you more details.
Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
Wherly Constance Isabella Tynemouth 10b 186

Marriage for Silvester & Isabella

Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%)
GOODGER Isabella Margaret Stockton 10a 46
Wherly Silvester Gregory Stockton 10a 46

Okay I found the family in the 1871 Census transcription error

Household Members: 6 Lavaine Row
Name Age
Siwerster Gregory Wherly Head 31 b North Sheilds - Merchant
Isabella Margaret Warley wife 32 b Darlington Durham
Charles W S Goodger stepson 13 b Middlesborough
**Silverston S Wherley son 11 Months b Tynemouth
Jane A Charlton ????, unmarried 21 b Tweedmouth
Florence Mesenson, niece 11 b Middlesborough

Has been transcribed incorrectly and corrections have been requested.

Silvester Stevenson Wherly b1870 missing from 1881 is visiting with Elizabeth Douglas and her son Fred C S Douglas b1870 at 10 North Terrace Newcastle on Tyne

**Silvester Stevenson Wherly later became an Architect he is your Grandmother Constance's brother therefore your Great Uncle.

There is also another son
Silvester Gregory born and died 1869

Births Mar 1869 (>99%)
Wherly Silvester Gregory Newcastle T. 10b 62
Deaths Mar 1869 (>99%)
Wherly Silvester Gregory 0 Newcastle T. 10b 45

This is Charles Birth
Births Sep 1857 (>99%)
GOODGER Charles William Swainston Stockton 10a 36

a copy of this will give you more details

Possibly Isabella's first marriage

Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)
GOODGER John Swainston Stockton 10a 74
STEVENSON Isabella Margaret Stockton 10a 74

According to 1851 & 1861 Census John was a Solicitor his mother listed as Mary

In 1861 John was a patient in hospital listed as Solicitor b Middlesborough York.

In 1861 Isabella and young George were living with her parents
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Stevenson head 59 born Scotland - ??Proprietor of Houses
Miriam Stevenson wife 59 born Hutton Yorkshire
Isabella M Goodger daug 24 born Darlington Durham wife of a Solicitor
Charles W Goodger grandson 3 born Middlesborough Yorkshire

John Swainston Goodger's Death
Deaths Jun 1862 (>99%)
GOODGER John Swanston York 9d 4 (reads Swainston)

1851 Census for Silvester Gregory Wherly b1840 (grandfather)

Household Members:
Name Age
Silvester Wherley Head, 39 b1812 Germany Watchmaker & Jeweller
Sarah Wherley wife 33 b1818 Bowes Yorkshire
Silvester Wherley son 12 b1839 North Shields, Northumberland
George A Wherley son 9 b1842 South Shields, Durham
Thomas R Wherley son 7 b1844 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Leo P Wherley son 5 b1846 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Andrew W Wherley son 3 b1848 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Mary A Wherley daug 3 b1848 Bishop Auckland, Durham

1861 Census
Household Members: North Terrace
Name Age
Silvester Wherley head 48 b181s Germany Clock & Watchmaker
Mongana Wherley daug 11 b1850 Durham, Crook (possibly Mary Ann from 1851)
Jonep Wherley son 5 b1856 Durham, Cook

Birth for Silvester Gregory Wherly
Births Jun 1839 (>99%)
Wherly Silvester Gregory Tynemouth 25 430

and his Death
Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
WHERLY Silvester Gregory 45 Tynemouth 10b 140

Probate Will of Sylvester Gregory Wherly on 23 May 1916
death 23 August 1884 Southend House Tynemouth
To Isabella Margaret Wherly widow 82 Pounds

There is a possibility that the Felix Wherly that SilverVixen found may be Silvester (your great Grandfathers) brother as they are both Watch, Clock and Jewellery makers and both from Germany, another avenue to investigate.

The information I found is available on Ancestry and the BMD is available through freebmd.org.uk this site is free to search, there is also some available on familysearch.org

it may be helpful to post some of the information that I have given once you have verified the family connections through the Birth Deaths & Marriage certificates.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-24 03:23:00

Thank you so much. I will try to verify. I appreciate your help. I wish I had more time. I am learning Mandarin Chinese which takes a lot of time.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-24 18:07:28

Trying to access message from edmondsallan but proving difficult. Still would like information on grandfather, Samuel Watson Cowling and his connection with the retrieval of Ernest Shackleton's body and the S.S Glenmorvan.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-24 18:27:18

Help! Where is message from edmondsallan sent to me today, June 24th. Can't get it.

by ALV on 2012-06-25 04:15:42

If edmondsallen has sent you a private message go to YOUR home page; it is up in the top left hand corner between your username and log out.

by jonknox on 2014-07-04 13:49:25

Not sure if this helps, but IRO your islington/hackney connection: there was a Samuel Cowling who was a shoe maker in Hackney - he is buried in St John Hackney churchyard probably 1830-1850.

by Ledeux on 2014-07-15 10:41:08

Wow!! That is amazing as there appears to be a connection between the Cowling's, my mother's side of the family and the Philp side, my father"s jside as I was told that my grandfather, George Philp, was born in Islington and died in Hackney. Therefore the Philp family appear top have some connection to the Cowling's. Intriguing!

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