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by asheppard on 2011-12-20 20:14:05

It looks like Joshua SUGDEN & Ellen REYNOLDS had 11 children all born Preston

Thomas b1882
Albert Reynolds b1886
Sarah Jane b1888
Bertha b1891
William b1893
Joshua b1895
Joseph b1896
Ellen b1898
Richard b1901
Ada b1902
Harold b1905

Joshua & Ellen were Married in 1881 Preston.

1911 England Census

Street Address: 32 Brixton Rd Preston
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cloy Iron Maker
Registration district: Preston
Registration District Number: 476
Sub-registration district: East Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 25258
Household Members:
Name Age
Joshua Sugden 52
Ellen Sugden 49
Albert Reynold Sugden 24
Sarah Jane Sugden 22
Bertha Sugden 20
William Sugden 17
Joshua Sugden 16
Joseph Sugden 14
Ellen Sugden 13
Ada Sugden 8
Harold Sugden 6

It looks like Richard may have died, there is a death for Richard SUGDEN in 1903 Preston aged 2.

On 1891 Census Joshua SUDGEN (instead of SUGDEN) 5 Trower Street Preston, with wife Ellen and children Thomas, Albert, Sarah & Bertha.

On 1901 Census Joshua SUGDEN 17 James Street Preston with wife Ellen and children Albert, Sarah, Bertha, William, Joshua, Joseph, Ellen and Richard - Thomas living elsewhere.

On 1911 Census Joshua SUDGEN 32 Brixton Road Preston - No sign of Richard b1901 image states 10 children living 1 deceased.

I found a Thomas SUGDEN b1883 Preston on 1911 Census living at 34 Talbot Street Oldham, married 2 years wife Sally, son Thomas Reynolds aged 2 has been crossed out but still says 1 child living, none deceased.
I found Thomas Reynolds SUGDEN with his grandparents Luke & Martha Ann HAMPSON at 36 Herbert Street, Watershedding, Oldham.

There is a birth for Thomas Reynolds SUDGEN in 1909 Oldham and a marriage for Sally HAMPSON and Thomas SUGDEN in 1908 Oldham.

It looks like the one deceased child on the 1911 for Joshua and Ellen is Richard b1901 and died 1903.

BMD is showing 2 Richard SUGDEN'S born 1901, one in Preston presumably to Joshua & Ellen and the other Richard Lee SUGDEN born Oldham.

On the 1911 Census Richard Lee SUGDEN is the only Richard SUGDEN I could find and he is living with his parents Richard Lee & Jane SUGDEN at Werneth Oldham, 6 children all living, 5 living with them including Richard.

by blondyliz on 2011-12-27 00:32:40

hi thanks for yr info i have some of that and think i must be on the wrong track my dad was joseph william sidney sugden born 30 march 1921 died 2001 aged 80 ,and his dad was richard sugden my dads mum died when he was young and her name was eliazbeth he was brought up by his gran elizabeth standing in bootle gower street liverpool my dad said she lived until at least a 100 and was born 1861 thats all i have to go on thanks for your help

by asheppard on 2011-12-27 18:33:09

Do you have your fathers Birth Certificate?

Your fathers mothers name was Daisy Elizabeth Standing

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)

Standing Daisy E Sugden W. Derby 8b 490
Sugden Richard Standing W.Derby 8b 490

This is her Death
Deaths Sep 1928 (>99%)
Sugden Daisy E 34 W.Derby 8b 400

If you purchase the marriage for Daisy & Richard it will confirm their parents names for you and also give you Richards age at time of marriage and give you more clues on Richards family.

This could be Daisy's birth

Births Dec 1895 (>99%)
Standing Daisy Elizabeth Wigan 8c 164

Daisy's birth certificate will give you information on her parents.

Daisy's parents are William & Elizabeth

1911 for Daisy
1911 England Census about Daisy Elizabeth Standing
Name: Daisy Elizabeth Standing
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Ashton in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 371 Old Road Ashton In Makerfield
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cotton Winder
Registration district: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration district: Ashton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 23099
Household Members:
Name Age
William Standing 49 Coal Miner born Liverpool (on 1901 born Cheshire)
Elizabeth Standing 39 born Runcorn (on 1901 born Wigan)
Daisy Elizabeth Standing 15 Cotton Winder
Atherton Jukes Amsworth 26 Boarder (was also with them in 1901 Census)

by asheppard on 2011-12-27 19:00:07

Looks like your father Joseph had a sister

Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
Sugden Joyce Standing W.Derby 8b 784

did your grandfather Richard Sugden remarry after Daisy Elizabeths death?

There is this marriage
Marriages Sep 1931 (>99%)

McArthur Dorothy Sugden W.Derby 8b 827
Sugden Richard McArthur W.Derby 8b 827

you will need to purchase the certificates to verify all the details and match them up, the best one to start with would be your father Joseph's and his mother & fathers marriage certificate and work from there, the marriage certificate will give you an approximate age for your Grandfather Richard - this will save you searching the wrong family line.

If the marriage to Dorthy is correct then there are three other siblings to Joseph & Joyce.
William 1932 W. Derby, Richard 1933 W Derby & Dorothy 1939 Liverpool

by asheppard on 2011-12-27 19:47:59

I found the Parish record for Richard & Daisy

26 Dec 1919 in the Parish of St. Leonard in County of Bootle
Name: Richard Sugden (Bachelor, Occupation Seaman)
Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 29
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1919
Parish: Bootle St Leonard
Spouse's Name: Dairy Elizabeth Standing (Age 25 Spinster)
Father's Name: Joseph Sugden (Bricklayer)
Spouse Father's Name: William Standing (Labourer)

Witnesses George Clayton & Dorothy Simpson

This could possibly be Richard in 1911 Census
1911 England Census about Richard Sugden
Name: Richard Sugden
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Crew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Piece: 22483

Richard was born abt 1890 and it looks like Leeds Yorkshire and not Preston Lancashire.

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Sugden Richard Bramley 9b 374

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Sugden Richard Bradford, Y. 9b 10

Could be either one of these two. I think probably the fist one

Possibly him in 1901 with brothers William & Joseph
1901 England Census about Richard Sugden
Name: Richard Sugden
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Newtown St John the Baptist
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: School - (run by Robert & Catherine Ann Staucliffe)

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: Leeds Union Yorkshire

William Sugden 12
>>>>>>Richard Sugden 10
Joseph Sugden 6

there are a few pages of students (inmates)

Possibly him in 1891
1891 England Census about Richard Sugden
Name: Richard Sugden
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joe Sugden
Mother's name: Henrietta Sugden
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Wortley
Ecclesiastical parish: Wortley de Leeds St Johns
Town: Gildersome
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: No.1 Cliff Lane Yard

Registration district: Bramley
Sub-registration district: Wortley [Near Leeds]
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3676
Folio: 19
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Joe Sugden 29 General Labourer
Henrietta Sugden 24
William Sugden 3
Louisa Sugden 2
>>>>>Richard Sugden 1

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