janilye - 7th generation, Convict stock. Born in New South Wales now living in Victoria, carrying, with pride 'The Birthstain'.
As A Footnote to this story. Martha's nephew Alexander Newland LEE the son of Martha's older sister Ellen and Joseph Lee was hanged in Adelaide gaol on the 15 July 1920 for poisoning his wife Muriel and their three children ages 6, 5 and 3. Muriel and her three children are buried at Riverton Cemetery but Muriel's married name is not shown on the headstone.
Goodness! What a terrible story.
I'm researching Martha Needle's mother who was born May NEWLANDS in 1834 she died as May FORAN in 1906.
Any help on her beginnings will be much appreciated.
Mary/May Newland/Newlands could have been born as late as 1837. She stated in the court in 1900 that she was 63, However! she wasn't reliable.
Can any South Australian tell me what she mean't by "I am a Highland woman" Do you think she may have been refering to the Eyre Peninsular?
I'm clutching at anything to try and find a birth date and place for this woman.
Any help gratefully appreciated
A couple of corrections. Otto Johann Wilhelm Juncken (my grandfather) changed the spelling of his name to "Yuncken" about the time of the First World War but the South Australian Junckens generally still retain the original spelling. Otto had five, not four, brothers (Herman, Louis, Charles, Franz Thomas and Albert) and three sisters (Augusta Amalia, Emma Louisa and Anna Ellen). Their father emigrated from Schleswig in 1855, then a duchy of Denmark though predominantly German-speaking. Their mother emigrated from Mitchelstown, County Cork, in Ireland at about the same time.
There is a lot of information on the Martha Needle trial from the Melbourne Argus and the Adelaide Advertiser at www.trove.nla.gov.au . The whole Needle affair was definitely a "no-go" are in my father's generation!
Dear Andy Y, Thank you for your information re the Yunken family, I have very little knowlege of this family, apart from what was written in the newspapers.
Because the above story was taken from Newspaper accounts during the trial, I purposely left the name as printed at that time.
I found this a fascinating journal, and wondered if anyone know more about James Hall and Mary nee Charles who lived at Hoyleton SA. Elizabeth Glanville Parry nee Hall was living with her husband John Parry at Hoyleton around 1880.
The parents of Elizabeth Glanville Hall 1844-1923 who married John PARRY was James HALL b; 21 May 1797 in Honiton, Devon, England and died 3 November 1868 at Hope Valley, South Australia and his wife Elizabeth GLANVILLE b: 16 January 1807 in Devon, England and died 17 April 1882 in Hope Valley, South Australia.
James Hall who married Mary Charles was born in Leek, Staffordshire, England in 1852 and died in Kooringa, South Australia in 1910. His father was Richard HALL born in Langford, Oxfordshire in 1816 and died in Yacka, South Australia on 14 February 1887 and the mother was Ellenor BURGESS born in cheshire in 1820 and died at Balaclava on the 25 October 1900.
These two 'HALL' families were not related.
Thankyou janilye for your prompt update. I believed that Elizabeth Glanville Hall also had a brother James, and as she and her family were in the Hoyleton area for a period of time, thought there may have been a match here. Can you tell me if the James Hall who married Mary Charles was the Bootmaker/Shoemaker listed at Hoyleton. You see in the Hope Valley area, there were two James Hall. Elizabeth & John Parry were married in the dwelling place of James Hall Snr. in 1863.
I haven't done a lot of research into James for my interest is in Mary Charles's mother, but yes James was a bootmaker in Hoylton in 1874.
He came to South Australia with his family in 1853. He married Mary Charles on 22 March 1874 at the house of Rev.James Haslam of Auburn. The Witnesses at the wedding were Charles Overall a farmer of Hoyleton and James' sister Ellenor Hall of Auburn. At the time of the marriage James was living at Hoyleton. He then moved to Auburn and after Mintaro. He died in the Burra hospital on 25 March 1910. He's buried in the Burra Cemetery.
Going by the births of his children, he was in Hoyleton till after his 7th child was born in 1887. So that's a fair while.
Your James Hall would have been about 50 then.
I was trying to find how i can get in contact with Andy, as Otto wilhelm was your gradfather and my great great grandfather, my grandfather was francis fredrick eugene juncen born 1911 died 1997 he was the son of christian johann walter juncken born 1875 died 1962 in tanunda sa his father was fredrick willm hermann uncken born 1829 in birkenmoor schleswig-holstein arrived in australia 1857 died 1915 his father was otto karl ludwig juncken....dates unknon
Hello hypomum, I'm not related. Just click on Andy_Y then 'contact' and send him a message.
Martha Needle is the sister to my great great grandmother Ellen Lee (nee Charles) the info I have on their mother May Newland is
Born c1835 Dundee Angas
died 2 Nov 1906 Royal Adelaide hospital
buried 5 Nov 1906 West Terrace Cemetery - No headstone
her father is Duncan Newland
West Terrace Cemetery details
Name: Foran, Mary
Date of Death: 05 November 1906
Service Type: Burial
Cemetery: West Terrace Cemetery
Section: Road 5 Extension
Row Number: L
Site Number: 4
I have a photo of the house in Cubitt Street in Richmond, that she lived in. It was my family home. If you are interested let me know.
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